International Russia vs Ukraine Combat Megathread vol 4

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

im freaked out because putin threatened nuclear freaking war. im tired of people saying its because these people are white.....

I try and ignore those people but it really grinds my gears. I mean absolutely there is blatant hypocrisy from the political class on this conflict but these dregs pushing this far right Idpol nonsense could not be further from the truth if they tried. The Syrian conflict was heavily reported, the atrocities civilians faced was heavily reported. All I saw (for the most part) was a outpouring of sympathy for what they faced. Syrian refugees were taken in en masse. Now we have these morons preaching from their mansions that “no one cared about the Syrian refugees, they only care about white Ukrainians”. If only we could run our cars and heat our homes with the bullshit they produce.

 

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This guy gives great insight to this conflict and gives us the Russian perspective on his channel. Really enjoy his videos.

 

[Phlog]

There's small extremists groups in virtually every country.

And sometimes not so small, but I agree with your assessment, and I think that means whether their are Nazis somewhere or not makes no difference to the validity of this invasion.

Similarly the invasion of Afghanistan because of "terrorism" or Iraq because of "WMDs" were unacceptable losses of life for dubious or no advantage. I put this in in case of any pro Russian whataboutism, rather than to engage in discussion of said wars merits.

 

[Repsac]

Well if look on

Vladimir Putin in KGB uniform - Vladimir Putin - Wikipedia

Putin probably fancies himself a soldier because he was in the KGB and wore a uniform.

In reality, he sat behind a desk most of the time.

At least Hitler had the courage to fight on the front lines himself during WW1.

Putin is a bigger coward than Hitler.

 

[Repsac]

People who believe in the 10k number believe in fairy tales.

10k casualties, not deaths.
A lot has been simply wounded, captured, fled, switched sides etc.
~10k seems realistic if 2-4k deaths.

 

[Karelinator]

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Legendary Polish healthcare will surely handle it like a dream.

 

[Deleted member 555403]

Out of interest as a thought experiment, if the Ukrainian people do have neonazis among them, as do the Russians, does that change anything?

Cos people in that part of the world be like that, and it seems to be more a popular ideology these days. I am into historical European martial arts, some pagan/Viking stuff and I but up against that ideology every so often.

yes it changes the analysis. There should have been more willingness to avoid conflict and neutralize the situation

Nationalism in that part of the world is different from what westerners are used to, but these groups are always going to be the ones who grab any power vacuum that pops up in the chaos. They're the ones who locals will start looking to the longer this is drawn out, they will have the most inflammatory/nationalist rhetoric, willing to take the most extreme measure to fight against the invading force, and their numbers will grow. I see this situation as another in a long line of the US backing the reactionary force in a region, either directly or indirectly, feeding them weapons, steering the situation into conflict.

 

[PEB]

It's a good idea for everyone to get ready in case. I think the UK and US will be the first to get hit though. Canada getting their ducks in a row if that's what it was isn't a terrible idea.

It's not apparently they run combat drills up in western Canada not far from Alberta province every March. It is called Maple leaf drills or something. Though the tanks where heading eastward leading to speculation they were being put on a boat.

 

[PEB]

Putin probably fancies himself a soldier because he was in the KGB and wore a uniform.

In reality, he sat behind a desk most of the time.

At least Hitler had the courage to fight on the front lines himself during WW1.

Putin is a bigger coward than Hitler.

Putin is full of himself an surrounded by a bunch of yes men.

 

[mkess101]

This guy gives great insight to this conflict and gives us the Russian perspective on his channel. Really enjoy his videos.

I went in with an open mind, but LMFAO that this Brit is giving "the Russian" perspective. Unless by "the Russian" you mean "the Kremlin's" or even more specifically "Putin's". He's a mouthpiece for Vlad. Really sold that the Nazis were in fact running the Ukrainian government...just wow.

I have business relationships with a lot of Russian nationals, some are good friends. They have family back home. They have a much different perspective on this war, and I'll take their views as more representative of the Russian populace than this joker.

But...I bet you do enjoy his videos, absolutely no surprise there. Carry on, bud.

 

[Dexter]

I'm not sure what everyone will say. I believe there's a sliding scale of goals and the whole of Ukraine seems out of reach now due to operational logistics failure radicalising the population.

If you think the chechens were trouble, watch this space for what the Ukrainians will do.



Friendly fire in a warzone on a military aircraft that is basically the same hardware as the enemy is one thing.

Blowing up a huge civilian aircraft that is broadcasting its location is worse by an order of magnitude. Separatists, with top flight military hardware that needs logistical support.. what you're talking about there is Russian military attacking obvious civilians, a hideous fuck up for sure.

Hmm, since when Romanian aerospace became a part of a war zone?

 

[PEB]

The military drooling over having 30,000 satellites in space for redundant communication operations around the globe. Elon talking about shuttling the possibility 120 tons at a time 2 times a day. The new raptor rocket engine for the SpaceX Starship while providing 2.9 mega newton's of thrust each.

The most amazing thing it has twice the power an uses 1/3rd the parts to make vs Merlin engines an 1/5 the price each. Making it theoretically possible for 2 million per launch an a 2 hour turn around. Using the same rocket engines seriously the military applications of space could be huge an nuclear payloads of 100's of warheads is possible scary stuff. These small nukes could be setup to take out smaller more targeted areas like Command an control an resupply areas.

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Dickinson: A proliferated architecture can provide 'redundancy and capability'
WASHINGTON — U.S. Space Command has been impressed by SpaceX’s ability to provide internet access in war-torn parts of Ukraine, the head of the command told lawmakers March 8.

“What we’re seeing with Elon Musk and the Starlink capabilities is really showing us what a megaconstellation or a proliferated architecture can provide in terms of redundancy and capability,” Gen. James Dickinson, commander of U.S. Space Command, said during a hearing the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Dickinson’s comments were in response to questions from Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who noted that Starlink’s ability to deliver communications from space over Ukraine is “positive news” and also an example of “private actors in space entering into contested environments.”

“Russia has been trying to jam the signals and block coverage, and that’s made me wonder,” Kaine said. He asked Dickinson if there is a “legal framework” for U.S. commercial space companies that become involved in contested situations.

“We do look at that, senator,” said Dickinson. “We work very closely in our commercial integration cell on that very issue.”

The commercial integration cell, or CIC, is a group of 10 commercial satellite operators that work side-by-side with U.S. Space Command at Vandenberg Space Force Base, California. U.S. Strategic Command originally created the CIC to share intelligence about threats in space and other issues of concern given the military’s dependence on commercial space services.

The CIC includes Intelsat, SES Government Solutions, Inmarsat, Eutelsat, Maxar, Viasat, XTAR, SpaceX, Iridium Communications and Hughes Network Systems.

Starlink, with nearly 2,000 satellites in low Earth orbit, is by far the world’s largest commercial satellite constellation. SpaceX has permission to launch 12,000 satellites and is seeking approval to deploy 30,000 more."

 

[MIKOM]

This guy gives great insight to this conflict and gives us the Russian perspective on his channel. Really enjoy his videos.

We had "Bald and Bankrupt" already on youtube, but this guy seems like "Bald and Backed by Putin"

 

[mkess101]

In thinking a little more about this deal with the Poles giving those Migs over with the unspoken intention they go to the Ukrainians...there's some logistical issues I'm wondering about (if the US did in fact try to get them to the Ukrainians). Like, are they gonna try to get all those Ukrainian pilots out of the country and to Germany to get a quick crash course in how to fly them (I know they know how to fly Migs, but with the Polish instruments on board, etc.) The US can't have their own pilots fly them into the Ukraine obviously, what would happen if they encountered Russian anti-aircraft battalions, etc. They may have to engage to not be shot down, that's war.

I'm not really sure how this would work. Maybe someone has a plan but...

 

[Phlog]

Hmm, since when Romanian aerospace became a part of a war zone?

I said friendly fire in a warzone, I did not say that the MIG and the helicopter went down in a warzone. You're splitting hairs, you compared this to the shooting down of a civilian jet liner which was broadcasting its location, that comparison does not bare up to scrutiny, nor is it relevent.

There are complications due to NATO not wanting to work with the Ukrainians, for WWIII reasons, which make this kind of incident more likely. Let's not start arguing that the Romanians and Ukrainians should be working together.

 

[Phlog]

In thinking a little more about this deal with the Poles giving those Migs over with the unspoken intention they go to the Ukrainians...there's some logistical issues I'm wondering about (if the US did in fact try to get them to the Ukrainians). Like, are they gonna try to get all those Ukrainian pilots out of the country and to Germany to get a quick crash course in how to fly them (I know they know how to fly Migs, but with the Polish instruments on board, etc.) The US can't have their own pilots fly them into the Ukraine obviously, what would happen if they encountered Russian anti-aircraft battalions, etc. They may have to engage to not be shot down, that's war.

I'm not really sure how this would work. Maybe someone has a plan but...

I think the US said no way to this?

 

[DespicablePeep]

I try and ignore those people but it really grinds my gears. I mean absolutely there is blatant hypocrisy from the political class on this conflict but these dregs pushing this far right Idpol nonsense could not be further from the truth if they tried. The Syrian conflict was heavily reported, the atrocities civilians faced was heavily reported. All I saw (for the most part) was a outpouring of sympathy for what they faced. Syrian refugees were taken in en masse. Now we have these morons preaching from their mansions that “no one cared about the Syrian refugees, they only care about white Ukrainians”. If only we could run our cars and heat our homes with the bullshit they produce.

West was financing terrorists to topple Assad, not a word from the press or public.

 

[mkess101]

I think the US said no way to this?

I think it was more "Hold on...not so fast" as opposed to a final and hard "no". But that was yesterday, maybe it's changed.

 

[Phlog]

West was financing terrorists to topple Assad, not a word from the press or public.

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Out of interest as a thought experiment, if the Ukrainian people do have neonazis among them, as do the Russians, does that change anything?

Cos people in that part of the world be like that, and it seems to be more a popular ideology these days. I am into historical European martial arts, some pagan/Viking stuff and I but up against that ideology every so often.

It changes very little old chap. In neither country are neo-Nazis the arbiters of state power. This is a state on state invasion, an act of aggression from one U.N. member state against another without authorization from the U.N.

It’s a text book war crime.

If we were to later discover that Neo-Nazis in Ukraine had access to nuclear weapons or presented a clear and present danger to world peace, the moral landscape would shift and we would have to do some thinking. But that isn’t the case at all….