International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

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Something tells me Russia running low on pro Putin lap dogs new conscript "yes that is still an thing" are setting up anti-Putin fighting force as they are being dragged into war. Unlike the Wagner group where anyone looks the wrong way will be shot Russian soldiers are really an unhappy bunch.
Sadly looks that majority of society in Russia supports Putin, Kremlin and mobilisation and ofc also war.
They are properly brainwashed and will support everything Kremlin will order to do.
Until in person will be in trenches in Dumbass....


The Emperor admitted - 2,3% GDP decline, so imagine how high are real numbers?
Dictator in Belarus Lukashenko today accused Poland and Lithuania that they are preparing occupation special operation to attack with ground forces and annex Belarus ....
Also dictator Lukashenko admitted that GDP decline is ~5% ....according to his puppets statisticians....
Imagine how high decline % is in reality?;)
 
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BTW if about sanctions looks that new package is in preparing process.
Urzula + U.S and Japan .... I have no clue what kind of sanctions they might implement on Russia and Belarus.
Dreams that Orban will be able to block something are empty dreams.

They need that some certain countries will apply these sanctions .....doesn't matter will Hungary agree or no....

Japan and Canada are supporting these proposed sanctions...
 
That's a fair question and I don't know the answer. But what is the alternative? Let Russia win? Do you think Russia would have stopped at just the Eastern part of Ukraine and Crimea? Keep in mind, he has literally said Ukraine is not a real country multiple times before the invasion. His original intention was to completely annex all of Ukraine.

Russia also annexed part of Georgia and has been messing with every other former Soviet Republic.

First off, I commend you for your honesty. It's a difficult question since all we have are bad choices or even shittier ones, you've actually thought through some of the possibilities and chosen the one which you believe will result in the least bad outcome. I can't say I agree with it since my background leads to a more Asian-centric viewpoint rather than the Euro or Western-centric point of view which forms the majority of opinions here and elsewhere. Removing Russia from the world stage has the potential to really fuck up the geopolitics in Asia and cause more suffering than letting Russia take nibbles out of its neighbours.

IMO there's no longer a way out of this mess that's acceptable to both the Ukraine and Russia. When it's over, one or both countries will cease to exist and we'll have a whole bunch of new fires to put out.
 
Americans are a completely brainwashed engineered population laughing at countries like NK for the propaganda when they themselves have been brainwashed completely to accept any narrative the corrupt media tells them.
It is not Americans in general, it is the leadership. Specially the current one - in the White House. The majority of Americans are smart enough, and have enough common sense, to know what is good or bad for the country. Many of our elected representatives don't exactly represent what the people want.
 
First off, I commend you for your honesty. It's a difficult question since all we have are bad choices or even shittier ones, you've actually thought through some of the possibilities and chosen the one which you believe will result in the least bad outcome. I can't say I agree with it since my background leads to a more Asian-centric viewpoint rather than the Euro or Western-centric point of view which forms the majority of opinions here and elsewhere. Removing Russia from the world stage has the potential to really fuck up the geopolitics in Asia and cause more suffering than letting Russia take nibbles out of its neighbours.

IMO there's no longer a way out of this mess that's acceptable to both the Ukraine and Russia. When it's over, one or both countries will cease to exist and we'll have a whole bunch of new fires to put out.

Are you from one of the *stan countries like Dagestan? Just assuming based on your avatar.

Realistically, I think there will be an eventual cease fire and negotiation - where Ukraine retains the Eastern territories it lost during the most recent invasion and Russia keeps Crimea. This allows Putin to retain some dignity and not completely destabilize his regime.

I don't think the Western powers will militarily support Ukraine with the necessary weapons to take Crimea. But I also don't think the West will allow Russia to make Ukraine cease to exist.

If the West really supports Ukraine to the point where they're about to take Crimea, this will put Putin in a very tenuous and dangerous political position within Russia. This makes him HIGHLY dangerous and unstable.

The rumors are that Putin was obsessed with Gaddafi and how his regime ended and he wants to avoid a similar fate at all costs. So he might actually resort to tactical nukes. But the West wants to avoid that at all costs.

As part of the negotiation, the sanctions will end and business as normal will eventually happen. Then Russia will still be kind of a threat being right on the South, but by the time Russia gets strong enough for another offensive, Putin will probably be too old and get sick or retire. He's 72 now.

Unless the craziest thing happens and he gets taken out by people in his own gov't. Then that's completely unpredictable - will have destabilizing effects around the entire Eastern hemisphere as well as global oil prices.
 
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First off, I commend you for your honesty. It's a difficult question since all we have are bad choices or even shittier ones, you've actually thought through some of the possibilities and chosen the one which you believe will result in the least bad outcome. I can't say I agree with it since my background leads to a more Asian-centric viewpoint rather than the Euro or Western-centric point of view which forms the majority of opinions here and elsewhere. Removing Russia from the world stage has the potential to really fuck up the geopolitics in Asia and cause more suffering than letting Russia take nibbles out of its neighbours.

IMO there's no longer a way out of this mess that's acceptable to both the Ukraine and Russia. When it's over, one or both countries will cease to exist and we'll have a whole bunch of new fires to put out.
Nonsense.

Russia now is in thight and harsh debates with Canada and Norway and Denmark because they does have huge ambitions in arctic .....
They are thinking that there might be a lot of natural gas.


Already started to threat with nukes under the table..
So let's forget idiotic dreams westerners does have sitting in their cubicles....
Like: wow, we might " sell " to Russia some "villages " Ukraine and Moldova and Georgia for our peace and comfortable future in consumers society living on debts.

It will not happen.
Russia now does have active territorial claims vs Canada, Norway and Denmark....
Soon in this list will be US too....

Dreamers should woke up and cease to dream like idiotic kindergarden kids.....
 
There is no way to effectively find the morale of the population.

Alexa what is polling.

I am pro Ukrainians losing part of their country because that is the only way this is going to end, and Americans are having trouble accepting that. Almost every military leader knows this and has stated such. There is no scenario where Ukraine regains all of their land, truly you must understand this.

Cool, and how to make sure Russia won't try to invade again in the future? what is Russia willing to compromise to get those territories?

I am looking out for the civilians of Ukraine. I want a deal, a solution, an end to the fighting. Yes, it will involve concessions, but ultimately that is how it's going to end no matter what. You need to accept this, and once you do, you will be able to see the best course of action as I have.

What kind of concessions is Russia willing to give?

I feel the pain of the peaceful citizens who don't want any part of this war, but are stuck without a way out.

And yet you blame Ukraine and the US, not the actual country doing the invasion, i wonder why...

I know polling is not a legit way to gain information because it's often bias and only representative of a very small fraction of people. You probably believed Hilary Clinton had a 99% chance of winning the election as well.

You are part of prometheus society yet you don't understand basic statistics?

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Alexa what is polling.



Cool, and how to make sure Russia won't try to invade again in the future? what is Russia willing to compromise to get those territories?



What kind of concessions is Russia willing to give?



And yet you blame Ukraine and the US, not the actual country doing the invasion, i wonder why...



You are part of prometheus society yet you don't understand basic statistics?

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He is chatbot using account created by real human.;)
 
It isn't worth to discuss with idiots....

They are thinking that old gear that anyway should had been replaced with new + if remained in warehouses taxpayers should had to pay money for .....utilisation....
Now: just transport expenses and Ukr is utilising this stuff for free.
Taxpayers money is saved and plebs still are angry. Will they ate 50-30 years old shells and other stuff?

They are not angry about the money, they are angry at Russia losing.
 
Naw, if they had large bunch with USSR era airplanes in working condition, they might create nightmare for Russia in Ukraine.....

While Russia doesn't have air superiority in Ukraine at all + Ukr still are able to use helicopters and Su 25, Mig 29 and Su 24.... even today....

The biggest problem for Russia in air warfare is....
Ukr still does have Buk batteries and S-300 batteries and some missiles for them...

When they will be used all.....Russia will be capable to conduct Alepo type or Dresden 1945 th scenario....

Russia still lacks smart munitions to be able to hit proper targets without being shot down by MANPADS.
 
Russia had expressed active territorial claims vs Norway, Denmark and Canada.
Lavrov is actively working with this case and probably soon Russia will present also territorial claims vs United States.
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Mr Putin today is thinking that borderlines in arctic seas and ocean aren't proper and should be changed in order to get for Russia more area to control.
 
Except the Abram tanks being sent over will be brand new.
No, they won't.
Ukraine will get the M-1s that do not have the classified armor. It will be 1st or 2nd generation refurbished tanks.
This has been covered a few pages back.
 
I don't think that someone even should waste time and money on this " classified armour "....

All high level touting for this cral is because Iraq..
Where they mainly had monkey model tanks and ammo approwed in 1974 th...:D
These tanks with the same success ratio might had been deNazified by some 1988-1991 a bit upgrade M60A3 version or the same USSR version T-72 tank produced in 1988 th with late phase of Gorbachev era ammo.;)This.
 
Another day another announcement of nuclear war by former russian president dmitry medvedev. Medvedev said that Russia will not lose to Ukraine and Putin will not drop it and if the Russian was forced into using a nuclear weapon to achieve its objective it will use it. What objective blowing themselves into oblivion seriously? Dmitry is a troll. Oh I forgot to add spokesperson said that London and Germany could be potential targets.
 
First off, I commend you for your honesty. It's a difficult question since all we have are bad choices or even shittier ones, you've actually thought through some of the possibilities and chosen the one which you believe will result in the least bad outcome. I can't say I agree with it since my background leads to a more Asian-centric viewpoint rather than the Euro or Western-centric point of view which forms the majority of opinions here and elsewhere. Removing Russia from the world stage has the potential to really fuck up the geopolitics in Asia and cause more suffering than letting Russia take nibbles out of its neighbours.

IMO there's no longer a way out of this mess that's acceptable to both the Ukraine and Russia. When it's over, one or both countries will cease to exist and we'll have a whole bunch of new fires to put out.

How does allowing the imperialist Russia to succeed fuck up the geopolitics of Asia?

The number one threat to the geopolitical landscape of Asia is the growing power of China and allowing Russia to have its way will only embolden them.
 
How does allowing the imperialist Russia to succeed fuck up the geopolitics of Asia?

The number one threat to the geopolitical landscape of Asia is the growing power of China and allowing Russia to have its way will only embolden them.

Think he's talking about Central Asia. A lot of the former Soviet Republics are in Central Asia and in Russia's sphere of influence. Also, the current areas of Russia that are part of Central Asia.
 
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