International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

[Limbo Pete]

Good luck, Pete.

You're dealing with someone who gets 10-7'd three rounds in a row, then jumps up and starts praying the judges gave it to him.

It's a sort of douchified Cool Hand Luke vs Dragline strategy lol

 

[Limbo Pete]

But that didn't happen when we invaded Iraq or Afghanistan?

You don't actually have any evidence to back up your belief. Just believing the agenda driven news, which is spoon fed by the governments.

Those governments in turn taking their orders from the almighty Crabb, of course

 

[Limbo Pete]

Aaaaaanyway

 

[PEB]

 

[SandisLL]

To be fair that guy did win an election, versus being installed. Nor was he removed the legal way required by their law. Not trying to be pedantic.

Russians crying about their corrupt doll is useless.
While he wasn't removed according to law, still Poroshenko was elected as law requires ....and more than this: current parliament and president were elected properly and there no reasons to cry.

 

[SandisLL]

"Russia conducted free and fair elections in the territory they've been forcibly occupying."
"Dude they are making people 'vote' at gunpoint."
"Shut up idiot."

Ha ha. Ofc.

1. when russia is coming in....local civilians are attempting to run from city....especially these who doesn't support them.
2. Then they are installing FSB ( KGB) and their military etc.
Part of remaining locals is kicked out from city.
Part locked in prisons and filtration camps and police stations, even in basements.
3. Elections comitee members choosed by FSB ( KGB ). Including " counters ".

And then we have ppl they allow to "vote " and FSB votes " counters ".
Result is already well known. They might not bothered to do this circus unless maybe it works well for babushkas in armchairs in russia....

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Yes, he was, that is true.

I'm not saying there wasn't some sort of coup, because there was.

And you're right, he wasn't "installed" per that last post, so I retract that.

He wasn't outright installed but he was backed and controlled by the Russians. The Orange Revolution started after he won a rigged election and his opponent was poisoned in Russia. And the Maidan Revolution that deposed him took place after he rejected economic links to the EU in favor of ties with Russia against the will of most of the population.

 

[MeatheadMike]

And now you're giving credibility to our governments who as we all know, are full of compulsive liars. But yay, they're more truthy than Korea.
Do you not see how stupid your reasoning is?
And who said I believe the kremlin?
You misunderstand my position. Russia are not the good guys. The governments are all in it together. And the rivalry is there to scare the public and gather support for basically less freedom, and more cost.
At the end of all this, putin will go on his merry way and nothing will have been achieved except the global economic reset and the biggest transfer of wealth the world has ever seen.
And you fuck nuggets are falling for it while taking the intellectual high ground.

Do you not see how stupid your reasoning is? You oversimplistic baseline view is every single government in the world lies and sucks... therefore they are all equal... so what Russia and NK say is just as good as everybody else combined.

This is common flawed logic among CTers... for example MSM lies, therefore anonymous guy on social media for truth.

Also you are claiming that its all a ploy to take freedom away from the public.... but this incredibly lazy form of thinking is ironically causing you to side with two authoritarian regimes that are obviously less free than most in the world by any metric.

 

[Strychnine]

Russia Admits It's Running Out of Equipment For Mobilized Soldiers

"Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Wednesday that there are issues with equipment for the hundreds of thousands of men being sent to fight in Ukraine under President Vladimir Putin's partial mobilization decree.

Peskov said a newly-formed council created by Putin is working on resolving problems with equipment. "Vigorous measures taken to rectify the situation are already yielding the first positive results," he said.

Regional authorities are working on providing "the missing gear," Peskov said, noting that Deputy Prime Minister Denis Manturov "is personally responsible for this" as part of Putin's new council.

Putin on Tuesday held the first official meeting of his "coordinating council" for military supply and logistics. It was created on October 21, and seeks to ensure that his military has adequate supplies in the war."

Russia Admits It's Running Out of Equipment For Mobilized Soldiers (msn.com)

Kind of hard to find equipment when everyone that's supposed to issue it to you for free is selling it to you at 3X the cost.

 

[Blayt7hh]

So literally any source, be it MSM, BBC, military intelligence, or real time social media is 'totally useless'?

You know when you're asking for a source, you're asking where the information came from?

Your ability to debate seems to revolve around ignoring everything, refusing to read anything, and insulting people.

I was going to respond to @CyberRubberDuck. Your claim is just a well known fact. I already knew though that no matter what source I used he was going to say it was fake. Let’s ignore the fact that you can just type it into google and find a bunch of them. Have you noticed they all repeat the same lies that Russia stated since the beginning? Yet he wants us to think he isn’t buying into Kremlin propaganda. These guys are just a stereotype now.

I think I’m worn out by these edge lords that come in here and talk about the mainstream media. He’s having a little meltdown now that he’s being faced with reality like @San Marino and already got himself carded lol. I’m sure if you ask it’s not his fault and the mods are trying to silence the truth. Honestly, I sounded kind of like these goobers when I was 17 but I grew up.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I was going to respond to @CyberRubberDuck. Your claim is just a well known fact. I already knew though that no matter what source I used he was going to say it was fake. Let’s ignore the fact that you can just type it into google and find a bunch of them. Have you noticed they all repeat the same lies that Russia stated since the beginning? Yet he wants us to think he isn’t buying into Kremlin propaganda.

I think I’m worn out by these edge lords that come in here and talk about the mainstream media. He’s having a little meltdown now that he’s being faced with reality like @San Marino and already got himself carded lol. I’m sure if you ask it’s not his fault and the mods are trying to silence the truth. Honestly, I sounded kind of like these goobers when I was 17 but I grew up.

It's not just down to an inability to follow the course of logic, it's denialism.

MY VIEW IS RIGHT -> presentation of data that's contrary to that, but it's probably wrong -> not easy to disprove that data, even tried Google -> am I actually right? -> MINOR CONCESSION

That's how most people work.

MY VIEW IS RIGHT -> presentation of data that's contrary to that, but it's probably wrong -> not easy to disprove that data, even tried Google -> PISS OFF IDIOT, YOU MUST BE STUPID

I imagine that's how Kadyrov's mind works, TBH. Just not used to being challenged.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Attacks on MSM are yawntastic when there is never a credible alternative source proposed.

Most people in this thread are getting their news/information from social media channels, both pro-Ukraine and pro-Russia, and plenty of official intelligence from a variety of countries, not just Western countries. The dreaded 'MSM' get hold of the same stuff, and writes about it.

If they were constantly making shit up, we would know.

But actually the 'MSM' have covered the war pretty fairly.

Again, though, rather than just being scared of the 'MSM' boogeyman, what's this super reliable alternative source of information that's even more verifiable than actual footage from the front line and national intelligence services?

For the record, the current situation with intelligence services publicly broadcasting information is unusual during wartime. The aim appears to have been to counteract disinformation AHEAD OF TIME.

I was going to write something along these lines too hahah. Most poster that are regulars here are getting good information and aren’t even following the media. We live in an era where you can easily fact check the media with the internet. Their argument sounds like something an old guy says not realizing we can just use the internet to fact check for ourselves and often do.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Russia Admits It's Running Out of Equipment For Mobilized Soldiers

"Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Wednesday that there are issues with equipment for the hundreds of thousands of men being sent to fight in Ukraine under President Vladimir Putin's partial mobilization decree.

Peskov said a newly-formed council created by Putin is working on resolving problems with equipment. "Vigorous measures taken to rectify the situation are already yielding the first positive results," he said.

Regional authorities are working on providing "the missing gear," Peskov said, noting that Deputy Prime Minister Denis Manturov "is personally responsible for this" as part of Putin's new council.

Putin on Tuesday held the first official meeting of his "coordinating council" for military supply and logistics. It was created on October 21, and seeks to ensure that his military has adequate supplies in the war."

Russia Admits It's Running Out of Equipment For Mobilized Soldiers (msn.com)

Kind of hard to find equipment when everyone that's supposed to issue it to you for free is selling it to you at 3X the cost.

Meanwhile, the price of Always Maxi pads rocketed to £300 per pack in Moscow, though the Kremlin refute that this is a consequence of the highly successful Special Military Operation in Eastern Ukraine.

 

[lsa]

Isn't this the Serbian guy that's mad his countrymen got their shit pushed in by the west in the 90's?
I get why he's a little upset about that <45>
Only thing I don't get is the fact that he's defending Russia, who stood by and saw their little Serbian bro's get wrecked, and did nothing

He is also (IIRC) a flat earther.

 

[lsa]

Finland has 650

(I know, suprising)

Actually no.
That number includes armored vehicles, Finland has approx 220 tanks.

 

[lsa]

Weird im pretty sure that Finland joining NATO means 800 miles of border with Russia, missile shields soon and rearming of Germany.



Redirected to where? China has not picked up the tab and they are getting big discounts.

Dont forget Sweden, Gotland (island) is strategic important to control the Baltic Sea.
Its a "common knowledge" that if a war Russia will try and invade and control Gotland.
Its key.

 

[grimballer]

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/09/30/fictitious-annexation-follows-voting-gunpoint

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63072113

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...russias-referendums-ukraine-vucic-2022-09-28/

The last one for those terrified of MSM.

wait...

so your "evidence" is out of context photo of military personnel in a war zone?

whats next? guy in batman suit is evidence that batman is real?

hey look

clearly an "evidence" of police forcing people to vote...

 

[grimballer]

Even Russia propaganda TV is admitting the "special military operation" is failing and things are going badly for Russia...are they lying too? nobody except for you and San Marino are thinking Russia is doing well right now.

you should stop doing drugs before posting...

ukraine is losing at least 1000 soliders a week and most conservative estimation between russia/ukrainian losses is 1 to 5

ukraine is soon gonna run out of military personnel and would rely exclusively on foreign mercenaries

 

[Cole train]

Actually no.
That number includes armored vehicles, Finland has approx 220 tanks.

In our language armored vehicle and tank is same thing lol so mistakes were made

Polish have 550 batyle tanks to our.240

 

[grimballer]

But that didn't happen when we invaded Iraq or Afghanistan?

You don't actually have any evidence to back up your belief. Just believing the agenda driven news, which is spoon fed by the governments.

look! it's evidence of us military forcing people to vote in iraq