International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

[Devil's_Advocate]

wait...

so your "evidence" is out of context photo of military personnel in a war zone?

whats next? guy in batman suit is evidence that batman is real?

hey look

clearly an "evidence" of police forcing people to vote...

look! it's evidence of us military forcing people to vote in iraq

Did UK annex the land of the polling station and have people 'vote' whether to approve the annexation?

Did US annex Iraqi lands and have them vote whether to become part of US?

Seems like you're being very disingenuous in all your back and forths.

If you think West's MSM is untrustworthy then I have no idea what you consider as trustworthy. In Russia there's no objective reality, it is whatever the Russian government says it is. Russian government controls all media. In US there's indeed 'media bias' but no media source is directly controlled by the government.

What do you watch/read to get your news?

I'd love to know. I watch news in two and even three languages from all over the world (US, India, Qatar, UK, Russia, etc).

 

[grimballer]

Did UK annex the land of the polling station and have people 'vote' whether to approve the annexation?

Did US annex Iraqi lands and have them vote whether to become part of US?

Seems like you're being very disingenuous in all your back and forths.

If you think West's MSM is untrustworthy then I have no idea what you consider as trustworthy. In Russia there's no objective reality, it is whatever the Russian government says it is. Russian government controls all media. In US there's indeed 'media bias' but no media source is directly controlled by the government.

What do you watch/read to get your news?

I'd love to know. I watch news in two and even three languages from all over the world (India, Qatar, UK, Russia, etc).

again why would majority russian population who was shelled by ukrainian forces for 8 years want to leave ukraine and join russia?

i see no reason why...

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[curryjunkie]

"Investigative journalism"?

What are you talking about?

some putin apologist with a video camera

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[Limbo Pete]

some putin apologist with a video camera

Excuse me, sir, you spelled "heroic anti-Nazi" wrong

 

[brothir]

look! it's evidence of us military forcing people to vote in iraq

It's not, but the election in Iraq was a disaster and is widely recognized as something that shouldn't be attempted. So if you have a problem with it (you should), then you must logically also have a problem with how the elections in the Ukrainian regions were conducted (which I do in both cases).

 

[grimballer]

It's not, but the election in Iraq was a disaster and is widely recognized as something that shouldn't be attempted. So if you have a problem with it (you should), then you must logically also have a problem with how the elections in the Ukrainian regions were conducted (which I do in both cases).

based on a photo...

 

[brothir]

based on a photo...

In the case of the Iraq election we have extensive knowledge of how it was conducted. In the case of the forced elections in the Ukrainian territories, the Russian military conducted them as quickly and as nontransparently as possible so as to prevent any information. That's why no one considers them legitimate elections.

That's not based on a single photo, it's just abstract knowledge we can glean from the obviousness of the timeline of events.

 

[A Lurker]

Excuse me, sir, you spelled "heroic anti-Nazi" wrong

Anti-satanist.

Get with the times

 

[AWilder]

it appears that russia is forced to use low quality trolls as their troll farms have been reduced from mobilization.

 

[PEB]

 

[Andy Capp]

I think he's referring to that video where Victoria Nuland said that $5 billion was spent by the US in Ukraine on democracy promotion.

Unless "democracy promotion" is a euphemism--in which case I'd like to see the evidence of that--it doesn't really accord with what people think of as having backed a coup, wouldn't you say? But then, that's why I asked the question, obviously.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

i read some article the other day about putin saying that his war is now about de-satanizing ukraine. i guess de-nazifying them simply just isnt enough. his war must not be going very well for him.

 

[Andy Capp]

Unless "democracy promotion" is a euphemism--in which case I'd like to see the evidence of that--it doesn't really accord with what people think of as having backed a coup, wouldn't you say? But then, that's why I asked the question, obviously.

The idea that the $5B was input as a lump sum toward overthrow of the government is confirmed to be a lie, to the surprise of no one ITT.

https://www.stopfake.org/en/324/
"Ukraine has governmental programs in cooperations with the USA:s cientific, technical, cultural, humanitarian and economic. They also help develop agriculture, democratic and human rights institutions. There are American Investment funds (for example Horizon Capital, Sigma Bleyzer). These funds are working here on the commercial basis and put money in Ukrainian businesses in order to develop, fix them (this includes full transparency, which means no black market schemes or money laundering) and potentially sell them. This is what Victoria Nuland meant saying “Since Ukraine’s independece in 1991 the United States have supported Ukrainians to build democratic skills and institutions as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are pre-conditions for Ukraine to achieve the European aspirations. We have invested over 5 bn dollars to assist Ukraine in these goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous democratic Ukraine”"

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1404/21/ampr.01.html
"NULAND: I didn't hear Mr. Nikonov speaking. The United States has invested some $5 billion in Ukraine since 1991, when it became an independent state again after the collapse of the Soviet Union. And that money has been spent on supporting the aspirations of the Ukrainian people to have a strong, democratic government that represents their interests."

So, what's the next excuse for trying to promote the idea Ukraine deserves this and should be left hung out to dry, hm?

 

[Andy Capp]

How come Jackson Hinkle spells his own last name different ways?

 

[Blayt7hh]

Anti-satanist.

Get with the times

I hear that Ukrainians have been trafficking kids to sacrifice to Hunter Biden’s laptop

 

[Karelinator]

In our language armored vehicle and tank is same thing lol so mistakes were made

Polish have 550 batyle tanks to our.240

From what I've read from people who are interested in it/tracking it, maybe 300 of those will start and drive for a while though. And in general, if you could cannibalize many of them, maybe one would get 250 well running ones.

 

[Badr Hari]

lhis war must not be going very well for him.

Well they were fortifying Belgorod last week, if that tells you something.

 

[A Lurker]

I hear that Ukrainians have been trafficking kids to sacrifice to Hunter Biden’s laptop

Killiarys bleached emails are on that laptop