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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

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Blayt7hh said:
I stopped reading after you said “added the caveat”. I didn’t need to add it. The story you shared was about them shooting at an RAF plane. I didn’t think I needed to explain that
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I don't think that makes sense. So now they are going to start shooting down Russian planes that come near them? That's not consistent with their claim of not wanting to start WWIII if they have to shoot down Russian planes. That's not what is going to happen at all.

They are going to have fighter escorts to prevent anyone daring to shoot at them in the first place. It's a visible deterrent. I'm sure they would take out the Russian's if they really did attack a NATO plane but I bet they'd be as reluctant as hell to do so. I'd bet their rules of engagement would be absolutely gone over in triplicate to make sure there is absolutely no room for misunderstanding.

I actually agree with you that the Russian's would not be able to do anything about it. But that's my point, it's an EXCUSE for NATO not to get involved. Because if they shoot down a Russian plane and Russia don't respond by declaring war on NATO, then there is no excuse not to implement a no-fly zone over Ukraine. Zelensky would have a field day in the press with that. Can you imagine the ear-bleeding he'd be giving NATO world leaders? Look how pissy the US got when Poland put them in an embarrassing situation by offering to deliver the jets to the US -- who could then provide them to Ukraine.

TLDR: NATO are not scared of shooting down Russian planes because Russia will declare war on NATO. NATO are scared that Russia WON'T declare war on NATO.
 
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Strychnine said:
Israel destroys Iranian drone manufacturing plant in Syria

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"Israeli military sources quoted by the daily 'Yedioth Aharonot' explained that the attack was executed with missiles launched from the Sea of Galilee and that the Syrian anti-aircraft defenses shot down most of the projectiles.

The Saudi network Al Arabiya reported that the target was members of the 4,400th Unit of the Lebanese Hezbollah party-militia, an ally of Iran, which was transporting Iranian weapons from Syria to Lebanon under the command of Hajj Fadi.

Fadi was responsible for the ammonium nitrate shipment at the port of Beirut that caused a devastating explosion in 2020, the aftermath of which is still affecting the Lebanese economy and society.

In addition, Unit 4400 would have direct links to Unit 190 of the Quds Force, the overseas branch of Iran's Revolutionary Guard."

Israel destroys Iranian drone manufacturing plant in Syria (msn.com)

Let's all hope that Iran sent out all they had to Russia and told them more were coming.

Because that supply line just got a LOT longer.
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Incidentally an airport with Hizbollah base got wiped out too. Multitasking!
 
aries said:
I don't think that makes sense. So now they are going to start shooting down Russian planes that come near them? Yeah that's totally consistent with not implementing WWIII because it will mean shooting down Russian planes. That's not what is going to happen at all.

They are going to have fighter escorts to prevent anyone daring to shoot at them in the first place. It's a visible deterrent. I'm sure they would take out the Russian's if they really did attack a NATO plane but I bet they'd be as reluctant as hell to do so.

I actually agree with you that the Russian's would not be able to do anything about it. But that's my point, it's an EXCUSE for NATO not to get involved. Because if they shoot down a Russian plane and Russia don't respond by declaring war on NATO, then there is no excuse not to implement a no-fly zone over Ukraine. Zelensky would have a field day in the press with that. Can you imagine the ear-bleeding he'd be giving NATO world leaders? Look how pissy the US got when Poland put them in an embarrassing situation by offering to deliver the jets to the US -- who could then provide them to Ukraine.
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U.S are a bit too pussy, yeah.
And wants to use " allies " as resin buffer....

The same Poland.
While U.S attempted to sell them 250 new and 116 old Abrams tanks , how much they had sold?
HIMARS stuff too.
One thing is to talk. Another to do the walk.

Looks that asiats will be main MRLS systems and tanks supplier for Poland.

U.S can't deliver. For obivious reasons and poles will not be idiots to the same extent as Ukr etc.
U.S might not dream.

Btw without stationed Aegis ....they most likely already had ordered SAM batteries from...China.
 
Yotsuya said:
Incidentally an airport with Hizbollah base got wiped out too. Multitasking!
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Looks reasonable.
Most likely Iran had provided spare parts and guidelines how to assemble drones.
Then terrorists from Syria might had assembled them and shipped to Russia.
Ofc most likely some part of batches they IMHO had kept for their own needs...rest part sent to Russia and Iran waving hands in innocence: these aren't our drones.
For Russia after this enough just to paint drones with russian letters and color...and use Iranian advisors to teach prepare " motorbikes " for launch...
 
aries said:
LOL I said 'Pissy' not Pussy, but your translation is amusing
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Well, amusing imho is reality: nor EU nor NATO needed them.
While ...if russia is bullying and filling europe with refugees and threating with nukes and blackmail with supplies....+ yelling about superempire ....

Then next chapter had started...
West get reality what stuff Russia is.
At least these with brains.
 
aries said:
It's pretty clear that the US and it's allies could annihilate Russia in pretty short order. The only possible repercussion is the 'nuclear' threat which is most certainly a bluff. But it would save 10's of thousands of lives, 100's of Billions in rebuilding Ukraine, prevent millions potentially starving to death and massively improve the global economic crisis over night. And Putin would be out on his ears.

Yes the rest of NATO would want the US to lead but I've never seen the rest of NATO so resolute about any one issue. This isn't some Iraq invasion built on a flaky WMD claim or 'peacekeeping' in Afghanistan. I don't know the numbers but I've heard (from serving and ex-soldiers) there is quite a sizeable number of British soldiers going AWOL to help in Ukraine as well as many ex-soldiers. The British media are burying it though. I bet it's not just British soldiers either. The European arm of NATO now fully acknowledge where the biggest most prevalent threat lies, let them do much of the heavy lifting to gain some confidence dealing with their main enemy. As long as NATO sticks to pushing Russia out of Ukraine, there will be no risk of nuclear threat.

Everybody is now aware that NATO would decimate Russian forces, including Putin. Even the Russian media pundits openly admit it. He's extremely concerned that NATO will come for him in Russia. As long as it's clear they just get out of Ukraine, and we aren't invading Russia, no one is using nukes. It would just be suicide for Putin. And he does not seem suicidal to me since he's doing everything in his power to stay alive. I've seen asthmatic pensioners less afraid of catching covid than Putin.

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As you've pointed out, Putin appears extremely paranoid. Nobody really knows how much of his rhetoric he actually believes or how much is for the zombie babuskhas, but when the states are as high as global annihilation it's not a good idea to test the boundaries. To annihilate Russia in Ukraine NATO wouldn't even need to get involved directly. It could be done entirely through weapon donations: If we just handed the Ukrainians 3/4 of our cruise missile stocks they could push Russia out within a month or less; but even doing that would likely be seen as a major provocation. In order to maintain reputation internationally, NATO needs to stick to it's remit. It damaged it's reputation when it acted outside that remit in Yugoslavia and gave Putin political capital to use against the west.

These are the unwritten rules of a proxy war. Exactly the same thing played out in reverse when the soviets were helping the Vietnamese repel the American invaders. The soviets provided them with equipment but it was a balancing act of not pissing off Washington too much. The Ukrainians want more and better weapons, we want to supply them, but they still need to be seen to be doing the majority of the fighting; otherwise it's no longer really their war and it becomes entirely Russia vs NATO.
 
TV profile suspended - said Ukrainian children should be drowned
A presenter for the state-run Russian television channel Russia Today has been suspended after comments that children who criticize Russia should be drowned, writes Sky News.

It was in a broadcast last week that a writer told how children in Ukraine in the 80s said that life would be better if it weren't for Moscow occupying their country. To which the presenter Anton Krasovskij replied:

- They should have been drowned in Tysyna. Just drowned those kids, drowned them. Alternatively, they could have been pushed into huts and burned.

Anton Krasovskij apologized earlier today and writes on social media that he is "really ashamed".

https://omni.se/senaste
 
Micron seems to want Ukraine to lean towards Russia "Basically giving into to some kind or reduced deal but will still end up on the losing end and US already said the deal is a bad one for Ukraine". Obviously according to people familiar with the situation says Italy's new PM seems to be having a hand in this having hosted the NATO event in Italy yet posted support to Ukraine. I used to think highly of Micron but he has made a mess of France with his constant shifting.

"ROME -- Pope Francis on Monday met at the Vatican with French President Emmanuel Macron, with the war in Ukraine looming large in both leaders' concerns.

The nearly hour-long private audience was Francis’ third with Macron since becoming pontiff.

Neither side immediately released details of their talks.

On the eve of their meeting, Macron spoke at a conference in Rome about the need for Ukraine to decide the time and terms of peace with Russia, which invaded its neighbor eight months ago.

Francis will go to the Colosseum on Tuesday to deliver a speech to the same forum, a conference centered on the need for peace and organized by a Catholic charity close to the Vatican.

Accompanying Macron to the Vatican was his wife, Brigitte."

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-vatican-ukraine-concerns-loom-large-91992745
 
The theory: Upland speed cameras are stolen - and used in Russian drones

Speed cameras worth millions have been stolen from roads in Uppland (Sweden) recently, as P4 Uppland previously reported.

Now Aftonbladet writes that the same cameras found in speed cameras are used in Russian home-built drones. Säpo tells the newspaper that they are aware of the connection but do not want to go into more detail about their intelligence work.

Hans Liwång at the University of Defense says that it is possible that a need for these cameras has led to an increased interest in stealing them.

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/teorin-upplandska-fartkameror-stjals-och-anvands-i-ryska-dronare

So Russia is forced to steal from Swedish cameras to make drones...
Feels like the tech embargo does work,
 
PEB said:
Micron seems to want Ukraine to lean towards Russia "Basically giving into to some kind or reduced deal but will still end up on the losing end and US already said the deal is a bad one for Ukraine". Obviously according to people familiar with the situation says Italy's new PM seems to be having a hand in this having hosted the NATO event in Italy yet posted support to Ukraine. I used to think highly of Micron but he has made a mess of France with his constant shifting.

"ROME -- Pope Francis on Monday met at the Vatican with French President Emmanuel Macron, with the war in Ukraine looming large in both leaders' concerns.

The nearly hour-long private audience was Francis’ third with Macron since becoming pontiff.

Neither side immediately released details of their talks.

On the eve of their meeting, Macron spoke at a conference in Rome about the need for Ukraine to decide the time and terms of peace with Russia, which invaded its neighbor eight months ago.

Francis will go to the Colosseum on Tuesday to deliver a speech to the same forum, a conference centered on the need for peace and organized by a Catholic charity close to the Vatican.

Accompanying Macron to the Vatican was his wife, Brigitte."

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-vatican-ukraine-concerns-loom-large-91992745
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Yeah, there are enugh politicians in europe who want Ukr to make at least temporary ceasefire with Russia.
Russia will use this to rest and regroup + accumulate weapons and ammunition.
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Anyway regardless from any papers.
Russia will have next war in Ukraine again.

And ofc any excuses from propaganda will be used.
Like stuff posted here by some posters.

Russian nationalists - neo imperialists had promised to deal with ukr even if it will require 50 years. Sadly without their support no one will keep power in Kremlin.
Navalny too is russian world guy , just concurrent for Putin.

For a reason some tanks etc have painted by guys phrases : to Berlin.
Also some tanks when entered from Crimea had Red Flag .... not Russian.
For a reason WW2 is used by propagandists and ofc with Stalin's history version.
Our flag in Berlin.
Dugin & Co are dreaming about flag in Lisbon, U.K, Greenland and till Vladivostok.
Hegemony No1.
Other kind of ppl too....

/ a lot of normal and wealthy or at least real middle class russians etc had relocated from Russia.
Trend was 1905-1921 and then next trend 1992-2022.

+ dissolution of USSR de iure happened why?
Politicians in Russian Federation voted for independence.
They voted for Russia's sovergeinity as for Russian Federation as sovergein state& country.
Independent from other countries.

While propagandists are crying: west destroyed, flower revolutions etc....
Even for local russian communists largest part then was....enough!.
 
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+ I had posted months ago that Su-27 and later models are far more sensitive to mainetnance quality than the same Mig s ....

The main reason is cos to correct something if balance/ torque/ steering isn't close to ideal....it will be death spinning curse or some other shit.

Mig 29 and even Mig 25, Mig 31, Su 25 etc and Su17 are more durable in this kind of possible problems....
 
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