International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[SandisLL]

As you've pointed out, Putin appears extremely paranoid. Nobody really knows how much of his rhetoric he actually believes or how much is for the zombie babuskhas, but when the states are as high as global annihilation it's not a good idea to test the boundaries. To annihilate Russia in Ukraine NATO wouldn't even need to get involved directly. It could be done entirely through weapon donations: If we just handed the Ukrainians 3/4 of our cruise missile stocks they could push Russia out within a month or less; but even doing that would likely be seen as a major provocation. In order to maintain reputation internationally, NATO needs to stick to it's remit. It damaged it's reputation when it acted outside that remit in Yugoslavia and gave Putin political capital to use against the west.

These are the unwritten rules of a proxy war. Exactly the same thing played out in reverse when the soviets were helping the Vietnamese repel the American invaders. The soviets provided them with equipment but it was a balancing act of not pissing off Washington too much. The Ukrainians want more and better weapons, we want to supply them, but they still need to be seen to be doing the majority of the fighting; otherwise it's no longer really their war and it becomes entirely Russia vs NATO.

If in the same march had been handled some old 165 km range ATACMs missiles with 560 lbs warhead....1990 ies model.
And some old manufactured in 1980 ies cruise missiles....

 

[method115]

4 crashes in 5 weeks? Everything is fine

Is it really 5? I thought it was only 2 and people were just posting the same wreck multiple times.

 

[PEB]

Lol

 

[SandisLL]

Is it really 5? I thought it was only 2 and people were just posting the same wreck multiple times.

Su 30?
Crew is 1 or 2.

 

[SandisLL]

Lol

Dirty bomb Shoigu idiotism maybe had started cos russia doesn't have nuclar warheads in working condition.
Therefore might detonate dirty bomb and accuse Ukr...
Like propagandists about combat mices and ducks etc....and deadly super biolabs and chemical labs.

Sadly most likely Ukr didn't had.
Otherwise Russia didn't had balls to invade.
U.N is useless appendix. Nothing more.


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Stuff why I'm concerned about Russia and Iran is....
IMHO not likely Iran had been interested in small money or fighter jets from Russia at all.
While for sure Russia does have a lot of weapons grade plutonium and weapons grade enriched uranium....
And for this Iran might had agreed to supply drones....
Not for $ or Su 30.

 

[PEB]

 

[AWilder]

Is it really 5? I thought it was only 2 and people were just posting the same wreck multiple times.

no i guess it's only 2, i got confused because some reports gave the region and others the city. thought it was 4 events when only 2

 

[shinkyoku]

The theory: Upland speed cameras are stolen - and used in Russian drones

Speed cameras worth millions have been stolen from roads in Uppland (Sweden) recently, as P4 Uppland previously reported.

Now Aftonbladet writes that the same cameras found in speed cameras are used in Russian home-built drones. Säpo tells the newspaper that they are aware of the connection but do not want to go into more detail about their intelligence work.

Hans Liwång at the University of Defense says that it is possible that a need for these cameras has led to an increased interest in stealing them.

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/teorin-upplandska-fartkameror-stjals-och-anvands-i-ryska-dronare

So Russia is forced to steal from Swedish cameras to make drones...
Feels like the tech embargo does work,

There is also a wave of burglary in Sweden where both individual hunters and hunting/weapon stores are plundered of low-light scopes and advanced optics designed for hunting -and not much else!

 

[7even]

TV profile suspended - said Ukrainian children should be drowned
A presenter for the state-run Russian television channel Russia Today has been suspended after comments that children who criticize Russia should be drowned, writes Sky News.

It was in a broadcast last week that a writer told how children in Ukraine in the 80s said that life would be better if it weren't for Moscow occupying their country. To which the presenter Anton Krasovskij replied:

- They should have been drowned in Tysyna. Just drowned those kids, drowned them. Alternatively, they could have been pushed into huts and burned.

Anton Krasovskij apologized earlier today and writes on social media that he is "really ashamed".

https://omni.se/senaste

Wow, they really view Ukrainians as sub human.

 

[SandisLL]

Regards to the same " they will die."
Solar panel stuff in northern europe was more like exclusive stuff.
For reason.
In 2021 th It had boost. Sometimes cos pure reasons for pocket.
Latvia ( North euro ).
Connected to grid micro generation with solar panels.
2021. 17000 kW.
Today. 80000 kW.
Looks that quotas assigned for next year will be at least next +110 000kW.
+ power plants.
Wind power : as bare minimum ,+ 14X4,2MW generators....will be launched this year.
Looks like joke but if it is for country relying on hydro and fossil by 100% 30 years ago and they managed to refurbish and improve even their hydro stuff....

 

[Siver!]

Wow, they really view Ukrainians as sub human.

Well they always said they see a lot of themselves in the Ukrainian people

 

[SandisLL]

Wow, they really view Ukrainians as sub human.

Sure.
DeUkrainization. Total. Fake state and fake nation.

Also ofc they are scared that Moscow was founded by ukrainian king and was under Kiev.
Like with Georgia: russians were Stalin's puppets, puppets for georgian & gyp*y uncle....
Therefore nationalists does knows REAL historical roots and HATE and might devote century to destroy their master's land...

 

[SandisLL]

Russsians in Moscow were under a lot of different kind of ppl.
While lads like Dexter and Taysyki loved to talk about historical " rights ".
Then automatically Moscow due to historical rights should be under Ukraine cos had been founded by ukrainians.

^
Why russians aren't willing admit that for example Moscow was under Grand duke and prince of Kiev Yuri Dolgoruky ?
Long ago , before russian rebels had claimed crimea etc?
Muscowites had been created by Kiev and not vice v
wersa.

Guys, slaves should know ther place.
Nothing more. And Tayski and Dexter might cry i their shitty discord channel.
Use nuke or piss off both Kremlin's fanatics and " history experts. ".
Dexter. You had told : winners aren't judged.
I know that you are reading this and will get: you are correct and there isn't british idiot senile bum in Yalta.
World is global.
You are our enemy and always will be.
Dreaming like Dugin.

Will see.
Ukr is just beginning here.
Satan.

 

[Nameless King]

I think any coup in Russia is impossible today. For coup to work there has to be someone to take over and atm there is no one. The last thing you want as coupist is to dethrone the leader and let the country descent into chaos where who knows what may happen. Putin didnt rest of the laurels for the last 20 years, he made sure all oposition is dealt with and scared any potential viable opponents to his politics who may try something. The succesor is already in place and will ensure Putins politics carrying over.

 

[Denter]

You asked why we care about what happens Europe. You also remember that whole thing about Ukraine exporting a lot of grain to other parts of the world? Think we might have a vested interest in that getting out of the country?

These are all details though. You’re going to draw whatever conclusion you want. Why don’t you tell us why we are doing it?

Two reasons: 1) for about ten years, the US has viewed Russia as a direct adversary, for a variety of reasons, and because of that we 2) seek to weaken and limit Russian power by diplomacy and by proxy. This means the US is looking for ways to weaken and reduce Russia's ability to cause trouble. The easiest and least costly way to do this is to pull away Russian satellite states that are economically important to Russia. This was attempted in 2020 in Belarus, 2021 in Kazakhstan, Armenia, etc but the big prize was Ukraine- which had much of the Russian defense plant, was deeply economically intertwined with the Russian economy, and hosted its Black Sea fleet. That's the diplomatic/intelligence moves. The US also will supply forces close to Russia's border with military equipment. The whole purpose of supplying Ukranian forces (without our intelligence, money and arms, they would have lost) is to weaken and overextend the Russian state. The end goal is regime change probably, but simply reducing Russia's ability to project power is more realistic. This is just grand chessboard power politics, plain and simple- Ukraine's form of government does not matter.

 

[Denter]

Sounds like WWII all over again. Nazi's killing Jews? Who gives a fuck!

Why do you think the Second World War was fought? When did it start?

Making WW2 "about the Jews" is ironically more of a NS position than anything the Allies said at the time.

 

[Denter]

Yea i jumped in since you said " so far many of the worse accusations have been blatantly false with little evidence to back it up"

The worst accusations are the ones i mentioned and they have been confirmed

Yea russia is still doing more war crime stuff not wrong on that

Ironically Cole Train seems to have the most sober position on this war, despite living right next to Russia.

 

[Denter]

Ukraine needs to keep a iron control of its press.. that's sadly one of the most important things for Ukraine's morale and outlook.

Yes. The government has taken control of the content and editorial tone of the tv channels there, as well as banning opposition parties. This is basically necessary if you are fighting a serious war.

 

[SandisLL]

Two reasons: 1) for about ten years, the US has viewed Russia as a direct adversary, for a variety of reasons, and because of that we 2) seek to weaken and limit Russian power by diplomacy and by proxy. This means the US is looking for ways to weaken and reduce Russia's ability to cause trouble. The easiest and least costly way to do this is to pull away Russian satellite states that are economically important to Russia. This was attempted in 2020 in Belarus, 2021 in Kazakhstan, Armenia, etc but the big prize was Ukraine- which had much of the Russian defense plant, was deeply economically intertwined with the Russian economy, and hosted its Black Sea fleet. That's the diplomatic/intelligence moves. The US also will supply forces close to Russia's border with military equipment. The whole purpose of supplying Ukranian forces (without our intelligence, money and arms, they would have lost) is to weaken and overextend the Russian state. The end goal is regime change probably, but simply reducing Russia's ability to project power is more realistic. This is just grand chessboard power politics, plain and simple- Ukraine's form of government does not matter.

U.S had pissed off from Ukr long ago.
Even had refused to sell them Stingers in 2021.

And despite Ukr had some top positions....
Nothing enough important for U.S and EU.
In real sense.
Wheat export ? Depends from harvest....
5-13% world export market.
Vegatable oils?
Ukr was major supplier to EU.
While ; A. Manucfaturing this is under quotas.EU is capable really more.
B. Approx 40% from vegetable oils from plants rised in EU are turned into " Greta's " biodiesel...

In some countries this most likely will be cancelled and then....

 

[KnightTemplar]

The Chief of the Russian Defence Staff requested a telephone call with the Chief of the British Defence Staff. The Russian repeated the claims that the Ukraine were about to detonate a Dirty Bomb in a Russian-controlled area. The British CDS rejected the claim outright and reiterated Britain's support for Ukraine.