International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[Limbo Pete]

Both sides are cut from the same cloth. Naive posters in this thread think that because Russia invaded Ukraine, that automatically makes Ukraine the 'good' guys. They are far from it. ...but the media being biased, will only tell this story one-sided.

 

[Denter]

Please provide links or don't say you seen anything. People are constantly asking me to provide proof same to others. I do always.

You really want me to go back through random telegram channels and find it? So that you can post something from a Ukrainian government official "debunking" it and claim victory? No thanks. If you think "your side" isn't doing these things you are either a child or have gotten your emotions wrapped up to the point you can't think.

 

[A Lurker]

Stop being a hater or you will be on his ignore list.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Stop being a hater or you will be on his ignore list.

too late!

 

[A Lurker]

Both sides are cut from the same cloth. Naive posters in this thread think that because Russia invaded Ukraine, that automatically makes Ukraine the 'good' guys. They are far from it. ...but the media being biased, will only tell this story one-sided.

One side invaded the other and have been raping, looting and torturing as if it’s doctrine.

A side you continue to defend with your nonsensical posts.

 

[Denter]

Easily.....
U.S like China are getting from europe more than from trade with Russia....
U.K too.
Each of them at least 15X more than from trade with Russia.....

In different ways.
Russian market can't replace this not with number of customers not ofc with customers income value per capita.

The same is about investors and companies providing services and licenses profit and investors from both sides....europe and these countries.

Also weapons and LNG sales.
Bounds market etc etc.....

We literally have the world's largest navy and airforce, huge oceans separating us, and the ability to be self sufficient in everything we need. It's literally just propaganda, same dumb idea as "we have to fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here." It's a cliche.

Sorry Euro bros, Russia is really your problem, at the end of the day. Based on how badly the war in Ukraine has gone, though, not much of a problem.

 

[Cole train]

What if France implements a full draft like Ukraine?
France currently has the Service National Universal (SNU), mandatory for all male and female citizens aged 16 to 25. It started in 2021. This compulsory service lasts for a month. The French Army could easily defeat the Ukrainian Army. Better soldiers, better leadership, and better training. Only thing keeping the Ukrainian Army above water is Western help - mostly (75%) from the United States. US intel, training, money, and equipment. The reason Ukraine looks so strong is because Russia looks so weak.

Well if france had conscription service then things would be different but thats not reality now

Dont know about leadership or training since havent served in either but heard ukr had fairly good system before this shitshow thanks to us/nato training staff there, problem for ukr is gear really which france is ahead by far. You are correct about west keeping ukr floating

Btw one month of training is nothing you should know this if you served. Its bare basics,

 

[A Lurker]

Btw one month of training is nothing you should know this if you served. Its bare basics,

shots fired

 

[Cole train]

shots fired

I mean i dont intend to offend said poster but one month is nothing really, anyone who has served anywhere knows this.

Basic training usually lasts around 2 to 4 months plus specialization after it

 

[SandisLL]

We literally have the world's largest navy and airforce, huge oceans separating us, and the ability to be self sufficient in everything we need. It's literally just propaganda, same dumb idea as "we have to fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here." It's a cliche.

Sorry Euro bros, Russia is really your problem, at the end of the day. Based on how badly the war in Ukraine has gone, though, not much of a problem.

I don't use mainstream propaganda from mass media.
I use excel type charts.

I agree that Russia is our european problem.
Not US problem.

While US doesn't want to cease sell us bounds and overrated weapons versions......
Also too expenesive software licenses....
Too high fees for access to trading platforms.
Too expensive LNG.
Heavily overrated weapons ....yeah.
Too expensive soybean oil.
Etc....

Also sorry, U.S isn't lucrative as tanks supplier for money.
Asiats are more realible cos are capable to deliver faster....

 

[Blayt7hh]

You just said 'I think it could end up with an air conflict where we start shooting down anything that gets too close to our planes.' Isn't that NATO vs. Russia? i.e. war? And that would be NATO escalating which is why I brought up NATO not setting up a no-fly zone. But now you say they'll shoot down Russian planes, how would that not be contradictory?

I’m not sure why you’re so confused. The story you shared was about a Russian plane shooting at a British plane. If they shoot down a NATO plane, I’m saying that we would probably start shouting down anything that gets close to our planes. Our planes are not flying over Ukraine right now. What is the confusion?

 

[Blayt7hh]

We literally have the world's largest navy and airforce, huge oceans separating us, and the ability to be self sufficient in everything we need. It's literally just propaganda, same dumb idea as "we have to fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here." It's a cliche.

Sorry Euro bros, Russia is really your problem, at the end of the day. Based on how badly the war in Ukraine has gone, though, not much of a problem.

World stability benefits America more than any other country. It’s a huge blow to us economically when the world order gets disrupted. That’s why we do it

 

[SandisLL]

If trump will win elections we will further reduce our exposure in U.S companies shares and treasury bonds....
Simple reality.
We already had reduced.... after donald first time took office....

Sorry bros....your finances and other stuff too is your own problem if you aren't hegemony in europe....
Simple game....simple math.

 

[SandisLL]

World stability benefits America more than any other country. It’s a huge blow to us economically when the world order it s disrupted. That’s why we do it

This.
Even China always was angry if eur dropped a bit.

For example I have some services contracts with fixed payments in EUR.
Company is american.
So they for example will get said sum monthly in EUR regardless...will exchange rate be 1,2 USD or 0.97 USD for 1 EUR....
Isn't this difference have you in pocket 970 or 1200 bucks?
This just first small example from real life.

 

[Strychnine]

Russian soldiers 'living in holes they have dug with their bare hands' in Ukraine

"The soldiers, who say they are from Krasnodar in southern Russia, claim that after a month of being transported between different locations, they were dropped off "somewhere in the fields of Ukraine" with no radio, no ammunition and no medicine. They say they do not even know where they are.

The men add that they are living in holes dug out of the ground with their bare hands as temperatures drop to zero at night time. Two people are so sick they need to be hospitalised, the men say.

"There is no information, no command. We sit like on [tenterhooks], because we do not know where are our own [and] where are the enemy. No radio, no cartridges, no s***," one says."




Russian soldiers 'living in holes they have dug with their bare hands' in Ukraine (msn.com)

 

[SandisLL]

Most likely again logistic problems.
On paper Russia should have 0 problems to supply it's all (!) inhabitants with food and soldiers with ammunition.

While in reality looks that some logistic problems with supplies delivery?

 

[SandisLL]

Well if france had conscription service then things would be different but thats not reality now

Dont know about leadership or training since havent served in either but heard ukr had fairly good system before this shitshow thanks to us/nato training staff there, problem for ukr is gear really which france is ahead by far. You are correct about west keeping ukr floating

Btw one month of training is nothing you should know this if you served. Its bare basics,

Conscription service isn't true backbone in military.
It is always pros. Even in countries like Russia or China....

And next layer is people deeply interested in military so far that they are willing for free do training while they are working in civilian life and paying tax.
Such stuff is in some countries called as National Guard.
Only really small % from ppl in National guards are paid for participating.

National Guard idea is voluntary service for homeland for free. While working somewhere and ofc paying tax.
In best case these are ppl - backbone as fundament for their country. Core.

Then next stuff are special units and here I don't mean riot control pavians.
Anti terrorism units, special units for criminal police and security service under gov...

Border guards - pros......
Custom inspectors - pros....

Only after this are conscripts.........

Ofc it is good that country does have a lot of trained guys.... to some extent.

While someone still should operate tanks, self propelled hotwizers and MRLS launchers....
SAM systems etc.....

Even in USSR they assesed what kind of civil speciality you had before assigned somewhere.
For example someone after 4 years trade school in field where he is usable for military.
Military always needs some specialists and if for free even well trained beginner is good solution...
Especially if to bear in mind that trade schools and engineering diplomas were after mando practical work in field...

 

[Denter]

What if France implements a full draft like Ukraine?
France currently has the Service National Universal (SNU), mandatory for all male and female citizens aged 16 to 25. It started in 2021. This compulsory service lasts for a month. The French Army could easily defeat the Ukrainian Army. Better soldiers, better leadership, and better training. Only thing keeping the Ukrainian Army above water is Western help - mostly (75%) from the United States. US intel, training, money, and equipment. The reason Ukraine looks so strong is because Russia looks so weak.

The French army is pretty sharp and would mop the floor with the Russian one IMO. Honestly that EU Army (under French command) is sounding like a pretty good idea these days.

 

[Denter]

I don't use mainstream propaganda from mass media.
I use excel type charts.

I agree that Russia is our european problem.
Not US problem.

While US doesn't want to cease sell us bounds and overrated weapons versions......
Also too expenesive software licenses....
Too high fees for access to trading platforms.
Too expensive LNG.
Heavily overrated weapons ....yeah.
Too expensive soybean oil.
Etc....

Also sorry, U.S isn't lucrative as tanks supplier for money.
Asiats are more realible cos are capable to deliver faster....

Facts.

 

[Denter]

World stability benefits America more than any other country. It’s a huge blow to us economically when the world order gets disrupted. That’s why we do it

That's not why we're doing this. If it were, the US- led sanctions would not have been put in place. The sanctions are far, far more disruptive to the world economically than the war is. That's not why we did what we did.