International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[San Marino]

1) 70% of Americans don't have the intelligence or knowledge necessary to see the ramifications of letting Russia win. Popularity or lack thereof does not prove correctness.

Yes, they do. Same story in Korea and Vietnam. Fight the enemy now before it takes over all of Europe. Russia is not going to take over all of Europe. Give Russia Eastern Ukraine, they are all pro-Russia anyway. A lot of death to save a people that don't want to be Ukrainians to start out with.

2) The US is invading Mexico and needs weapons from Europe?

We are? That is news to me.

3) The US is not wasting nearly as much money as you're making it out to be, those weapons had to be produced and that's part of the American economy.

Yes, we are. You call $15 billion dollars nothing? That is money that could have gone towards, fighting crime, border security, and a current drug use/overdose problem. Other countries need help too. Besides Israel, South Korea, and Taiwan, I can think of another 2.

4) Why post if you're allergic to feedback?

It is not feedback mate. It is called, flaming, trolling, and off-topic discussion. I managed to weed out most of the idiots in this thread. There are still some. Good posters address the issue, not the person. Some of the posters in this thread are dumber than a box of bricks.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

 

[Blayt7hh]

Yea its number 2 or number 3 superpower waging war.There will be back up.

Think China will be west number 1 enemy in future, they are probably jumping from happiness with how this war has destroyed rus operational capability outside borders for next 10 years

This could also be good for Russia in the long run. The glaring deficiencies in their military has been exposed in a conflict that won’t cost them the whole farm. If they’re paying attention, they can fix them. It’s going to take a long time though as some of that stuff is going to take a generational shift in thinking

 

[San Marino]

Because Ukraine isn't a local matter of a district, it's a foreign policy matter in which you don't have a say, but people with expertise on the subject.

Like Vietnam was?
People with expertise. <Lmaoo> Who would that be? The CIA?

Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe, after Russia.

It is getting smaller. France is about to take 2nd largest in Europe.

It is in America's interest to defend it's partners (not just the benefit of the partner), it is mutual long-term gains.

True, but is Ukraine an American partner? It is not even a member of NATO. Ukraine is as corrupt as Russia. The only thing saving Ukraine is that Russia invaded it. Did Ukraine give two-shits about the United States prior to the Russian invasion?

And it isn't a matter of choice if you want to be engaged in those decisions or not, you simply have to behave a certain way.

What way would that be? How do you know it is the right way? Who decides that?
So far, the US has not gained anything from this war. It has lost a lot of money and equipment. Soon it may be losing men.

Being a winner on foreign policy matters has it's benefits for the internal life of all Americans indirectly.

Well, we Americans have sucked at it thus far. Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam. Intentions are good at the beginning, but after 5 years things begin to fall apart. Also: China, Iran, and North Korea.

No european country would have the balls anymore to say no to Putin's future demands and all of your european partners would hesitate to continue co-operation in the security and in the economic sphere too.

Why not? Europe needs adult supervision from the US? I think France, Germany, Britain, and Italy can handle Putin and Russia just fine. We Americans have better things to worry about. Those 4 countries can create their own alliance and fund it. They sure as shit have not done much to help sustain NATO prior to Russia's invasion.

 

[Rod1]

Yes, we are. You call $15 billion dollars nothing? That is money that could have gone towards, fighting crime, border security, and a current drug use/overdose problem. Other countries need help too. Besides Israel, South Korea, and Taiwan, I can think of another 2.

No, it can't because Republicans would block it.

And the $15 billions dollars will be made back in arms sales, i mean HIMARS is already the hot shit to buy for all nations.

 

[Blayt7hh]

1) 70% of Americans don't have the intelligence or knowledge necessary to see the ramifications of letting Russia win. Popularity or lack thereof does not prove correctness.
2) The US is invading Mexico and needs weapons from Europe?
3) The US is not wasting nearly as much money as you're making it out to be, those weapons had to be produced and that's part of the American economy.
4) Why post if you're allergic to feedback? Just keep a diary.

Don't bother responding to him with anything real. In his simpleton view, this is really about the alt right-wingers vs the dems. If you bother to present him with reality, he throws a tantrum and threatens to put you on ignore. A true beta through and through.

 

[Blayt7hh]

China smashes Russia with ease.

China has an insane % of their military budget going towards R&D and have for a long time now. In all likelihood there isn't much of a tech differential, actually probably an advantage to China. China is trying to catch America, they have a massive economy which supports an insane R&D budget, it's going to yield results. They obviously aren't catching America any time soon but they're likely to be at least on parity with Russia if not surpassing them.

Then you have the manufacturing capacity.

Can you imagine how many cheap loitering munitions China would be able to produce in a year? How many of their HIMARS knockoffs and the accompanying rockets?

You don't need a competent military when you can produce millions of smart munitions in a year.

I dunno. China would probably face some serious logistical problems of their own if they went to war. We know Russia couldn't invade them, so the war would take plus on Russian soil. There is a loooooot of inhospitable land between China and the heart of Russia.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Yes, they do. Same story in Korea and Vietnam. Fight the enemy now before it takes over all of Europe. Russia is not going to take over all of Europe. Give Russia Eastern Ukraine, they are all pro-Russia anyway. A lot of death to save a people that don't want to be Ukrainians to start out with.

We are? That is news to me.

Yes, we are. You call $15 billion dollars nothing? That is money that could have gone towards, fighting crime, border security, and a current drug use/overdose problem. Other countries need help too. Besides Israel, South Korea, and Taiwan, I can think of another 2.

It is not feedback mate. It is called, flaming, trolling, and off-topic discussion. I managed to weed out most of the idiots in this thread. There are still some. Good posters address the issue, not the person. Some of the posters in this thread are dumber than a box of bricks.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

Get a load of this guy thinking eastern Ukraine is ours to give
Classic imperialist mindset

 

[Blayt7hh]

It seems like we got nearer to WWIII. A Russian fighter tried to shoot down an RAF surveillance plane in the Black Sea about 3 weeks ago but luckily failed.

I don't think this would necessarily lead to WW3. For one, I don't really blame them for shooting at a spy plane near where they are operating. I think it could end up with an air conflict where we start shooting down anything that gets too close to our planes.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Yes, they do. Same story in Korea and Vietnam. Fight the enemy now before it takes over all of Europe. Russia is not going to take over all of Europe. Give Russia Eastern Ukraine, they are all pro-Russia anyway. A lot of death to save a people that don't want to be Ukrainians to start out with.

We are? That is news to me.

Yes, we are. You call $15 billion dollars nothing? That is money that could have gone towards, fighting crime, border security, and a current drug use/overdose problem. Other countries need help too. Besides Israel, South Korea, and Taiwan, I can think of another 2.

It is not feedback mate. It is called, flaming, trolling, and off-topic discussion. I managed to weed out most of the idiots in this thread. There are still some. Good posters address the issue, not the person. Some of the posters in this thread are dumber than a box of bricks.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

This wont happen, giving Russia any kind of victory wont be acceptable other wise just gives Putin more motivation like he has after taking crimea.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Putin's propadumbos are now beginning to settle for tiny achievements.

That they aren't going to make <45>

God, it's bad when that's state TV.

 

[Badr Hari]

Europe needs adult supervision from the US?

Yes, and if this war hasn't convinced you, I don't know what will. If your stance is 'fuck Europe, leave them all on their own' it's a legitimate stance. Putin wouldn't mind seeing NATO dissolved and have an office in Berlin once again and tell germans and italians how they should consider cutting trades with the US and give them some 'cheap' gas and oil too in return. Not sure if it turns out to be the most profitable scenario for americans themselves though. If you leave Europe to fold, not sure partners in other continents will trust you anymore either. You are looking only at the wars in which the US relatively failed, but you are not seeing other ties the US has established with all of Europe for 80 years through consistent foreign policy decisions regardless of which party rules internally. Those relations depend on security guarantees too. If alliances are gone, those ties are gone. And no one is irreplaceable. Someone else will build alliances and new ties. With Turkey, with Greece, with Ukraine, with Germany and Italy too, with independent Switzerland why not. Not to mention the smaller less capable countries turning into volunteers of the new block in a second.

Also if you think Putin only wants eastern Ukraine and than it's all fine, than we shouldn't even continue talking. It means you've never paid attention to what him and the russian establishment have been saying since the beginning and simply don't understand the nature of this conflict.

 

[SandisLL]

No, it can't because Republicans would block it.

And the $15 billions dollars will be made back in arms sales, i mean HIMARS is already the hot shit to buy for all nations.

From one point yeah, however US will lost their importance in europe if dudes like San Marino will win...
& why to buy LNG from U.S if Russian natural gas is cheaper?
It is reasonable solution only IF U.S is strong in europe.
Only then.

The same about weapons sales: U.S weapons are expensive.
China might sell for cheaper price.


Financial system etc too.
If U.S will be weak, why reason to buy bounds?

Marino is guy who is thinking that he is smart.
He isn't.

U.S already managed to get LNG and weapons sales deals xxx b and Marino is crying about 15 b spendings....
So predictable.

 

[lsa]

ISW: The Russian court of Kherson has begun
Russia has begun to withdraw from the occupied region of Kherson in southern Ukraine, writes the American think tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW) in a press release.

The Russian army is said to have put 2,000 mobilized soldiers to hold the front line and shell Ukrainian positions, likely to hide the justice of the Ukrainian forces.

"It is highly unlikely that Russia's poorly trained, newly mobilized reservists can withstand a Ukrainian counterattack if Ukrainian forces choose to attack and chase the retreating forces," writes the think tank.

According to ISW, Russia is likely to blow up the Kakhovka power plant dam to cover its claim. On Thursday, Ukrainian President Zelensky stated that the Russian forces had mined the dam.

 

[Limbo Pete]

ISW: The Russian court of Kherson has begun
Russia has begun to withdraw from the occupied region of Kherson in southern Ukraine, writes the American think tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW) in a press release.

The Russian army is said to have put 2,000 mobilized soldiers to hold the front line and shell Ukrainian positions, likely to hide the justice of the Ukrainian forces.

"It is highly unlikely that Russia's poorly trained, newly mobilized reservists can withstand a Ukrainian counterattack if Ukrainian forces choose to attack and chase the retreating forces," writes the think tank.

According to ISW, Russia is likely to blow up the Kakhovka power plant dam to cover its claim. On Thursday, Ukrainian President Zelensky stated that the Russian forces had mined the dam.

if they blow up that fucking dam

 

[lsa]

if they blow up that fucking dam

We have to wait and see.
But I am sure they will blame it on the Ukrainians. They already have.

Also it seems Russia is once again retreating to victory.............

 

[Limbo Pete]

We have to wait and see.
But I am sure they will blame it on the Ukrainians. They already have.

Also it seems Russia is once again retreating to victory.............

It will be a monstrous catastrophe
I mean that whole area is full of towns and villages, isn't it?
Dear god, it would be horrific

 

[squeezewax]

Trying to hide the truth in the Ukraine.
https://odysee.com/@OurFreeSociety:2/Theyre-trying-to-hide-the-Nazi-truth-in-Ukraine:3

 

[San Marino]

If you leave Europe to fold, not sure partners in other continents will trust you anymore either.

How exactly is Europe going to fold? Isn't the Ukrainian Army destroying the Russian Amy with little training?

If alliances are gone, those ties are gone. And no one is irreplaceable.

What alliances? The 25% Europe provided the US in Iraq and Afghanistan? France, Germany, and Britain just could not wait to join the fight - not! All three played minor roles.

Also if you think Putin only wants eastern Ukraine and than it's all fine, than we shouldn't even continue talking. It means you've never paid attention to what him and the russian establishment have been saying since the beginning and simply don't understand the nature of this conflict.

Russia can't defeat Ukraine in 8 months. What makes you thin they will take over the whole of Ukraine and all of Europe?

Good morning fellow members watching this conflict unfold. Who is winning? Of course, this war has been so sterilized it is hard to tell what truth is and what is a lie. The intel community would have you think that Ukraine is all unicorns and rainbows, and Russia is all death and destruction - and yet Russia is still in Ukraine. Our wonderful intel community, the CIA, keeps getting it wrong. Nothing new here. They fucked up in Grenada, Panama, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Why should Ukraine be any different? A lot of American soldiers killed due to poor intelligence. Those CIA boys and girls 'primadonnas' with their PhDs who have never spent a day in combat. Their daily priority is making sure the coffee is hot and the donuts are fresh.

A moderator wrote to me and said that the 'War Room' was not like the 'Mayberry.' It does not hand out as many infractions. Flamming, Trolling, and Derailing are normal. No shit! You can get nasty in the WR. The gloves are off! Said I should just ignore the idiots in this thread. He also agreed there were a few. I said, why bother? I have my views and they have theirs. Neither side is changing the other's point of view.

Zelensky has a nice Christmas list of things he wants from Biden. Like yesterday. More money, weapons and training. What does the US get in return? Nothing. Zelensky does not really care about American problems. All he wants are his weapons and money - for free. Fuck US opinion on the war and the billions being spent. This is Ukraine we are talking - the center of the universe. I don't recall all this hate towards the US when we invaded Iraq (on false information - WMD) and Afghanistan. At least Korea and Vietnam were by invitation. I'm guessing 3 more years of war with neither side having a victory. Could be wrong, just like the CIA. Meanwhile no one cares what is going on in Myanmar (10,000+ casualties), Afghanistan, Congo, Ethiopia, Mali, Nigeria, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen. Of course, Ukraine is more important than the other countries. ULM: Ukrainian Lives Matter.

 

[San Marino]

Trying to hide the truth in the Ukraine.
https://odysee.com/@OurFreeSociety:2/Theyre-trying-to-hide-the-Nazi-truth-in-Ukraine:3

Bingo! ...and there it is. The truth comes out. Good video mate, but folks will say it is propaganda. Why? Because Russia invaded Ukraine.

 

[Rholk]

Damn, seems like someone forgot to tell the Ukrainians there is no point in fighting