International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[jimbob27]

Have you seen a Chinese MRE? I think we'll be okay.

This is exactly why we shouldn't underestimate them. They might have secretly been watched Steve1989MRE's youtube channel and improved their recipes based on his reviews.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Highly doubt it. We've hoped that for months. He's blatantly killing off anyone who even mildly questions him. I don't really see where that's gonna come from. Only slightly viable option would be some HIGH ranking feared military official who's kid is conscripted and dies and has enough sway to raise a military coup.

I don't think it's likely. The country is mentally fucked they genuinely believe what they're doing is right, due to propaganda. Said general would be more likely to demand nukes to avenge his child than turn on Putin. They're fucked man, there's no turning back for them.

I agree with a lot of what you say but simple question is how does this end? I dont see anyway this ends with Putin still in power should Ukraine push Russia back to their border.

 

[aries]

I think the change has already happened. In recent years military analysts have suspected China may be close or even surpassing Russia in terms of equipment and capablility. Now Russia's military has now been fully exposed as being so much worse than anyone thought, in pretty much every area possible.

China might be bad since they don't have much experience of successful modern warfare, but they still have the benefit of the doubt. I'm pretty sure Sun Tzu had some wise words about not underestimating your enemy. If only the dumbass Russians had read his book they wouldn't be 240 days into a 3 day operation.

The thing with China is they aren't reckless and incompetent like the Russians. They don't leave things to chance. They don't have war time experience but they won't risk anything in some hubris. When China is a serious threat it will be obvious because they will have been doing a lot of rehearsals before that day.

 

[PEB]

 

[PEB]

It seems like we got nearer to WWIII. A Russian fighter tried to shoot down an RAF surveillance plane in the Black Sea about 3 weeks ago but luckily failed.

Not really this is common of Russia sending planes out and do warning shots that's why the plane continued flying.

 

[PEB]

J Conor Kennedy JFK great-nephew went and an assisted in Ukraine.

 

[PEB]

 

[San Marino]

So, if 70% of Americans don't give two-shits about Ukraine, why are we (the United Staes) funding this war?
When will Germany, France, and Britain start funding our own invasion in the Southern border?
Oh yeah, they don't give two-shits about the USA. Let those stupid Americans waste their money away on a war that affects us in Europe.
For all the 'dickheads' in my ignore list, I will not be answering your stupid comments. Sorry! Have a nice day.

 

[Limbo Pete]

So, if 70% of Americans don't give two-shits about Ukraine, why are we (the United Staes) funding this war?
When will Germany, France, and Britain start funding our own invasion in the Southern border?
Oh yeah, they don't give two-shits about the USA. Let those stupid Americans waste their money away on a war that affects us in Europe.
For all the 'dickheads' in my ignore list, I will not be answering your stupid comments. Sorry! Have a nice day.

 

[Denter]

Fake news, this is just propaganda according to @Denter

What's the scope? These things have happened in this war and in all wars. Ukrainians have also used human shields, killed prisoners, shot civilians, etc. The whole purpose of propaganda like this is to get people with low impulse control whipped into a frenzy. These things don't impact our strategic aims, the morality of the war, etc. They simply serve to dehumanize the enemy.

If you saw irrefutable proof of Ukrainian militia executing collaborators, or using human shields, or torturing POWs, would you stop supporting them?

Or would you ask, quite intelligently, how common it was? Is this official AFU policy? Was this just part of the chaos of war? Of course you would, because you aren't emotionally blinded by anger towards the AFU.

 

[PEB]

So, if 70% of Americans don't give two-shits about Ukraine, why are we (the United Staes) funding this war?
When will Germany, France, and Britain start funding our own invasion in the Southern border?
Oh yeah, they don't give two-shits about the USA. Let those stupid Americans waste their money away on a war that affects us in Europe.
For all the 'dickheads' in my ignore list, I will not be answering your stupid comments. Sorry! Have a nice day.

Stop it you're showing how out of touch you truly are an how much is Russia paying you comrade.

 

[Cid]

I think the change has already happened. In recent years military analysts have suspected China may be close or even surpassing Russia in terms of equipment and capablility. Now Russia's military has now been fully exposed as being so much worse than anyone thought, in pretty much every area possible.

China might be bad since they don't have much experience of successful modern warfare, but they still have the benefit of the doubt. I'm pretty sure Sun Tzu had some wise words about not underestimating your enemy. If only the dumbass Russians had read his book they wouldn't be 240 days into a 3 day operation.

China smashes Russia with ease.

China has an insane % of their military budget going towards R&D and have for a long time now. In all likelihood there isn't much of a tech differential, actually probably an advantage to China. China is trying to catch America, they have a massive economy which supports an insane R&D budget, it's going to yield results. They obviously aren't catching America any time soon but they're likely to be at least on parity with Russia if not surpassing them.

Then you have the manufacturing capacity.

Can you imagine how many cheap loitering munitions China would be able to produce in a year? How many of their HIMARS knockoffs and the accompanying rockets?

You don't need a competent military when you can produce millions of smart munitions in a year.

 

[PEB]

 

[The_Renaissance]

They did, they said the missile firing was a 'malfunction' lol

Yeah Russia said that. They don't want war with NATO they know they may destroy lots of us, but their country will be COMPLETELY destroyed. Never to exist again.

I agree with a lot of what you say but simple question is how does this end? I dont see anyway this ends with Putin still in power should Ukraine push Russia back to their border.

No idea. Putin can't be seen to back down after all this bravado. Even if it means heavy losses. Russia exists in a vacuum....they genuinely believe what they're doing is right. This is why China won't step in - China has a ton of flaws but they're logical enough to know that nuclear war means they also don't exist anymore. Russia doesn't see it this way, which will be horrendous for their people. They genuinely are deluded enough to believe they can beat NATO .

China don't think they can, not without enormous damage to their own country and perhaps worse.

Russia is Chris Leben.

China is prime Anderson Silva.

Zelensky will not relent either.

This probably ends up with Putin nuking Ukraine to 'save face' and then........

Yeah.

My hopes are actually on countries like Turkey and China. Countries that aren't deluded into thinking they don't need Europe or the west. But are also juggernauts when it comes to military.

Putin pushes too far and yeah, WWIII could well occur but his country will be evaporated within days. So will many other countries. But I don't think Putin really cares. He's a fucking dwarf with megalomaniac ideas.

 

[PEB]

 

[Badr Hari]

So, if 70% of Americans don't give two-shits about Ukraine, why are we (the United Staes) funding this war?

Because Ukraine isn't a local matter of a district, it's a foreign policy matter in which you don't have a say, but people with expertise on the subject. Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe, after Russia, and now probably has the third largest army in Europe. It has resources, many talented people mostly pro-US oriented and is a strategic partner for USA's foreign policy. It is in America's interest to defend it's partners (not just the benefit of the partner), it is mutual long term gains. Being a world super power automatically gives you a certain more responsible role in different matters across the globe. And it isn't a matter of choice if you want to be engaged in those decisions or not, you simply have to behave a certain way. Foreign policy is after all a continuation of internal policy. Being a winner on foreign policy matters has it's benefits for the internal life of all americans indirectly. Just like failing in those matters has an indirect negative effect on it too. Letting Putin take Ukraine with all its land, resources and most importantly it's large army would be a big L for US foreign policy. No european country would have the balls anymore to say no to Putin's future demands and all of your european partners would hesitate to continue co-operation in the security and in the economic sphere too. Things are linked.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Yeah Russia said that. They don't want war with NATO they know they may destroy lots of us, but their country will be COMPLETELY destroyed. Never to exist again.

No idea. Putin can't be seen to back down after all this bravado. Even if it means heavy losses. Russia exists in a vacuum....they genuinely believe what they're doing is right. This is why China won't step in - China has a ton of flaws but they're logical enough to know that nuclear war means they also don't exist anymore. Russia doesn't see it this way, which will be horrendous for their people. They genuinely are deluded enough to believe they can beat NATO .

China don't think they can, not without enormous damage to their own country and perhaps worse.

Russia is Chris Leben.

China is prime Anderson Silva.

Zelensky will not relent either.

This probably ends up with Putin nuking Ukraine to 'save face' and then........

Yeah.

My hopes are actually on countries like Turkey and China. Countries that aren't deluded into thinking they don't need Europe or the west. But are also juggernauts when it comes to military.

Putin pushes too far and yeah, WWIII could well occur but his country will be evaporated within days. So will many other countries. But I don't think Putin really cares. He's a fucking dwarf with megalomaniac ideas.

I think it's fairly straight forward.

Russia get beat back, and lose the war, losing all the territory they annexed.

They kick off a ton, and do a lot of pointless damage that forever pits Ukrainians against them, never to be united.

But just like with Putin's puppet Trump, it doesn't matter one jot if he admits or concedes defeat as long as he's defeated.

Fuck him.

 

[brothir]

So, if 70% of Americans don't give two-shits about Ukraine, why are we (the United Staes) funding this war?
When will Germany, France, and Britain start funding our own invasion in the Southern border?
Oh yeah, they don't give two-shits about the USA. Let those stupid Americans waste their money away on a war that affects us in Europe.
For all the 'dickheads' in my ignore list, I will not be answering your stupid comments. Sorry! Have a nice day.

1) 70% of Americans don't have the intelligence or knowledge necessary to see the ramifications of letting Russia win. Popularity or lack thereof does not prove correctness.
2) The US is invading Mexico and needs weapons from Europe?
3) The US is not wasting nearly as much money as you're making it out to be, those weapons had to be produced and that's part of the American economy.
4) Why post if you're allergic to feedback? Just keep a diary.

 

[Denter]

Are you denying this is happening??

I suppose this is just propaganda 'Marta Roscoe, 37, from Stockport, was told by an amputee in Ukraine that she was forced to watch young children be lined up and shot at by Kremlin troops.'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-soldiers-shot-ukrainian-kids-27996390

And they've found dead children with bullet holes in the back of their head, just lucky shots I guess.... c'mon don't be so naive!

The full horrors of what has happened won't probably be fully known for years.

No, I'm sure some of it is happening. I'm also aware that atrocity propaganda happens in every war and I'm urging people to recognize it and use their reason instead.

This war is essentially about whose client state Ukraine gets to be. That's it. What American interest is served by arming and funding Ukraine should be what we are talking about, not screaming about how the orcs exist solely to drink the blood of children. If you think our support of Ukraine is morally necessary, you'd have to explain why we supported and still support armies that have done way worse across the globe.

 

[Denter]

China smashes Russia with ease.

China has an insane % of their military budget going towards R&D and have for a long time now. In all likelihood there isn't much of a tech differential, actually probably an advantage to China. China is trying to catch America, they have a massive economy which supports an insane R&D budget, it's going to yield results. They obviously aren't catching America any time soon but they're likely to be at least on parity with Russia if not surpassing them.

Then you have the manufacturing capacity.

Can you imagine how many cheap loitering munitions China would be able to produce in a year? How many of their HIMARS knockoffs and the accompanying rockets?

You don't need a competent military when you can produce millions of smart munitions in a year.

Hopefully the people at the top avoid that war. It's not inevitable and there's no good reason to fight it IMO.