International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[SandisLL]

Nuclear artillery shells in USSR weren't produced to minimize radiation or for surgical strikes...

Cos idea was: if East Germany will fold under western tanks attack, then they will use nuclear artillery shells on enemy tanks groups...

Later in 1970 ies attention to nuclear artillery had fall ...
Because missiles like Thocka and Scud offered reach range till 70-90 km and Scud till 300 km.
While 203 mm Pion at best approx 50 km....


Maybe they had improved some shells but....
IMHO they doesn't have large stocks with them cos maintenance and production costs and reality that it is easier to tell than to do this maintenance for NA shells...
Also cos control vs illegit use is difficult to ensure...


For SCUD they really had a lot of nuclear warheads...in some 1970 ies and early 1980 ies...

 

[SandisLL]

There are multiple reasons why they will not use tactical nukes.

First is internal propaganda....
In west we had saw how overrated russian military is....
Especially highly touted air defense and modern missiles, helicopter Ka 52 and so on....

In Russia they still are able to ensure population that ....their highly touted weapons are excellent....and find xxxx excuses why something didn't worked....


While IF they will use tactical nuke vs non nuclear armed state....even casaul pleb in village might start to think that........yeah....maybe can't beat with these xx years advertised superweapons shitty fake small fake nation....


Other reasons are that decision makers in not rare cases have cancerofobia....
Putin and Patrushev IMHO does have....and huge...
And investments in xxxx things located in xxx areas....including ppl...and mortgage etc....

 

[SandisLL]

If about sanctions on Russia...
It is not all here as is portrayed by Kremlin's propaganda....
Some countries even are getting more profit and chances to get more impact if sanctions on Russia will be even increased not remowed...and might afford to keep them even 100 years in row...

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Energy stuff too is debatable....
Due to prices for energoresources rise...the same wind power plants in some cases appeared as tool to keep electricity prices down....
In 2020 th some farms were able to produce electricity with market price just few % higher than if used NG....and 2021 th this was 0 question....

Some wind farms in europe had been profitable with 0 credits and subsidies....

Ofc depends from location and possibility to accumulate energy if there is low demand and high supply....
Pumped storage hydroelectric power plants are nothing new in Western europe and Lithuania...
Even Poland does have some...

Idea is: when you have high supply and low demand, you pump water up in the upper pool...
When demand is high and supply low....you let water to run and move turbines....

Problem is that PSHP is expensive to build and it takes long time and requires specific geographical and geolocigal pre requistes ....

The same Luxembourg, Italy, Germany, France, Belgium, Lithuania and Poland does knows what this stuff is..... long ago....
Nothing new....

Protrayed by Kremlin story: we will cut natural gas supplies to Finland and will not sell electricity and without our wood their industry will collapse ....
Already had failed as fake propaganda...
0 blackouts... wood industry is working smoothly....

They most likely still didn't had get that electricity had been bought cos speculants were able to earn more if bought from Russia and sold in EU.
Not cos Finland can't produce .....

 

[SandisLL]

Idk man the French military is pretty sharp.

Yeah. Maybe better than Russia's.
But politicans aren't. For example no one from these president candidates and for a reason one lad is callee macaron...and other candidates were even more worse than macaron.

We during xx years don't count France as real part of NATO and especially as nation with nukes.
You should have balls to sign paper....only then you really have nukes...

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Lol I forgot to tag @idrankyourbeer

speaking of which, i know its been a good while and i had nothing to report of until tonight but wait for it.....






wait for it....




wait for it....






BOOM SUCKA!

 

[KnightTemplar]

It is a legitimate concern, and the possibility is always there. It just seems like from the perspective of Putin,or even the far right in the Kremlin, that there isn't a whole lot to be gained from using tactical nukes, and it would cause more problems than its worth. I'd actually be more concerned if it was someone like Kim Jong-Un in this situation, who has basically nobody to answer to and less to lose.

I agree with most of your post, but I suspect that if Fat Boy tried to use any Nukes, the Chinese would cut his hand off before he pressed the Big Red Button. Best Korea will always bend the knee to China.

 

[Vergilius]

Goths got it from Greeks, Mongols got it from Goths, Russians got it from Mongols and it’s been Russian ever since. Compare that to however many times northern Italy has been invaded. It could be taken if the Russians completely collapse, but I think they would dig in, and fight for every inch since there would not be evacuations in this scenario and the Ukrainians aren’t going to be particularly nice to captured Russians.

Romans and Byzantines held it too - and the Russians didn't get it from the Mongols: you are leaving out the Ottoman empire and Crimean Tartars. It only became Russian in 1783. The Brits and French beat the Russians there in the Crimean war 1850'ies, then it was fought over and conquered several times during the Russian revolution. Then the Germans took it in WWII.

 

[SanchoMF]

Yeah. Maybe better than Russia's.
But politicans aren't. For example no one from these president candidates and for a reason one lad is callee macaron...and other candidates were even more worse than macaron.

We during xx years don't count France as real part of NATO and especially as nation with nukes.
You should have balls to sign paper....only then you really have nukes...

Ah France !
That's because France will more gladly stay "neutral" and play their own game, instead of feeling to be dictated by the US or to a degree supported by the UK. One of the essential parts of a dwindling world power.. This philosophy is present with the right and the left, at least with the historical parties and political movements.

I can't help to applaud the 'old' French attitude of totally unrivalled self-worth, which can produce great indigenous things (technology and engineering for example), but it produces as much contradiction, mistakes and obstacles at the same time (also technology and engineering for example).

Macron is "new wave", openly pro-EU but only if he/France gets to dictate its direction.
I'm sure he and the French military are assessing, hard, what the future will bring and which position to take with Russia's threat for example.. And they're most likely talking with the Germans and other 'big' EU-nations, who've been nothing but shit stains, in military sense.

 

[AWilder]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ussian-armys-performance-over-ukraine-retreat

Kadyrov, the fake warlord with his Gucci sneakers, talks tough.

“If today or tomorrow no changes in strategy are made, I will be forced to speak with the leadership of the defence ministry and the leadership of the country to explain the real situation on the ground to them. It’s a very interesting situation. It’s astounding, I would say."

Good luck, bruv.

Be sure to tell Putin, who took control of the offensive a few months ago, how inept he is.

Do so in person; it will have more resonance.

just stay away from windows...

 

[Bacco]

Chechens role in this phase is bizzarre Just read on italian news site that Kadyrov first openly criticized russian strategy in a moment Putin was already criticized, now seems they will send "elite" troops to support/control russian soldier operate, but same news said could be like back to april when chechen troops executed 3 russian soldiers that wanted to quit

Wonder if Putin is feeling pushed to use more chechens to avoid having to involve more russians

 

[SanchoMF]

Chechens role in this phase is bizzarre Just read on italian news site that Kadyrov first openly criticized russian strategy in a moment Putin was already criticized, now seems they will send "elite" troops to support/control russian soldier operate, but same news said could be like back to april when chechen troops executed 3 russian soldiers that wanted to quit

Wonder if Putin is feeling pushed to use more chechens to avoid having to involve more russians

Kadyrov’s two functioning brain cells aren’t happy, his troops just got another proper ass-whooping late last week.. He pledged his commitment, sent his untrained monkey-men to shoot TikTok vids, got raped and isn’t happy. Like Vladdy, he’s happy to blame someone or anyone else for the situation he puts himself into..
The only positive outcome is that he gets slapped, which is something he desperately needs.

 

[lsa]

Chechens role in this phase is bizzarre Just read on italian news site that Kadyrov first openly criticized russian strategy in a moment Putin was already criticized, now seems they will send "elite" troops to support/control russian soldier operate, but same news said could be like back to april when chechen troops executed 3 russian soldiers that wanted to quit

Wonder if Putin is feeling pushed to use more chechens to avoid having to involve more russians

Yeah thats such a morale booster..
At this time I cant see that ending well.

 

[SandisLL]

Ah France !
That's because France will more gladly stay "neutral" and play their own game, instead of feeling to be dictated by the US or to a degree supported by the UK.
Macron is "new wave", openly pro-EU but only if he/France gets to dictate its direction.
I'm sure he and the French military are assessing, hard, what the future will bring and which position to take with Russia's threat for example.. And they're most likely talking with the Germans and other 'big' EU-nations, who've been nothing but shit stains, in military sense.

The reality is that most likely a lot of ppl in France might agree even to cede East Germany to Russia IF they will get good trade deals and discounts.....
It is reality...old good times with Cold War.....cheap gasoline in 1988 th....
For a lot of ppl might look not bad borders and comfortable dream....

However there is also reality thing that France like Germany needs U.S and U.K a lot....
Even if Russia didn't had existed in this word....
Cos a lot of things.......

Then there is so called " real block " ....
Norway backed by Denmark and U.K and U.S& Canada and Iceland for a reason and vice versa...

By knowing that Germany and France most likely will " sell " them to Russia if Kremlin will offer good deals...Poland and Co had did diligent work during decades to ensure that westerners will suffer a lot if these countries will be invaded ....
And ofc also spent a lot of efforts to get more connections with so called " real block ".
It is also backed by Australia and New Zealand, partially by Singapore and South Korea and Japan...ofc also by Taiwan...

 

[SandisLL]

I ofc agree that we might be disstatified with U.S politics in banking sector...
I too don't agree....
Also their pressure to cede real banking in foreign countries to ...guess who...

However reality is that we need access to stock markets etc stuff in U.S, Japan, Singapore, U.K ....
And if we will fuck up relationships with U.S then....will be chain reactions in row..

Next thing is ....plenty of other reasons why we still need this U.K and U.S conglomerate...

One from these other reasons is services for IT companies and software licenses...
U.S is earning for this alone from EU/EEZ damn more than...
If compare....40 b package for Ukr ppl cried about is....small piece of cake .....form $ U.S is getting yearly from EU/ EEZ companies and individuals just cos this alone...
software licenses and services for IT ....

Then other things will come in long row...

 

[Bacco]

Kadyrov’s two functioning brain cells aren’t happy, his troops just got another proper ass-whooping late last week.. He pledged his commitment, sent his untrained monkey-men to shoot TikTok vids, got raped and isn’t happy. Like Vladdy, he’s happy to blame someone or anyone else for the situation he puts himself into..
The only positive outcome is that he gets slapped, which is something he desperately needs.

what grabbed my curiosity is that Kadyrov start behaving like that may be an indicator he feel Putin position got much weaker (we also got that russian council letter where they openly hard criticized Putin few days ago) or at least desperate enough to tolerate these gimmicks because he needs chechens

but again, read this in an italian news article, posted it also too see if is something widely recognized or just journalist interpretation

 

[PEB]

Chechens role in this phase is bizzarre Just read on italian news site that Kadyrov first openly criticized russian strategy in a moment Putin was already criticized, now seems they will send "elite" troops to support/control russian soldier operate, but same news said could be like back to april when chechen troops executed 3 russian soldiers that wanted to quit

Wonder if Putin is feeling pushed to use more chechens to avoid having to involve more russians

There a video of chechens fighters running from the area as the exodus was happening. They keep saying you have seen nothing yet wait to you see our best guys over the last number of months.

 

[SandisLL]

He will not use so called " best guys " from Grozny...cos then this will be his end.

Checens aren't anymore stuff from 90 ies...
Mainly checen guys involved in military....are plebs....brawe vs weak opponents. Not rare cases below average village criminal....

Brave ppl had relocated or died...
Other sort of ppl is in business in different areas and countries...
Third kind of ppl are casuals...
Fourth... criminals who doesn't need to go to frontline to get normal money...
Etc...

Ofc propaganda does have impact from old times...with brave warriors...
Now it is more likely: they aren't enough good for serious gangs....even this.....

Casual consumer society products loving to fight with weak or better vs unarmed opponents...

 

[KnightTemplar]

Chechens role in this phase is bizzarre Just read on italian news site that Kadyrov first openly criticized russian strategy in a moment Putin was already criticized, now seems they will send "elite" troops to support/control russian soldier operate, but same news said could be like back to april when chechen troops executed 3 russian soldiers that wanted to quit

Wonder if Putin is feeling pushed to use more chechens to avoid having to involve more russians

Didn't the Chechens send in a battalion of their, "elite" troops early in the war, only for them to get their shit pushed in by the Ukrainians?

 

[Prutfis]

Chechen "elite" troops

 

[Deleted member 585708]

There a video of chechens fighters running from the area as the exodus was happening. They keep saying you have seen nothing yet wait to you see our best guys over the last number of months.

Literally an Instagram army. The talk is that Chechens don't even want to go to Ukraine to die, and no matter how hyped up their troops are, they have had zero success on the battlefield.

It's one thing to defend Chechnya against Russian aggression and be seen as fierce and fearless, it's quite another to go stand in front of artillery in another country for a cause that makes no sense.

Kadyrov is only pissed off because he's getting exposed as an Instagram model rather than a fearsome warlord. He was expecting to be able to parade through Kyiv by now despite having done none of the heavy lifting.