International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V8

[nhbfan8080]

I will FREELY admit that they had me bamboozled, hoodwinked, and fooled! I thought that Pres. Zelensky was crazy not to be evacuated when it kicked off, but he knew something that we didn't.
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Zelensky was in negotiations with Russia in the early days and was ready for a ceasefire/armstice back in April but Boris Johnson didn't support it.

 

[SanchoMF]

what grabbed my curiosity is that Kadyrov start behaving like that may be an indicator he feel Putin position got much weaker (we also got that russian council letter where they openly hard criticized Putin few days ago) or at least desperate enough to tolerate these gimmicks because he needs chechens

but again, read this in an italian news article, posted it also too see if is something widely recognized or just journalist interpretation

Aye, Kadyrov sure is more vocal than anyone else in Putin's clique.
Again, at the beginning of the invasion, he declared himself as Putin's foot soldier, postured really hard and sent his "elite troops".
IMHO, Kadyrov thought that it'd be "good PR" as in Russia would Fast Forward to Kiev, Kadyrov being able to bask in the glory of being a Chechen warrior and having participated in action with his troops.
No idea of the losses the Chechen troops, but apart from their success in TikTok, it appears that they're getting railed and Kadyrov is lashing out in disappointment.

 

[SandisLL]

If about frogs.
Ofc offensive but NATO doesn't consider this country as real part of NATO since 1960 ies and report buttons pressing and actions will not change real U.K and U.S opinion in DEPTH about this country.
Since 1960 ies and I'm sure during next 10 years nothing will change here....

I except this post too will be reported and deleted.
For a reason.
Countries providing nuclear umbrella for NATO member states are United Kingdoom and United States...
End in reality....Since 1960 ies nothing had changed and will not change during next decade....

So press buttons against reality well known since 1960 ies even for casuals....

 

[SandisLL]

Zelensky was in negotiations with Russia in the early days and was ready for a ceasefire/armstice back in April but Boris Johnson didn't support it.

Where is any proof about this statement?

We all know that for U.S and EU Ukr means a little....
Russia knew this clearly even in 2008 th...


And please politically correct ppl keep to delete posts about reality: France is pro russian and always will be...for a reason and instead of offensive about frogs I will tell openly: France even maybe might support former Waeshaw block including east Germany under russia.
If they will get good deal with Russia...

Russia get from France : night vision and other IR equipment and ballistic calculators...
Almost had even get helicopter carriers ships from France, their friends....
Crimea ofc fucked this deal with best friends for France country....


We know in depth about France and Germany....
Deleting posts will not help..

We knew who they are 20, 10 and 5 years ago.
History repeats....
Just instead of Hitler now is Russia...
Nothing had changed...
Never will change...

Even after 3 decades since this day...

 

[SandisLL]

Literally an Instagram army. The talk is that Chechens don't even want to go to Ukraine to die, and no matter how hyped up their troops are, they have had zero success on the battlefield.

It's one thing to defend Chechnya against Russian aggression and be seen as fierce and fearless, it's quite another to go stand in front of artillery in another country for a cause that makes no sense.

Kadyrov is only pissed off because he's getting exposed as an Instagram model rather than a fearsome warlord. He was expecting to be able to parade through Kyiv by now despite having done none of the heavy lifting.

In modern days these forces from Checnya are below average village guy from Corsica or Sicilia or Albania or even from Turkey...
All that remained is name chechen...
Cos reasons I had posted multiple times ...

Best and most trustable and usable for Russia guys they will keep in Grozny...well paid and nutritioned and with good living places for cheap.
For a reason.

 

[SandisLL]

Negotiations with Russia and treaties?
Some idiots still believe about this or just are ready to do with ukr the same stuff they DID with kurds?
West for sure is capable to do with Ukr the same...
Why not?
Business is business....
Will see...

Ukraine allowed them to keep naval base in Sevastopol in order to get some $ from Russia...
Later had prolonged this bullshit....
For a reason easy to see.
Then they get special operation in Donbas and Crimea...

When coal mines had been ruled by proper oligarchs....then for Russia Ukr didn't had nor nazism nor rusophobia ( tales for babushkas in armchairs )...
When no...then dumbass stuff and Crimea stuff had started...

Crimea for EU and west is useless village...
Area with died tourism since 1991 th....sorry for reality even for Ukr or Rus rich ppl it was 0 since 1992/1993 th...
While nice areas like Spain, Italy and Greece, Cyprus and Turkey might offer better fun for tourists...
Other thing than tourism Crimea had ....was naval base etc stuff where only Russia then was interested.
Otherwise Crimea was noname burden no one needs...
Therefore so soft reaction after annexion.
Kiev too btw had gave 0 f*** about ppl in Crimea since 1992 th..
0 value..
0 nationalism or stuff claimed by russians...
0 interest how ppl will cover their living costs........this was reality from Kiev 1992-2014....about Crimea....

 

[SandisLL]

The same Crimea.
I had been in 2007 th.
Cos I don't know Ukr language and don't have ukr related boodline also never had real interest...
I had used russian to talk with ppl in Crimea, Harkov and Kiev....
Didn't had feeling called " rusofobia "...or discrimination cos this...

For business we then had hard NO...for a reason....

In some cases Ukr in 2007 th was stuff like Russia in 1998 th ....

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Zelensky was in negotiations with Russia in the early days and was ready for a ceasefire/armstice back in April but Boris Johnson didn't support it.

One of the worst pieces of commentary I've seen during this war.

They've literally taken a tiny extract from an enormous article headlined 'The World Putin Wants: How Distortions About the Past Feed Delusions About the Future' that goes against everything the article is saying.

That article from Foreign Affairs isn't advocating the discussed armistice or ceasefire at all, yet they're pretending the West (Johnson + Biden) nixed this, and that was bad.

But actually, the article agrees with rejecting the proposal to sell a fifth of the nation to Putin and embolden him further.

Read on...

At any point, negotiations with Russia—if not handled carefully and with continued strong Western support for Ukraine’s defense and security—would merely facilitate an operational pause for Moscow. After a time, Russia would continue to try to undermine the Ukrainian government. Moscow would likely first attempt to take Odessa and other Black Sea ports with the goal of leaving Ukraine an economically inviable, landlocked country. If he succeeds in that, Putin would launch a renewed assault on Kyiv as well, with the aim of unseating the present government and installing a pro-Moscow puppet government. Putin’s war in Ukraine, then, will likely grind on for a long time. The main challenge for the West will be maintaining resolve and unity, as well as expanding international support for Ukraine and preventing sanctions evasion.

The point is, it won't be easy to repel Russia, not that the war should already be over. But I guess yet more ABYSMAL commentary from YouTube hacks is there only to misdirect.

I'm not saying you've been fooled, as you didn't write enough to really give your opinion on the subject, but I want to make it clear that Foreign Affairs DID NOT support the proposed ceasefire in April, and the misrepresentation and sheer stupidity of those commentators is purely intentional and asinine.

More shills.

 

[Bacco]

Didn't the Chechens send in a battalion of their, "elite" troops early in the war, only for them to get their shit pushed in by the Ukrainians?

Did'nt followed so closely the events, i remember them being involved in this or that situation but not much the details

Iirc in tv specials they was portrayed essentially as less advanced tech toys wise but more ruthless kind of troops (compared to russians), if that's so would not be that surprised if ukranians defending their land + western toys/intelligence would be very bad match up for them

My very ignorant impression is that intelligence is playing an huge role in this war (like, it ever does, but here in particular)

Crazy to think not so many years ago chechens had no more hated enemy than russians, shit was horrible iirc

Aye, Kadyrov sure is more vocal than anyone else in Putin's clique.
Again, at the beginning of the invasion, he declared himself as Putin's foot soldier, postured really hard and sent his "elite troops".
IMHO, Kadyrov thought that it'd be "good PR" as in Russia would Fast Forward to Kiev, Kadyrov being able to bask in the glory of being a Chechen warrior and having participated in action with his troops.
No idea of the losses the Chechen troops, but apart from their success in TikTok, it appears that they're getting railed and Kadyrov is lashing out in disappointment.

Wonder if Belarus position is changing too

I admit also on Belarus case did'nt followed much their involvement (example if there was belarus troops, officially or not), aside iirc they essentially see themselves as basically Russia and gave their south border to russians to attack from north

For some reason feels they may be less inclined to collaborate but also not much likely to start have pissed off/complaining mood, iirc Lukashenko wanted hard to be considered an high figure in russian world

May be wrong but have the impression while chechens at some point may revive bit of old bad blood as reason to leave a failed war, belarus may just stick as declared sympathizer but try to do less as possible if things keep go shitty for russians

Btw craziest situation to me is China and their "beautiful" slow and relatively peaceful long-view world conquest plan, having suddently no other option than stick ever more with Russia alliance with no much control over what Putin do.
No doubt they're gaining something out of it (example buy at super cheap price), but imho reality is they did'nt needed this and probably it disturb greatly their planned path

 

[SandisLL]

Ohh, propesed cesafire in April.
In order not to allow us to make proper long years strategy in energy field...
Sorry, no offenese personally if you are from Germany, France, Austria or Hungary.
Life is just bussiness deal and even there they had lost.....
Germany long ago isn't real financial or military core of EU...
Not lesser than from Russia they fear from natural gas valves coming via Denmark to be closed, electricity cables too.
Valves from Netherlands and pesticides, herbicides and insecticides & other stuf supplies.
Like russians also french ppl and gemans are capable and always will be able to respect only direct military force or direct and REAL financial threats...

Nothing wrong....
It is real life and always will be this even after decades.....

Nothing will change...NOTHING....

 

[Cole train]

Did'nt followed so closely the events, i remember them being involved in this or that situation but not much the details

Iirc in tv specials they was portrayed essentially as less advanced tech toys wise but more ruthless kind of troops (compared to russians), if that's so would not be that surprised if ukranians defending their land + western toys/intelligence would be very bad match up for them

My very ignorant impression is that intelligence is playing an huge role in this war (like, it ever does, but here in particular)

Crazy to think not so many years ago chechens had no more hated enemy than russians, shit was horrible iirc


Wonder if Belarus position is changing too

I admit also on Belarus case did'nt followed much their involvement (example if there was belarus troops, officially or not), aside iirc they essentially see themselves as basically Russia and gave their south border to russians to attack from north

For some reason feels they may be less inclined to collaborate but also not much likely to start have pissed off/complaining mood, iirc Lukashenko wanted hard to be considered an high figure in russian world

May be wrong but have the impression while chechens at some point may revive bit of old bad blood as reason to leave a failed war, belarus may just stick as declared sympathizer but try to do less as possible if things keep go shitty for russians

Btw craziest situation to me is China and their "beautiful" slow and relatively peaceful long-view world conquest plan, having suddently no other option than stick ever more with Russia alliance with no much control over what Putin do.
No doubt they're gaining something out of it (example buy at super cheap price), but imho reality is they did'nt needed this and probably it disturb greatly their planned path

Yes always lovable chechens ate shit in first months of war

Rus usually uses them in the back as military police/clean up crew because they dont do good in direct combat

Mariupol that was advertised as chechen victory in chechen side of internet was done by DPR with chechens in back

 

[curryjunkie]

Zelensky was in negotiations with Russia in the early days and was ready for a ceasefire/armstice back in April but Boris Johnson didn't support it.

Got a link for that?

 

[AWilder]

Got a link for that?

UK...UKraine. it's all coming together...

 

[Dalarna3]

Romans and Byzantines held it too - and the Russians didn't get it from the Mongols: you are leaving out the Ottoman empire and Crimean Tartars. It only became Russian in 1783. The Brits and French beat the Russians there in the Crimean war 1850'ies, then it was fought over an conquered several times during the Russian revolution. Then the Germans took it in WWII.

The population was mainly Greek during Roman and Byzantine times. Crimean Tartars are just Mongols that settled that sold slaves to the ottomans in exchange for protection. The French/Brits attacked it via sea and the war turned into a slog. Apparently, it was one of the last holdouts for the whites in the civil war. The more you know.

 

[SandisLL]

Yes always lovable chechens ate shit in first months of war

Rus usually uses them in the back as military police/clean up crew because they dont do good in direct combat

Mariupol that was advertised as chechen victory in chechen side of internet was done by DPR with chechens in back

Badly supported mices in trap.

Vs superior forces: Wagner, russian pros, DPR and LPR ppl with huge advantage in equipment, manpower and supplies + air controlled and so on....
In some shelters in just steel works...
Pawns for ukr....

And they afforded to call this as evacuation..

Meat sold procedure while I don't feel scared for them.
Ukr sold them and talked nicely and properly.
Male should had used last cartridge for .....you know...not to prove that he as specimen isn't really ready to die as man.
Sorry it is Conversation with God in the heavens....with honour...last chance.

€€ and $$$$$$
evacuation......
Sure....

 

[Videer]

It has been a while since anyone shared deeply insightful thoughs of COLONEL MacGregor so I must fix it.

 

[MTT]

Multiple pro-Russian commentators are claiming today that a formal declaration of war from Russia is incoming. Source.. who knows. Maybe wishful thinking mixed with copium OD.

 

[Strychnine]

It has been a while since anyone shared deeply insightful thoughs of COLONEL MacGregor so I must fix it.

Talk about being wrong!

 

[MTT]

Talk about being wrong!

Is that recent? It does say Friday (9/9?). That is embarrassing. As if the Colonel gets his war updates exclusively from pro-Russian ASB Military News.

 

[Terry Noonan]

Talk about being wrong!

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