International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V7
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Don't be naive.
Everyone is lying and on daily basis.
Mass media needs clicks and so on + not all stuff is possible to check up.
Bloggers and YT bers, ticktocjers, IG etc...
bla bla bla.
Needs clicks.
And sorry, if doctors are lying and fact that propagandists and politicians are lying on daily basis...
This is norm.
When Covid started one professor told in interwiev that it will be dangerous only for old ppl!
Some politicians advised to lock down only ppl older than 50...like order them to sit in their apartments and self isolate...
Etc.
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Of course the media and people lie on a daily. Doesn't mean we should accept the lies and definitely shouldn't continue believing them after they are proven false.
Not going to discuss covid in here bud. It'll go off topic and start a shitstorm lol
Okey, if about military stuff.
There isn't and had not been verified proof that Ukr or Russia's air defense systems are capable to deal even with Uragan 220mm 1975-1988 th missiles....
While if for Ukraine there is excuse: their air defense equipment looks good and cool only on paper...
All modern things are....MANPADs...
Other stuff: SAM missiles with longer range are pre 1992 era stuff.
For Russia it isn't like this.
Still, while it is confirmed that both of them are able to deal with Thocka missile IF will be lucky....
MRLS stuff is different animal.
There isn't and had not been verified proof that Ukr or Russia's air defense systems are capable to deal even with Uragan 220mm 1975-1988 th missiles....
While if for Ukraine there is excuse: their air defense equipment looks good and cool only on paper...
All modern things are....MANPADs...
Other stuff: SAM missiles with longer range are pre 1992 era stuff.
For Russia it isn't like this.
Still, while it is confirmed that both of them are able to deal with Thocka missile IF will be lucky....
MRLS stuff is different animal.
BTW IMHO Grad MRLS is stuff that needs to be destroyed before they reached launch range...
Grad type stuff usually fires 122 mm unquided missiles and " pack " usually is 40 tubes on truck.
They does have different " packs ", usually from 12 till even 50 tubes in pack.
Most common is 40 tubes on truck variant.
Range is 18-40 km.
These launchers usually are operated in groups...
2-4-8-12-16 launchers in group....in order to create valley with missiles.
I.e to launch 80-640 these missiles on target area.
Due to missiles small size and high number of missiles in salvo...for air defense to deal with them is almost impossible.
Grad type stuff usually fires 122 mm unquided missiles and " pack " usually is 40 tubes on truck.
They does have different " packs ", usually from 12 till even 50 tubes in pack.
Most common is 40 tubes on truck variant.
Range is 18-40 km.
These launchers usually are operated in groups...
2-4-8-12-16 launchers in group....in order to create valley with missiles.
I.e to launch 80-640 these missiles on target area.
Due to missiles small size and high number of missiles in salvo...for air defense to deal with them is almost impossible.
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There is also interesting moment: rumours about 1 m ppl in Ukr army not at all are created from air or in dreams.
1945-1953 it was according to Stalin number of ppl USSR might get from 40 m inhabitants.
+ wartime stocks doctrine required that country ....
yeah...even in 1973 th...USSR had in wartime stocks Mossin rifles ....submachine guns from WW2 era.
Nagant revolvers, Maxim machine guns, TT pistols etc stuff...
Cos total war doctrine was: at first to be able to issue weapons for....everyone capable to use them.
Total war is when no one will even care: are you 16 or 66 y.o.
1945-1953 it was according to Stalin number of ppl USSR might get from 40 m inhabitants.
+ wartime stocks doctrine required that country ....
yeah...even in 1973 th...USSR had in wartime stocks Mossin rifles ....submachine guns from WW2 era.
Nagant revolvers, Maxim machine guns, TT pistols etc stuff...
Cos total war doctrine was: at first to be able to issue weapons for....everyone capable to use them.
Total war is when no one will even care: are you 16 or 66 y.o.
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Reminds me how after Russia gave air defences to Syria and the just about only thing they have managed to shoot down was Russian Il-20.
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@Snowblindlove
What do you make of the recent post on RSOTM? The one regarding the tale of HIMARS and CAESAR sales. You definitively stated these transactions took place. It seems this person is labeling you a schizophrenic.
"As for the informational gossip about their purchase or destruction: all messages about the sale by UAF and the purchase by RF AF of both the French howitzer Ceasar and the American MLRS HIMARS are fiction. More than one post was made about Ceasar, as if it was already being taken apart at our factory, but they didn’t show a single photo which is absolutely not typical for our side which boasts a lot. The totally ridiculous story about the secret sale of HIMARS I believe does not need at all any logical reflections, since to seriously believe that someone on the internet would write about an unfinished deal, reveal the entire scheme, data on the sellers and buyers, and at the same time hope for the conclusion of the deal, it is all complete schizophrenia.
But the highlight of our discussion among the fighters was the alleged destruction of HIMARS yesterday, where in reality a timber truck was destroyed that was carrying logs to the frontline of UAF for strengthening of their positions. And generally, for the future, if you see glued up frames, low-quality filming from an UAV (we don’t have others yet), where nothing apart from pixels and something smouldering can be seen, which requires you to fantasise – consider the information to be untrue. If we really managed to locate the position of a HIMARS and then destroy it, believe me there would be plenty of shots, ours wouldn’t miss an opportunity to play it in the media for a few weeks in the daily news.
Like Scout said in one of the latest broadcasts – “The bulk of our problems is due to us f*cking lying to ourselves!”"
https://wartranslated.com/wagner-group-on-himars/
https://t.co/kt3DGDWvqF
What do you make of the recent post on RSOTM? The one regarding the tale of HIMARS and CAESAR sales. You definitively stated these transactions took place. It seems this person is labeling you a schizophrenic.
"As for the informational gossip about their purchase or destruction: all messages about the sale by UAF and the purchase by RF AF of both the French howitzer Ceasar and the American MLRS HIMARS are fiction. More than one post was made about Ceasar, as if it was already being taken apart at our factory, but they didn’t show a single photo which is absolutely not typical for our side which boasts a lot. The totally ridiculous story about the secret sale of HIMARS I believe does not need at all any logical reflections, since to seriously believe that someone on the internet would write about an unfinished deal, reveal the entire scheme, data on the sellers and buyers, and at the same time hope for the conclusion of the deal, it is all complete schizophrenia.
But the highlight of our discussion among the fighters was the alleged destruction of HIMARS yesterday, where in reality a timber truck was destroyed that was carrying logs to the frontline of UAF for strengthening of their positions. And generally, for the future, if you see glued up frames, low-quality filming from an UAV (we don’t have others yet), where nothing apart from pixels and something smouldering can be seen, which requires you to fantasise – consider the information to be untrue. If we really managed to locate the position of a HIMARS and then destroy it, believe me there would be plenty of shots, ours wouldn’t miss an opportunity to play it in the media for a few weeks in the daily news.
Like Scout said in one of the latest broadcasts – “The bulk of our problems is due to us f*cking lying to ourselves!”"
https://wartranslated.com/wagner-group-on-himars/
https://t.co/kt3DGDWvqF
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Yeah there seems to be a lot of that going on.
1) The Ukrainian boosters who post videos of Russian stuff getting blown up- why aren't the Russians going backwards?
2) The Russia boosters who post about X or Y tiny village taken- why are you advancing at a clip of 2km a day if you are massacring the Ukes?
About what kind of Ukrainan boosters ?
Yeah...a lot of expensive russian stuff had been lost.
BTW by my opinion some falled down cos...ecxellent maintenance done! Everthing as had been planned.
Like 100 m $ worth launcher, 15-35-40 m worth aircraft and 3-6 m$ worth tanks.
Battleships too ....maybe were planned....
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If you fight for Russia and advanced ...you will dig trenches and arrange to harden positions and getting supplies: bodies, ammo and technique before advance further....
If you will lost positions you had taken under control....dudes in Kremlin will put you in basement ....
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Political meaning is for sure essential and if there had been declared that deNazification ....in area X had been done....
Then there will be mando rule to do this till end...
Kremlin had appointed 2 generals to help to do further deNazification in Ukraine...
+ had sent next batch with FSB ( KGB ) and GRU colonels etc to help with deNazification....
This more looks IMHO like: first day; attempted to take village X. Lost tank cos mine.
next day: repeated attempt, get lost 3 tanks and 3 БМП + xx bodies.
third day: repeated attempt, lost 2 tanks and 3 БМП + helicopter and xx bodies.
fourth day: lost tank and 3 БМП + helicopter + xx bodies.
fifth day: lost 3 tanks and 7 БМП + helicopter + xx bodies...
Small village is taken...deNazification is reported to be done ....
Etc.
+ had sent next batch with FSB ( KGB ) and GRU colonels etc to help with deNazification....
This more looks IMHO like: first day; attempted to take village X. Lost tank cos mine.
next day: repeated attempt, get lost 3 tanks and 3 БМП + xx bodies.
third day: repeated attempt, lost 2 tanks and 3 БМП + helicopter and xx bodies.
fourth day: lost tank and 3 БМП + helicopter + xx bodies.
fifth day: lost 3 tanks and 7 БМП + helicopter + xx bodies...
Small village is taken...deNazification is reported to be done ....
Etc.
Btw if we want Ukr to kick Rus out from some positions we need to supply them ....mortars and ammo for them.
Cos obivious reason NATO countries who does have borders with Belarus and Russia will not supply them anymore, pretty opposite...they will accumulate reserves, rise them and ammo stocks too...
While if countries located not too close to Russia and Belarus will supply mortars and ammo for them?
I mean 107 and 120 mm mortars in number more than 200 and sufficient ammo for this stuff....
Might U.S directly supply such stuff? Or U.K?
Cos obivious reason NATO countries who does have borders with Belarus and Russia will not supply them anymore, pretty opposite...they will accumulate reserves, rise them and ammo stocks too...
While if countries located not too close to Russia and Belarus will supply mortars and ammo for them?
I mean 107 and 120 mm mortars in number more than 200 and sufficient ammo for this stuff....
Might U.S directly supply such stuff? Or U.K?
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HIMARS has reached Russian news outlets apparently. Lol Putin ordered priority destruction of them. It's just to feed the masses with more BS from Putin. Ukrainian's have said it completely changed the battlefield an put Russia in a position where their nowhere safe.
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Yeah Russian maintenance has always been terrible. But clearly the Ukranians aren't pushing them back anymore, so either they also suck or the media stories are exaggerated.
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i doubt we will give them ATACMS. However, they wanna take out the land bridge attaching Russia to Crimera...however
https://defence-blog.com/us-senators-ask-lloyd-austin-to-send-avengers-to-ukraine/
https://defence-blog.com/us-senators-say-pentagon-must-give-fighter-jets-to-ukraine/
Not likely they will gave them even 165 km range old type ATACMs missiles with 560 kg warhead. Sure considerably better than Thocka : faster, lower radar cross section, heavier warhead and longer range....
It is assumed that Russia will 21.07.2022 start more direct blackmail vs Germany etc cos Nord Stream I.
While these countries aren't all EU at all.
Nothing will prevent for example Norway to issue 10 b NOK loan + to ship next package with weapons to Ukraine.
If EU will be disstatisfied with this, they might close some nice valves...like Russia is doing...
It is assumed that Russia will 21.07.2022 start more direct blackmail vs Germany etc cos Nord Stream I.
While these countries aren't all EU at all.
Nothing will prevent for example Norway to issue 10 b NOK loan + to ship next package with weapons to Ukraine.
If EU will be disstatisfied with this, they might close some nice valves...like Russia is doing...
Btw we for sure have relatively interesting night;
E3A and " tankers " plus xx airplanes.
Russia and Belarus are going fkin"* crazy ...therefore this stuff now is 150 km from their borders with their " enemy " NATO...
E3A and " tankers " plus xx airplanes.
Russia and Belarus are going fkin"* crazy ...therefore this stuff now is 150 km from their borders with their " enemy " NATO...
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