International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V7

[GhostZ06]

and they shot theyre own fighter down today....a su-34 Fullback/hellduck







lol @ the hero of the federation

 

[GhostZ06]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-17

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[GhostZ06]

 

[Deleted member 585708]

lol @ the hero of the federation

People in these threads have long had this romantic notion of the effectiveness of 'merc' groups.

Something about them being elite, hand-picked fighters, when obviously any elite soldier is going to be in the Russian Army proper. If they're in Wagner, there's a fucking reason.

 

[BIKES!]

I can’t figure out why only one guy is engaging before the OG is fired. What are the rest of the guys doing?

 

[Strychnine]

"Just put on a diaper"?!?!?

Forget that noise!

 

[MTT]

And this is a major reason for 'The Ghost of Kyiv' and on the opposing end, Russia destroying and/or buying HIMARS systems in back-alley deals. Both sides use media to boost troop morale and there is nothing wrong with it. The psychological effect of new weapons reaching out and touching Russian troops necessitates ridiculous tales. I am sure many similar phone calls took place in the last weeks.

When the Russian command figures out this latest problem of centralization and pushes their posts back, Ukraine will receive ammo with a longer range.

 

[GhostZ06]

People in these threads have long had this romantic notion of the effectiveness of 'merc' groups.

Something about them being elite, hand-picked fighters, when obviously any elite soldier is going to be in the Russian Army proper. If they're in Wagner, there's a fucking reason.

remember when being a hero of the soivet union you actually did some insane shit? lol putins a fucktard

 

[SandisLL]

Since government introduced conscription, some people are becoming suspicious and there's an increased belief that shit might be going down and Ukraine isn't as strong as advertised or something else must have gone wrong behind the scenes if we have to resort to this step. Tinfoil hats all over the place.

It doesn't help that our minister of defense comes out and says that it's time to face reality, and in worst case scenario we have 2 years to prepare for the eventual Russian visit.

Other than this recent development we continue our russian hating ways of the past. Interesting times ahead for all the shittalking keyboard warriors, myself included.

Sorry, Russia is using shittalking keyboard warriors against some 10 EU countries...14 years in row...
Now looks that favourable places are Telegram channels and VKontakte...
+ ofc hybrid war + disinfo campaigns.
+ hackers.
+ airspace violations....Lithuania confirmed ~29 during last 5 months...
+++ didn't noticed that someone advertised Ukr as very strong.
A bit pretty opposite.

 

[Cid]

is there still a blackout on Kherson AO? not much info coming out of that area and Ukraine making a big push.

Dnipro River is huge. Would suck to get stuck on the wrong side of it with the bridges destroyed.

 

[SandisLL]

The repeated claims that Russia was on the verge of running out of supplies only to be forgotten then repeated amused me

About running out of supplies partially IS correct statement because these talks were about specific things.

No one assumed that Russia will run out of soviet era type ammo and missiles.

Talks were about modern cruise missiles.
Like Kalibr and Iskander cruise missile variant etc. Because these A. aren't things easy to manufactrure quickly B. are expensive C. requires diligent maintenance done in high quality and relatively often.

 

[SandisLL]

And this is a major reason for 'The Ghost of Kyiv' and on the opposing end, Russia destroying and/or buying HIMARS systems in back-alley deals. Both sides use media to boost troop morale and there is nothing wrong with it. The psychological effect of new weapons reaching out and touching Russian troops necessitates ridiculous tales. I am sure many similar phone calls took place in the last weeks.

When the Russian command figures out this latest problem of centralization and pushes their posts back, Ukraine will receive ammo with a longer range.

Interestingly that looks that trolls aren't well coordinated.
Some posted that Russia had destroyed 2 HIMARS.
Some other trolls that Russia had destroyed 1 and bought 1.

Etc etc different versions....

Then some trolls and shitposters posted that had destroyed trucks designed to tow hotwizers...
Sorry, open idiotism because any truck with enough power might tow cannon.
Even soviets knew this and in their total war doctrine civil transport like tractors, trucks, bulldozers etc might had been taken by military and used in war..

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Kiev Ghost IMHO was stuff when...
Russia didn't expected that ukr will place their air defense stuff from MANPADs till SAM syatems in places where they were ....while Russia didn't knew.


Also...civil dressed professional spies -diversants and saboteurs + armed criminals ....failed....because Ukraine opened wartime stocks and issued weapons to civilians.
Therefore our friend Dexter so much cried about this...like It isn't good, only Russia is allowed to use killers and diversants dressed as casual civilians...
Ohh , unexpected things made him so scared IRL.
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[Snowblindlove]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-17

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ISW is always a month behind I swear. It took them months to even admit this above control

And this is a major reason for 'The Ghost of Kyiv' and on the opposing end, Russia destroying and/or buying HIMARS systems in back-alley deals. Both sides use media to boost troop morale and there is nothing wrong with it. The psychological effect of new weapons reaching out and touching Russian troops necessitates ridiculous tales. I am sure many similar phone calls took place in the last weeks.

When the Russian command figures out this latest problem of centralization and pushes their posts back, Ukraine will receive ammo with a longer range.

The purchased HIMARS story has more weight behind it though

The EU and Pentagon officials have even noted the hard ability to track weaponry and the black market effects. It isnt unrealistic. Plus there is photos

People in these threads have long had this romantic notion of the effectiveness of 'merc' groups.

Something about them being elite, hand-picked fighters, when obviously any elite soldier is going to be in the Russian Army proper. If they're in Wagner, there's a fucking reason.

Wagner pays better and is or was initially for post spec ops guys who wanted to go overseas. There are units in Russian armed forces even a branch that is dedicated to sabotage and hard ground force sneak attacks. However, I imagine you cant always stay in that and they have age cut offs etc. When that happens reitrees in say late 30s or early 40s might find overseas work in africa fun, easy and profitable.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Wagner pays better and is or was initially for post spec ops guys who wanted to go overseas. There are units in Russian armed forces even a branch that is dedicated to sabotage and hard ground force sneak attacks. However, I imagine you cant always stay in that and they have age cut offs etc. When that happens reitrees in say late 30s or early 40s might find overseas work in africa fun, easy and profitable.

I've heard it all before.

Wagner suck, and take massive hits every time they're involved in a conflict.

That's the real reason they're a merc org - because it doesn't matter who they are when they're in the meat grinder - and they are all replaceable.

 

[SandisLL]

ISW is always a month behind I swear. It took them months to even admit this above control


The purchased HIMARS story has more weight behind it though

The EU and Pentagon officials have even noted the hard ability to track weaponry and the black market effects. It isnt unrealistic. Plus there is photos
.

Ohh. Again you are earning your paycheck.
It is so easy to see this, only an idiot can't see that you are working as a troll.

+ it is possible to make photo where you are together with Hitler and Putin.

 

[SandisLL]

I've heard it all before.

Wagner suck, and take massive hits every time they're involved in a conflict.

That's the real reason they're a merc org - because it doesn't matter who they are when they're in the meat grinder - and they are all replaceable.

IMHO Wagner doesn't suck and they at least earlier had used former pros and guys who had served military AND...had financial problems....

> looks that they are using Wagner where is higher risk that unit might be devastated...

The same IMHO also why rus use guys from these " republics " in Luhansk and Dumbass + guys from poor remote russia's areas...

Babushkas in Moscow and St Pete will not cry!
Next bodies will be hired and sent as replacement.
Then cycle might be repeated again.
After this again.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

IMHO Wagner doesn't suck and they at least earlier had used former pros and guys who had served military AND...had financial problems....

> looks that they are using Wagner where is higher risk that unit might be devastated...

The same IMHO also why rus use guys from these " republics " in Luhansk and Dumbass + guys from poor remote russia's areas...

Babushkas in Moscow and St Pete will not cry!
Next bodies will be hired and sent as replacement.
Then cycle might be repeated again.
After this again.

They get sent to places like Libya, Mozambique, and Mali, where they basically embarrass themselves and Russia as their employers.

How do they not suck?

 

[SandisLL]

They get sent to places like Libya, Mozambique, and Mali, where they basically embarrass themselves and Russia as their employers.

How do they not suck?

This sucks of course.
While this automatically doesn't means that these guys are unskilled.

IMHO maybe now most experienced part of them had been " donated to meat grinder in Ukr " and now they had hired replacement....lesser experienced guys.

 

[SandisLL]

ukr claims that Russia had lost Су34M.
Looks that Russia attempted to shot down MRLS missiles with their SAM complexes and deNazified their own airplane.

 

[Anewt]

And this is a major reason for 'The Ghost of Kyiv' and on the opposing end, Russia destroying and/or buying HIMARS systems in back-alley deals. Both sides use media to boost troop morale and there is nothing wrong with it. The psychological effect of new weapons reaching out and touching Russian troops necessitates ridiculous tales. I am sure many similar phone calls took place in the last weeks.

When the Russian command figures out this latest problem of centralization and pushes their posts back, Ukraine will receive ammo with a longer range.

I completely understand why propaganda was useful for Ukraine ( and is for Russia ) .. what I don't understand is how some people refuse to admit they've been lied to.. worse than that they've actively attacked people for pointing out the truth.

I despise media lies. Especially how openly it's done. You'll have poster citing mod and dod when it literally never happened and they never confirmed it. Boggles my mind. Most of the early days of the invasion have complete transparency now. Yet people prefer their narrative than the truth.