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Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

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I don't really know the details, but FSB is out and the army intelligence GRU is in. Beau is not making this read, but one possible conclusion would be that the army breaths on Putin's neck and they are taking out protective structures around him moving in for an inevitable coup.
 
Yotsuya said:


I don't really know the details, but FSB is out and the army intelligence GRU is in. Beau is not making this read, but one possible conclusion would be that the army breaths on Putin's neck and they are taking out protective structures around him moving in for an inevitable coup.
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This naturally assumes that Putin is already being somewhat puppeteer by the army, which on second though, could be far fetched. Maybe more likely explanation is Putin keeping friends (FSB) at close and sending possible enemies (army/GRU) to the front like he did to Gerasimov.
 
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Also for me is easy to see how uninterested IRL is someone who is posting phrases like : US sponsored flower revolutions in USSR.
SanMarino doesn't even knows structure of USSR and is thinking that all this was Russia's property and all ppl russians....
U.S so powerful that was capable to destroy USSR externally with low oil prices and huge military expenses.
U.S was not able to destroy even communism in Russia, not alone all USSR...
Unless they had destroyed internally and this had been done mainly by....communists....yeah.

1 st part when real reasons started ...
They had little shadow economy and relatively little corruption level.
Until one genius called Andropov took office.
Deficite and shadow economy already had existed, who you know is more worth than how much money you have.
For Andropov this wasn't enough.
They introduced alcohol sales ammount and time limits....
Nail in coffin.
Underground business peaked up and was awailable even for casual random average joe.
Police? ....vuala, world does knows what stuff bribes are...
Other stuff too...deficit here and there. Laziness here and there.

You need stuff xx, on paper this cost 3,50 .... IRL you pay f.e someone for this 5,00 and gave him additionally some bribe to buy this...
This is just lowest level of corruption....
Connections, who knows you and ofc...underground.
From vodka bottle and plumber's, car mechanic work with ....bribes till really high level stuff.
Klepocracy, nepotism and corruption + underground economy as cultural norm de facto developed damn rapidly.Including underground business due to stupid socialism order....where even to be small self employed was sin...
Huge military expenses and idiotism with Afganistan and loading East Germany with weapons and soldiers more and more.

Gorbachev get windmills like Don Kihot.
They even attempted to win with russian nationalism and cultural ambitions: campaigns against other nations in USSR, accusing them in every problems and to boost russian nationalism and imperialism.
While printed roubles in insane rate, created huge inflation and get even till soap stamps...

Sure, U.S maybe even is responsible for internal laws signed by Mr Andropov!

This get till: Russia dreaming to get rid out of too much printed USSR rouble.
Communists in republics mainly disappointed with crash and due to Russian nationalism peaked up ofc also local ppl in republics weren't happy.

San Marino believes that all these countries MUST be under Russia and then everything will be cool for westerner like San Marino IS in cubicle...
This is what it is.
While when this was like now San Marino is dreaming that is good solution foe HIM....
Russia then had troops in Germany, sponsored North Korea and 1979-1989 Afganistan, Vietnam War, Cuba etc, also...Sadam....Syria...Nikaragua, commies in all world.
Really cool peace solution for westerner in cubicle?
 
So, there some things dreaming west had get from Kremlin.....
I do know that no one here cares how much ppl they killed in purges...0 or >10 000 000.

USSR had supplied communist China with heavy water, research reactor, half built uranium enrichment plant and factory to seperate plutionium.
Later: C-75 missiles.
Etc and etc.
They had supplied North Korea with nuclear fuel, diesel fuel, research reactor...

Sadam: weapons sales till vomit level...
Btw France ( saints ) supplied Sadam with nuclear fuel and research reactor.

USSR had supplied with highly enriched uranium Serbia.
They ordered Warshaw pact countries to produce a lot of weapons and to hold a lot of troops close to western borders+ boost financial support for border guard, police and KGB in these countries.

Baltic countries are just very small village for westerners...
USSR had installed silos for missiles and nuclear armed missiles with....sorry 0 secret where they had been aimed...
London, Paris, Bristol, some very important facrories in western europe, nuclear power plants and ports ofc...
As primary target.
Imagine 1,5 MT nuclear warhead on London, Paris etc?
It isn't just 12-25 kT Hirosima & Nagasaki.

Loks that now " United Russia " dreams even more: empire from Lisbon till Vladivostok.
Medvedev & Co for russians in Russia...
Morozov told that Poland should be deNazified......
 
Interestingly how natural gas supplies correlates with deNazification.
When Poland told that they might live without natural gas from Gazprom.....next day and Morozov is talking about DeNazification in Poland...
 
SandisLL said:
Interestingly how natural gas supplies correlates with deNazification.
When Poland told that they might live without natural gas from Gazprom.....next day and Morozov is talking about DeNazification in Poland...
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Did not make that association at least in regards to Poland. I don't know if I would go that far I think it's because generally people now believe Poland could push Russia sh×t in even harder then Ukraine now an he's like or yeah like a 5 grade bully.
 
Well G7 doing something that could cause problems for China they requested that China stay out of aiding Russia in anyway. Kinda like a counter to European and US aiding Ukraine with Xi requesting the EU and US not to aid Ukraine.
 
Queen B said:
Zelenskyy looks eerily uncomfortable here

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They make him look like a Manlet.
 
PEB said:
He has always been not concerned about his height unlike people like North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, Putin and of course people like Trump. His balls are larger then all 3 of them together lol.
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On the internet and on TV he's 6-5 and benches 325 lbs.
 
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A third of Russia's ground forces, GONE.
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No way, no way
According to @tibba this is just western propaganda.

These forces were, like, expendable, or not really committed, or something something their strategy was never about keeping territory they didn't already have.
Kyiv was a feint, they held the airport at a leisurely pace until the 40 mile convoy feint did its trick and freed them to focus on the north east and south east. Speaking of, Kharkiv was a tactical holding action designed to bring out Ukrainian supply lines so they could be bombed from safely across the border.
Now that those troops have all been tactically withdrawn, Putin can bring his real end game down like a hammer.


Am I doing it right?
 
Russia's invasion not going to plan, Nato says

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Russia's forces were not prepared for the resistance posed by Ukraine


"Jens Stoltenberg also said Ukraine could win the conflict.

Britain's Ministry of Defence (MoD) estimates Russia has lost about a third of its ground combat force since the war began in February.

The Russian invasion has been hampered by stiff Ukrainian resistance and logistical issues.

Its initial goal appeared to be to sweep across the country and topple the Ukrainian government. Instead, Russia has withdrawn from areas around the capital Kyiv after failing to capture it and since mid-April has been focusing its efforts on two eastern provinces.

In Ukraine's second city of Kharkiv, officials say Russian forces have withdrawn from to the border and that residents were returning.

"Russia's war in Ukraine is not going as Moscow had planned," said Mr Stoltenberg.

"They failed to take Kyiv, they are pulling back from around Kharkiv, their major offensive in Donbas has stalled. Russia is not achieving its strategic objectives."

Mr Stoltenberg was speaking at a meeting of Nato foreign ministers.
Russia's invasion not going to plan, Nato says (msn.com)

I dunno @Limbo Pete It looks like NATO is huffing that Hopium big time!
 
PEB said:
Well G7 doing something that could cause problems for China they requested that China stay out of aiding Russia in anyway. Kinda like a counter to European and US aiding Ukraine with Xi requesting the EU and US not to aid Ukraine.
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Xi really should piss off.
All this stuff China is selling to EU basically is cos capitalists want to get more profit from sales.
Buy cheaper, sell and there more profit.
Absolutely nothing not easily replaceable with local production etc. + crap...
 
 
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