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Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

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And you extrapolated that to an asteroid causing WW3.

How about...and this is just a thought...we focus on actual real life world issues and we'll call up Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck if we need them in your scenario?

It could technically cause it and I only used it as an example? Because anything that can crush the world economy is a potential setup for such a scenario..

I only used it as an example to point out something and I am not of the opinion that a stone will land but just used it as an example along with many variables
 
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I know about these submarines and the second strike policy but here is the thing no country puts all of it's nuclear weapons into the ocean but only few perhaps fewer then 30-40 at times meaning if you get sucker punched it will hurt massively and existential and yes the second strike policy will do damage but not nearly able to fuck up someone like the one who pulls the trigger first.

Do the math eating 2000 warheads within an hour vs eating 50 warheads in return from the second strike capability? Which one do you wanna be? the guy being GnP 'ed or the one landing few from below..

It is not remotely the same thing...

China, Russia and North Korea could completely destroy the US within hours the capability is there and combined they are more lethal

Your numbers are not correct.

There is at least 720 nuclear warheads on the 14 US "Ohio" submarines active at all times (and that is discounting the ships in dock). Each bomb is 4 times as powerful as the ones used in Japan. There is no surviving that.

https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/united-states-submarine-capabilities/
 
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has awarded each of the guards the posthumous title of "Hero of Ukraine".

"On our Zmiinyi Island, defending it to the last, all the border guards died heroically," Mr Zelensky said.

Do they still get the title?
 
It could technically cause it and I only used it as an example? Because anything that can crush the world economy is a potential setup into such a scenario..

I only used it as an example to point out something and I am not of the opinion that a stone will land but just used it as an example along with many variables

Yes so "something bad could happen" that could set off WW3. Great.

I think most of us here are pretty aware that life is unpredictable. I also think we're smart enough to realize that it's literally impossible for mankind to prepare for every possible scenario. So we tackle what's actually in front of us.

It's kinda weird I'm having to explain this to be honest, and we're at least a little off topic.
 
Yeah they have been... unfortunately fients cost lives.. it's the nature of war. I said this at the beginning of this. I haven't changed my view point .

Do I think it's gone to plan? No I think they thought the display of force would be enough to keep Ukraine's forces tied up. But Ukraine as been far more willing to engage.. it's why as their losses went up the force Escalated.

To take cities you need infantry. A lot of it to go house to house.. unless your willing to go scorched earth. I haven't seen any mass pushes of infantry so I don't believe Kiev was ever a goal. Apart from tieing up Ukrainian forces.

As I've stated. The line facing donbas was fortified military positions, trenches bunkers etc for 250 miles with veteran military. It would have been carnage for the Russians.

Just my viewpoint mate.

The attack on Kyiv was very clearly not a feint and not a single credible analyst with military experience would believe that it was.
 
Yes so "something bad could happen" that could set off WW3. Great.

I think most of us here are pretty aware that life is unpredictable. I also think we're smart enough to realize that it's literally impossible for mankind to prepare for every possible scenario. So we tackle what's actually in front of us.

I agree we can only tackle what is in front of us today.. I also agree we went off topic
 
Russia attacks USA?

How, trough Alaska?

It would be a catastrophe, let's be serious lol.
 
The attack on Kyiv was very clearly not a feint and not a single credible analyst with military experience would believe that it was.

Bollocks..

Victory condition’: Grim sign Putin could win

Russian forces may be moving to encircle the bulk of Ukraine’s military in a pincer move that “could represent a victory condition”, UK analysts have warned.

While much of the West‘s focus has been dominated by Russia’s apparently stalled attempts to take major cities including Kyiv, Mariupol and Odessa, researchers from the Royal United Services Institute say recent troop movements suggest Moscow’s true goal is to encircle the Ukrainian army.

Most of the nation’s defences remains near the breakaway regions of Donetsk and Luhansk under the aegis of the Joint Forces Operation.

Analysts say preparations for an amphibious assault on Odessa “may have been a feint, given that the ground forces such an assault could have linked up with appear to be moving north”.

“The position of this force is looking increasingly precarious as Russian forces advance to encircle it on three axes,” analyst Sam Cranny-Evans and research fellow Dr Sidharth Kaushal wrote in the report, titled Not Out of the Woods Yet: Assessing the Operational Situation in Ukraine.

“Viewed in conjunction, these advances present a troubling picture whereby the Ukrainian forces opposite Donetsk and Luhansk are at risk of encirclement on the eastern side of the Dnieper.

“If this is indeed the focus of Russia’s approach, then the emphasis on Russia‘s ability to take major cities as a metric of success will have been an analytical error, as Russia appears more intent on pinning Ukrainian forces in cities like Kharkiv while it bypasses them.”

For Ukraine, this represents a critical moment,” they wrote. “The encirclement and destruction of a large part of the country’s regular armed forces could represent a victory condition for Russia in two ways.”

They point to 1940, when German forces did not besiege Paris. “Having encircled the French army in the field and decisively beaten it, this became unnecessary,” they wrote.

“To hold Kyiv and other major cities at the cost of allowing the forces of the JFO to be encircled could prove disastrous. Even if Ukrainian will did not collapse following the encirclement and destruction of the JFO, the elimination of this force could lead Russia to claim it had achieved its goal of demilitarising Ukraine and would enable an annexation of Donetsk and Luhansk at a minimum.”

They add that for an insurgency to be successful, “they require a regular force to both pin the attention of an occupier and conduct eventual counteroffensives”.

“The survival of the forces currently in the east of Ukraine would therefore be critical to an insurgency’s success,” they wrote.


 
Would need more than 100.000 if we go by numbers
Last time they started with about 200k + four tank brigades and had overwhelming material and technological superiority. This time Finns have technical superiority on ground at least. I think it'll take Russians 5-10 years after sanctions are lifted to have a threatening army again. By that time might have land mines back or have finished the coming up with the replacement tech. Good luck crossing the border after that. You simply can't win full scale wars these days by sending your hordes to battle.
 
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has awarded each of the guards the posthumous title of "Hero of Ukraine".

"On our Zmiinyi Island, defending it to the last, all the border guards died heroically," Mr Zelensky said.

Do they still get the title?

Honestly he should give commanders of harkov a medal

That city is on fire since day 1 and they pushed russians out after 1 month of fighting
 
Last time they started with about 200k + four tank brigades and had overwhelming material and technological superiority. This time Finns have technical superiority on ground at least. I think it'll take Russians 5-10 years after sanctions are lifted to have a threatening army again. By that time might have land mines back or have finished the coming up with the replacement tech. Good luck crossing the border after that. You simply can't win full scale wars these days by sending your hordes to battle.

Meh i have zero trust in our military, we are not same as back then
 
Honestly he should give commanders of harkov a medal

That city is on fire since day 1 and they pushed russians out after 1 month of fighting

That would be legitimate and worthy
 
Meh i have zero trust in our military, we are not same as back then
All of my current friends who have been in army are solid. With advantages in terrain, tech and 230000 in reserves I'm pretty confident that there's enough good fighting material to hold back 200k Russians.
 
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All of my current friends who have been in army are solid. With advantages in terrain, tech and 230000 in reserves I'm pretty confident that there's enough good fighting material to hold back 200k Russians.

Anti air and air force is better than ukr on paper but at the rate of missiles being fired in ukr we would be out in 3 days, on ground especially at infantry level things start running out especially anti tank weapons.

Lack of combat experience is big problem too
 
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Bollocks..

Victory condition’: Grim sign Putin could win

Russian forces may be moving to encircle the bulk of Ukraine’s military in a pincer move that “could represent a victory condition”, UK analysts have warned.

While much of the West‘s focus has been dominated by Russia’s apparently stalled attempts to take major cities including Kyiv, Mariupol and Odessa, researchers from the Royal United Services Institute say recent troop movements suggest Moscow’s true goal is to encircle the Ukrainian army.

Most of the nation’s defences remains near the breakaway regions of Donetsk and Luhansk under the aegis of the Joint Forces Operation.

Analysts say preparations for an amphibious assault on Odessa “may have been a feint, given that the ground forces such an assault could have linked up with appear to be moving north”.

“The position of this force is looking increasingly precarious as Russian forces advance to encircle it on three axes,” analyst Sam Cranny-Evans and research fellow Dr Sidharth Kaushal wrote in the report, titled Not Out of the Woods Yet: Assessing the Operational Situation in Ukraine.

“Viewed in conjunction, these advances present a troubling picture whereby the Ukrainian forces opposite Donetsk and Luhansk are at risk of encirclement on the eastern side of the Dnieper.

“If this is indeed the focus of Russia’s approach, then the emphasis on Russia‘s ability to take major cities as a metric of success will have been an analytical error, as Russia appears more intent on pinning Ukrainian forces in cities like Kharkiv while it bypasses them.”

For Ukraine, this represents a critical moment,” they wrote. “The encirclement and destruction of a large part of the country’s regular armed forces could represent a victory condition for Russia in two ways.”

They point to 1940, when German forces did not besiege Paris. “Having encircled the French army in the field and decisively beaten it, this became unnecessary,” they wrote.

“To hold Kyiv and other major cities at the cost of allowing the forces of the JFO to be encircled could prove disastrous. Even if Ukrainian will did not collapse following the encirclement and destruction of the JFO, the elimination of this force could lead Russia to claim it had achieved its goal of demilitarising Ukraine and would enable an annexation of Donetsk and Luhansk at a minimum.”

They add that for an insurgency to be successful, “they require a regular force to both pin the attention of an occupier and conduct eventual counteroffensives”.

“The survival of the forces currently in the east of Ukraine would therefore be critical to an insurgency’s success,” they wrote.


Erh... this article does not claim that the attack on Kyiv was a feint.
 
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