Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[aries]

All ICBMs are hypersonic. US and Russia both have the capability to launch a failsafe retaliatory strike. No one gets out alive. No one's going to get caught "sleeping" the automatic protocols have been in place for decades.

Yeah ICBM's travel much faster than these hypersonics. The hype over them seems to be because they fly at low altitude and don't show up radar but apparently they give off a big heat signature because of the large air resistance they get flying so low so they can be tracked by satellites.

 

[Feniamin]

15,600 dead Russian soldiers in roughly 4 weeks! Wow.
I think Putin will easily burn through between 500,000 and 1,000,000 soldiers if he has to. Russia will eventually take over the Ukraine.
The best way to end this is to take Putin out. Either the Russians do it or the West will do it for them.
Where is the Israeli Mossad when you need them?

I’ve seen let’s called it a theory in Russian internet that if things got worse Russia might start to offer citizenship in exchange of joining the army (to these millions of males from Central Asian countries).
Regarding Putin, you really believe it will change anything? From Russian opposition - Navalny was not happy with war with Georgia because Russia was too soft, oligarch and supporter of opposition media Khodorkovsky said (if I remember his words right) that if Chechnya/North Caucasus will try to become independent he will support Russia (I am not sure but I believe he even said that he will return to Russia and join Russian army). Maybe I am not aware of something but I believe pretty much all Russian parties, politicians and presidential candidates says the same thing - we need to help people in rebel republics, evil Ukrainians are discriminating them and kill children of Donbas with missiles/rockets/mines.

 

[MicroBrew]

That's not 100% why, it's proprietary Israeli tech and simply "handing it over" is an elongated, expensive and arduous process that also lends itself to being replicated or deconstructed by opposing parties if it were to fall into the wrong hands. Russia allows Israel to hit targets in North Syria, pissing them off is a giant threat to Israel, but Zelensky does not care.

UAE and Saudi have used Pegasus software. As for the iron dome, I mentioned in an earlier post that Israel does not want to jeopardize Russian acquiescence to targeting Hezbollah and Iranian forces inside Syria. The Russians have anti aircraft systems but they do not target Israeli aircraft.

 

[PEB]

Chechen fighters without helmets and body armor running around Mariupol the area with the most brutal fighting in the streets. Going to be a lot of KIA's from Chechnya. It's Putin's way he could give a crap less about the men on the ground. Russia bombing the citizens buildings but yeah they don't do that stuff STFU.

 

[Captain Herb]

Yeah ICBM's travel much faster than these hypersonics. The hype over them seems to be because they fly at low altitude and don't show up radar but apparently they give off a big heat signature because of the large air resistance they get flying so low so they can be tracked by satellites.

Also, the "real" hypersonics should be able to change course unpredictably, whereas ballistic missiles are highly predictable. As you said, it's their speed that makes both of them them effective. Apparently Russia doesn't have those maneuverable missiles yet.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Not anymore. Their nukes do count for something -- if they can fly. Some ICBMs date back to the 1950s.

US and NATO are 'supporting' Ukrainian fighters on the ground. That is it. Wasn't North Korea and North Vietnam supported by China? China was not fighting a war with the US in Korea or Vietnam. If Russian nukes the US, the US would nuke Russia. How would Russia benefit by nuking the US? Both the US and Russia would cease to exist.

Yes, I agree with you 100% on this issue.
* I think Putin will be gone in 12 months. A chance for the new younger Russian generation to make a better country.

They wouldn't benefit from it, but if the US and NATO actually do enforce a no fly zone, and start shooting down Russian planes, I think Russia uses Nukes.

 

[Badr Hari]

Chechen fighters without helmets and body armor running around Mariupol the area with the most brutal fighting in the streets. Going to be a lot of KIA's from Chechnya. It's Putin's way he could give a crap less about the men on the ground. Russia bombing the citizens buildings but yeah they don't do that stuff STFU.

Saw that video three or four times. It was one of those propaganda videos from Kadirov. You can see russian news agency professional cameras in front. Plus nobody was shooting back to them, it is not really a fight when your opponent isn't here. They will never capture actual combat footage. A few days ago they posted a video of their fighters shooting upwards on empty destroyed buildings and than saving a kid and a woman. Pure propaganda.

 

[PEB]

Saw that video three or four times. It was one of those propaganda videos from Kadirov. You can see russian news agency professional cameras in front. Plus nobody was shooting back to them, it is not really a fight when your opponent isn't here. They will never capture actual combat footage. A few days ago they posted a video of their fighters shooting upwards on empty destroyed buildings and than saving a kid and a woman. Pure propaganda.

I pointed out there will be a lot of dead killed in action" Chechen fighters if they go out in a real situation running around like that in the streets.

 

[Cole train]

Chechen fighters without helmets and body armor running around Mariupol the area with the most brutal fighting in the streets. Going to be a lot of KIA's from Chechnya. It's Putin's way he could give a crap less about the men on the ground. Russia bombing the citizens buildings but yeah they don't do that stuff STFU.

It's separatist (DPR) doing heavy fighting in mariupol

Chechens as usual either in not so heavy stuff or posing

 

[Terry Noonan]

I just got back from Ukraine, I can confirm no Russians have died. This is fake news from the western elites.

 

[Strychnine]

Funkin it up?

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[Strychnine]

At least they didn't think he was a chocolate giant...
Miracle at St. Anna was a great damn movie!!!
Sorry, first thing that came to mind when I read that.

 

[Strychnine]

I see the articles, I am having a hard time believing they are accurate information at this point in time.

Fair enough.

 

[GhostZ06]

Those numbers are definitely not real. 15k Russian soliers dead and 1.6k Ukranian soliders, yeah sounds legit. Ukraine is being decimated and I'm to believe that they are have only suffered 1/10th the losses of Russia. Absolute nonsense, and couldn't be much more unbelievable. I wouldn't put any stock into Ukraninan numbers after seeing that.

id say the UA losses are probably about 1400ish not including Civ causalities

Russians id guess 9000-12,000. (keep in mind the open communications)

 

[GhostZ06]

given the destructive power of modern man portable anti tank weapons, do you think going forward there will be less emphasis on sizeable tank deployments by armies? those things are pricey.

I think we will see Trophy systems become more a standard maybe smart ai controlled Direct energy weapons to counter ATGMS.

Tanks are probably also gonna be going more toward a unmanned turret set up and have more of a cockpit set up, much like the T-14 uses. We tested one called the TTB back in the 80s



https://defence-blog.com/us-army-to-integrate-unmanned-turret-on-iconic-abrams-tank/

Its goes to show that Javy and NLAWS smart missiles are incredibly well designed.

 

[Strychnine]

Yeah, they're mainly talking about the country folk who have never seen a person of color. Get stares, called 'monkey' or the N-word. Basically like going to rural Georgia or Alabama.

Hey!

 

[My Spot]

Yeah, they're mainly talking about the country folk who have never seen a person of color. Get stares, called 'monkey' or the N-word. Basically like going to rural Georgia or Alabama.

Plenty of black people live in those places though.

 

[Strychnine]

Ukraine’s military forces Russian troops east of Kyiv back 55 km from city center

Russian troops face major setback east of Kyiv and moving into defensive positions

"In a significant movement, Ukraine's military forces have pushed back Russian forces east of Kyiv to 55 kilometers from the city center, according to a senior defense official.

For weeks, and as recently as Tuesday, Russian forces have been kept at bay approximately 20 to 30 kilometers from the center of the capital city.

The official said that Ukrainian forces near Bovary "have been able to push the Russians back to about 55 kilometers east and northeast of Kyiv."

The ability to push back Russian forces nearly twice as far as where they had been for weeks is in line with what the official had said on Tuesday were indications that in some areas Ukrainian forces were attempting to retake territory taken by Russia. "Ukrainians are not only in some of these places up sufficiently defending they're going on the offense in some of these places and actually pushing the Russians backwards, or in the case of Kiev, they're, they're basically forcing them into a defensive position," the official said Wednesday."

Ukraine’s military forces Russian troops east of Kyiv back 55 km from city center (msn.com)

 

[Badr Hari]

I'll say one thing though, only morons believe Putin will accept a peace deal of any kind, unless his shit is getting pushed in for real. If there is any kind of back and forth action war, he is prolonging this mess for years only to put Ukraine into a submission. And I'm starting to be skeptical about the effects of the sanctions. He doesn't bother being isolated. Those who are against his ideas have either fled already this month (around 200k) or will flee in the coming months. The others will keep their mouths shut.

It's pretty much one of the two scenarios. It's either a years long war with Ukraine being forced to submit (at least technically) or the West grows a pair and gives Ukraine real weapons (not just anti tanks and stingers) and they kill as many russian soldiers as it becomes unsustainable for Putko. Hoping the numbers of several thousands of KIA russian soldiers are true and the second scenario will come into fruition. Again, just hoping.

 

[Captain Herb]

Plenty of black people live in those places though.

Yeah, that's is a difference. I was just kind of joking that the result is the same. But not joking too much