Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[SandisLL]

China and Kremlin chapter from 1 st part of tale.
China had established good relationship with USSR in 1949 vs Joseph Stalin.
This had continued also under Nikita till 1959 th.
Then Nikita withdrew all soviet assistance in nuclear field for China.
Real reason most likely was cos he get that China will not be peasants nation and small brother for USSR.
1950 ies Soviets had helped China to learn about nukes, to build small research reactor etc. 1956-1959 nuclear assistance from USSR was huge thing.
1960 th: Nikita ceased any help in nuclear field.
Both, West and USSR had assumed that if China will attempt to make nuke, it will be gun type HEU bomb or implosion type plutonium bomb.
They were wrong; China had detonated implosion design HEU bomb.
In 1966 th they had launched very large plutonium production reactor, in 1973-1974 next, very large giant & reactor specially designed to produce not only weapons grade plutonium, also super grade plutonium if needed.
In 1970 ies China with 0 problems produced ; enriched uranium , weapons and super grade plutonium, Li6, tritium etc production.

Later there were some beautiful things, one from these; they bought weapons, then not only copied but even improved design,.......

 

[Source]

this is why I think nuclear fallout is almost an impossibility because NOBODY wins if it happens. And China is obviously telling Poots not to do it because it isn’t in China’s best interest.
I do think there is a big possibility of Poots dropping a tact nuke on Mauripol to gauge the worlds response and a Hail Mary to try and end the war on the spot.

He doesn’t need to use a nuke to do that though. He can level the city any time he wants. All a nuke does is polarize a response from the rest of the world. It condemnation or near annihilation of the human species. That doesn’t seem like a reasonable risk reward.


In general I think it is strange Putin has risked a nuclear war over Ukraine. It also proves that the western aggression line was a lie he didn’t believe.

 

[Armbars]

Pres. Putin has put one of his CIA (the FSB) on house arrest.

Putin places head of the FSB's foreign intelligence branch under house arrest | Daily Mail Online

Putin Places Spies Under House Arrest - CNNBC

Putin's reported arrest of Russian intel official shows frustration with progress of Ukraine invasion: expert (yahoo.com)

It's not that far fetched to think that if you displease him.... Gulag.

Or worse.

I see the articles, I am having a hard time believing they are accurate information at this point in time.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

oh god wait, that is japan's product, god , I'm getting way too much hammered there.

I'll send you some plum wine my friend.

 

[GhostZ06]

China and Kremlin chapter from 1 st part of tale.
China had established good relationship with USSR in 1949 vs Joseph Stalin.
This had continued also under Nikita till 1959 th.
Then Nikita withdrew all soviet assistance in nuclear field for China.
Real reason most likely was cos he get that China will not be peasants nation and small brother for USSR.
1950 ies Soviets had helped China to learn about nukes, to build small research reactor etc. 1956-1959 nuclear assistance from USSR was huge thing.
1960 th: Nikita ceased any help in nuclear field.
Both, West and USSR had assumed that if China will attempt to make nuke, it will be gun type HEU bomb or implosion type plutonium bomb.
They were wrong; China had detonated implosion design HEU bomb.
In 1966 th they had launched very large plutonium production reactor, in 1973-1974 next, very large giant & reactor specially designed to produce not only weapons grade plutonium, also super grade plutonium if needed.
In 1970 ies China with 0 problems produced ; enriched uranium , weapons and super grade plutonium, Li6, tritium etc production.

Later there were some beautiful things, one from these; they bought weapons, then not only copied but even improved design,.......

Not really.....so far they have proven false. Most of the chinese weapons have been hype with little to no proof.

They're skills nuclear and metallurgy are pretty bad hints why they canceled they're nuclear carrier program. Also we are seeing first hand in the conflict the quality of Chinese made equipment in this war. Theyre tires are absolutely horrid(russian wheeled vehicles are using Chinese rubber), and they're radios and communications equipment is pretty bad, and when i mean bad, they don't work.

 

[Dexter]

When I paste Песчаное into google maps it brings up one in Crimea, but apparently there is also another village with the same name elsewhere in Ukraine, so ok they must have meant the other one.

Localities can mean any territory as small even as small as a neighborhood block, but you were responding to another poster asking specifically about cities. So far the only city I know that Russia has captured is Kherson, which was captured around 3/3.

Yep, it was my bad - need to check all of them to actually point out cities. Not very familiar with that area.
I checked the Russian MoD operational theatre - all of the Kherson region is under Russian control right now https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Херсонская_область#Города, and like 90% of Luhansk region https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Луганская_область.

What I saw in videos\photos by myself:

- Volnovakha
- Kherson
- Melitopol
- Sumy
- Novaya Kahovka
- Hostomel
- Bucha
- Genichesk
- Kupyansk
- Berdyansk
- Tokmak
- Vasilievka

Might be missing some lesser ones.

UPD. Found this list, cross-checked with mine, seems pretty OK:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_of_cities_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

 

[The Diplomat]

I see the articles, I am having a hard time believing they are accurate information at this point in time.

Aye. There's definitely an information war going on, and with how naive most social media goers were before the war, it doesn't help that many will like/share without verifying. I do think that regardless of whatevers really happening, Russia has done a rather poor job in the informational conflict.

 

[pinger]

City in Ukraine doesn’t have the same meaning as a city in the US.

Clearly. If a town has a farmer with one tractor is a city.

 

[SandisLL]

At least they had proved that they are able to make thermonuclear weapons; it is proven.
Next: China in 1990 ies had stopped to use their plutonium production reactors.
Most likely cos expenses to handle huge ammount of plutonium they already had.
China also had detonated thermonuclear weapons with state of art 'dry' design in 1960 ies, thing France and U.K achieved only in 1970 ies......

 

[Armbars]

Aye. There's definitely an information war going on, and with how naive most social media goers were before the war, it doesn't help. I do think that regardless of whatevers really happening, Russia has done a rather poor job in the informational conflict.

Well yeah, from the West POV it's looking terrible for Russia. However, we getting the information they want us to get. As an example RT is no longer a channel you'd be able to tune into to get any form of Information from.
I got some gaming pals in Serbia, they get different news to me.

 

[Source]

Aye. There's definitely an information war going on, and with how naive most social media goers were before the war, it doesn't help that many will like/share without verifying. I do think that regardless of whatevers really happening, Russia has done a rather poor job in the informational conflict.

If Putin’s goal was only continue to manipulate and control the Russian and pro Russian factions then he has done a fine job.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Clearly. If a town has a farmer with one tractor is a city.

that farmer and his john deere are still gonna put up a hell of a resistance! it might take two weeks to take over the place, after they bring in some reinforcements from belarus.

 

[The Diplomat]

If Putin’s goal was only continue to manipulate and control the Russian and pro Russian factions then he has done a fine job.

Indeed. But I doubt a goal of his was to have his country completely banished and shunned by most of the western world. That seat in the UN is paper thin right now.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I think it's safe to say that if you had any idea of appearing impartial in this thread you can put it to rest.

 

[Bald1]

He doesn’t need to use a nuke to do that though. He can level the city any time he wants. All a nuke does is polarize a response from the rest of the world. It condemnation or all out annihilation of the human species. That’s doesn’t seem like a reasonable risk reward.


In general I think it is strange Putin has risked a nuclear war over Ukraine. It also proves that the western aggression line was a lie he didn’t believe.

I'm sure Russia has something like a MOAB. Failing that, they could drop big anvils or pianos as that seems more inline with their level of competence and effectiveness as of now. I can't think of a better way for Putin to escalate to all out international war than using nukes on the EU/NATO doorstep. And I doubt he's willing to go that far.

But then again I didn't think he'd attempt an all out invasion so what do I know?

 

[The Diplomat]

Well yeah, from the West POV it's looking terrible for Russia. However, we getting the information they want us to get. As an example RT is no longer a channel you'd be able to tune into to get any form of Information from.
I got some gaming pals in Serbia, they get different news to me.

I still like to go on r/Russia just to see their perspective. Regardless of what anyone wants to say about the west and our media, atleast we're allowed to have differing opinions without fear of fines, jail time or worse. And if something does happen, then usually it's public record, and not hidden away.

 

[Source]

Indeed. But I doubt a goal of his was to have his country completely banished and shunned by most of the western world. That seat in the UN is paper thin right now.

I do think that is what he wants. It apart of evil west is brainwashed and is against us. It allows him to justify his aggressions.

 

[Armbars]

I still like to go on r/Russia just to see their perspective. Regardless of what anyone wants to say about the west and our media, atleast we're allowed to have differing opinions without fear of fines, jail time or worse. And if something does happen, then usually it's public record, and not hidden away.

Yeah, we take for granted some pretty basic freedoms.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I'm sure Russia has something like a MOAB. Failing that, they could drop big anvils or pianos as that seems more inline with their level of competence and effectiveness as of now. I can't think of a better way for Putin to escalate to all out international war than using nukes on the EU/NATO doorstep. And I doubt he's willing to go that far.

But then again I didn't think he'd attempt an all out invasion so what do I know?

if they resort to dropping anvils and pianos onto ukranian buildings, then i would only hope that a bunch of tractors rain down from the sky over in moscow! fuck yeah for 21'st century war tactics!! society has really advanced!

 

[DizzyDaze]

He doesn’t need to use a nuke to do that though. He can level the city any time he wants. All a nuke does is polarize a response from the rest of the world. It condemnation or near annihilation of the human species. That doesn’t seem like a reasonable risk reward.


In general I think it is strange Putin has risked a nuclear war over Ukraine. It also proves that the western aggression line was a lie he didn’t believe.

Maybe dudes really just sick and literally doesn't care/love about anybody truly and wants to go out in a delayed bang