Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[mkess101]

I am not saying it is going to happen, just that it's actually becoming a possibility now, when in the past I never thought the tension would ever get this high. The US is intervening in a Russian war. This is bad for everyone.
I'm not saying Russia would come out unscathed, and it's possible they could lose the war as well, real possible. It's just a fact that the US can't defend against hyersonic nukes, that is admitted by the US.

The fact is that Russia has more advanced missile technology than the US, and when it comes to weapons of war, the missile capabilites can make the difference between winning and losing in this modern era. I also don't believe Russia would be able to defend against a US attack, but I think Russia would strike first. The problem with the US retaliating against Russia is that China is Russia's ally, and there is a lot of tension between China and the US already. If China joined the war on the side of Russia, it might not even matter if NATO backs the US, they might lose anyway.

This whole situation is a big mess and the US should have just stayed out of it from the beginning, that's my opinion.

We have enough nuclear firepower on our subs alone to leave Russia and China smoldering holes in the ground. If Russia launches ICBM's at us, there are automatic system responses that would launch back at them.

China is tippy toeing around this whole situation, they are trying to stay out of it as much as possible. Thinking it's some sort of automatic thing that they'd jump to Russia's defense...not really. It's possible, but far from a lock.

 

[Armbars]

You sure bud

it's okay to admit you're wrong.
Maybe log off for a bit

 

[Dexter]

All of central Europe got proper fucked by the great powers. Every single one of those countries. From fragmenting cohesive economies to arbitrary redrawing of borders and making people citizens of hostile nations, to everything in between. They all got fucked. And most of those countries did some dirty shit.

So what's your point? That past wrongs make current ones right? That because another power did it it's cool now? History is full of wrongs and stuff that shouldn't have happened. Does that mean we perpetuate the same shit that got us here?

But but but, what about? Who cares. If we keep looking back we'll never move forward.

What are you talking about? We were discussing pre-WW2 situation aka seizing of Czech, Poland and Winter War of 1939. No additional context.

 

[GhostZ06]

 

[GhostZ06]

Russia does not have more advanced missile technology. In fact, I wonder how many of those ICBMs from the 1950s are still able to fly without maintenance.

The US did stay out of it from the beginning, that is why this whole thing is a mess now.

we basically are sending weapons. That's it....we are not directly involved in the fighting.

 

[Strychnine]

Putin's advisors are 'on edge' as the Ukraine war has turned into a fiasco for the Russian military, expert says

"Russian President Vladimir Putin's advisors are "on edge" as Russia's war with Ukraine has devolved into a debacle — with Russian troops met by stronger Ukrainian resistance than anticipated, an expert told The New York Times.

"It looks like everybody is on edge," Andrei Soldatov, an author and expert on Russia's military and security services, told the news outlet in a report published Tuesday.

Soldatov said Russia's military failures in its monthlong war with Ukraine had begun to show cracks within Russian leadership.

"We can definitively say that nothing is going to plan," Pavel Luzin, a Russian military analyst, told The Times. "It has been decades since the Soviet and Russian armies have seen such great losses in such a short period of time."

Putin has reportedly begun purging his inner circle as the invasion drags on."

Putin's advisors are 'on edge' as the Ukraine war has turned into a fiasco for the Russian military, expert says (msn.com)

Do you

A: Tell the truth and risk "retirement" by Tokarev?

Spoiler

Or

B: Tell him what he wants to hear while you get a bug-out bag ready?

 

[method115]

The fact is that Russia has more advanced missile technology than the US, and when it comes to weapons of war, the missile capabilites can make the difference between winning and losing in this modern era.

Yea but the problem is once nukes start flying that's it. It doesn't matter who has more advanced missiles we're all dead. China wont be helping anyone. They'll sit back and watch both world powers destroy each other and then come in to be the cleanup crew and take over. You say China is an ally of Russia like it matters. China cares about China and the best thing to do in a situation like that is sit back and let Russia and the US nuke each other. The US has submarines all over the world with nukes. It would be idiotic to get involved in a nuke war and hope one of those subs doesn't release them on you. The best thing for China to do would be to stay out of it and then come in looking like the heroes once both countries are gone.

 

[Bald1]

What are you talking about? We were discussing pre-WW2 situation aka seizing of Czech, Poland and Winter War of 1939. No additional context.

Of course. You wouldn't pull any red herring type of bullshit in a thread about Russia invading a sovereign country. No sir.

Btw, what circumstances made what you were talking about possible if not probable? Here's a hint; starts with Paris and ends with Treaties. Exactly what I was getting at. A backwards looking set of documents which all but guaranteed the perpetuation of the first WW.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

and to think that their precision weapons were supposed to be on point with all of the civilian shit they've been hitting. now they're bringing in bombs that are even dumber?

their precision is not very precise.

 

[Versez]

i'm pretty sure that the rest of my DNA consists of alcohol and thc.

crack open a cold one my friend.

 

[Source]

There's a joke about communism to be made here somewhere

But really, they thought they'd be in Kiev in a week. They expected this to go like Dessert Storm 1 for the US

And holy shit were they not ready for Ukraine to hold on like they did

I just can’t believe this to be the case. Putin has shown a willingness to level an entire city. So on hand his siege of Kiev has to be planned. Then in the other if it was planned then why don’t they have sufficient provisions and supplies? They don’t enter something like this with one plan they have hundreds of scenarios mapped out. Either something happened behind the scenes that they didn’t account for or this is part of the plan.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Putin's advisors are 'on edge' as the Ukraine war has turned into a fiasco for the Russian military, expert says

"Russian President Vladimir Putin's advisors are "on edge" as Russia's war with Ukraine has devolved into a debacle — with Russian troops met by stronger Ukrainian resistance than anticipated, an expert told The New York Times.

"It looks like everybody is on edge," Andrei Soldatov, an author and expert on Russia's military and security services, told the news outlet in a report published Tuesday.

Soldatov said Russia's military failures in its monthlong war with Ukraine had begun to show cracks within Russian leadership.

"We can definitively say that nothing is going to plan," Pavel Luzin, a Russian military analyst, told The Times. "It has been decades since the Soviet and Russian armies have seen such great losses in such a short period of time."

Putin has reportedly begun purging his inner circle as the invasion drags on."

ukranian farmers doing god's work!

 

[Armbars]

Putin's advisors are 'on edge' as the Ukraine war has turned into a fiasco for the Russian military, expert says

"Russian President Vladimir Putin's advisors are "on edge" as Russia's war with Ukraine has devolved into a debacle — with Russian troops met by stronger Ukrainian resistance than anticipated, an expert told The New York Times.

"It looks like everybody is on edge," Andrei Soldatov, an author and expert on Russia's military and security services, told the news outlet in a report published Tuesday.

Soldatov said Russia's military failures in its monthlong war with Ukraine had begun to show cracks within Russian leadership.

"We can definitively say that nothing is going to plan," Pavel Luzin, a Russian military analyst, told The Times. "It has been decades since the Soviet and Russian armies have seen such great losses in such a short period of time."

Putin has reportedly begun purging his inner circle as the invasion drags on."

Putin's advisors are 'on edge' as the Ukraine war has turned into a fiasco for the Russian military, expert says (msn.com)

Do you

A: Tell the truth and risk "retirement" by Tokarev?

Spoiler

Or

B: Tell him what he wants to hear while you get a bug-out bag ready?

How can we believe right at this point this isn't nonsense?

Did you ever watch RT during any US invasion of a foreign country ? It was fill with nonsense, which I suspect is exactly what all of these western media stories are.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

crack open a cold one my friend.

have to head back to work in a little while. but tonight i will.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

How can we believe right at this point this isn't nonsense?

Did you ever watch RT

i cant believe that you put the first sentence together and then followed it up with these words.

hey you know that stuff is probably nonsense right?

hey did you see that article from the babylon bee..

 

[Dexter]

Of course. You wouldn't pull any red herring type of bullshit in a thread about Russia invading a sovereign country. No sir.

Btw, what circumstances made what you were talking about possible if not probable? Here's a hint; starts with Paris and ends with Treaties. Exactly what I was getting at. A backwards looking set of documents which all but guaranteed the perpetuation of the first WW.

It's not me who "pull red herring type of bullshit in a thread about Russia invading a sovereign country". For some reason, I'm being blamed from everything Russia did in a span of the last 100 years . And I'm forced to correct the most obvious mistakes, like the reasons of the 2nd Chechen War, Beslan tragedy or seizing of "Poland".

 

[CorporateTool]

Since there have already been a few responses that cover most of this I am going to focus on a couple points:

If Russia were to launch nuclear weapons at the US they would be destroyed by the United States Nuclear arsenal in turn. There is no “getting away unscathed”. The terrifying part of nuclear war is that there are no winners, only losers. It’s a global suicide vest. Hypersonic missles are an irrelevancy in this context because while we may not be able to shoot them down we can detect their launch. Meaning that this action would still result in the destruction of Russia and the world.

Which is one of the many many many reasons China’s opinion of an American reprisal is also irrelevant, because in the event of this worst possible scenario everyone dies anyway.

2ndly, due to China benefiting greatly from a stable world to prop up their economy, I find it highly unlikely they would support Russia upending that in the event of Russia even utilizing a limited nuclear strike as that is not in Chinas interests.

I am not saying it is going to happen, just that it's actually becoming a possibility now, when in the past I never thought the tension would ever get this high. The US is intervening in a Russian war. This is bad for everyone.
I'm not saying Russia would come out unscathed, and it's possible they could lose the war as well, real possible. It's just a fact that the US can't defend against hyersonic nukes, that is admitted by the US.

The fact is that Russia has more advanced missile technology than the US, and when it comes to weapons of war, the missile capabilites can make the difference between winning and losing in this modern era. I also don't believe Russia would be able to defend against a US attack, but I think Russia would strike first. The problem with the US retaliating against Russia is that China is Russia's ally, and there is a lot of tension between China and the US already. If China joined the war on the side of Russia, it might not even matter if NATO backs the US, they might lose anyway.

This whole situation is a big mess and the US should have just stayed out of it from the beginning, that's my opinion.

 

[Strychnine]

How can we believe right at this point this isn't nonsense?

Did you ever watch RT during any US invasion of a foreign country ? It was fill with nonsense, which I suspect is exactly what all of these western media stories are.

Pres. Putin has put one of his CIA (the FSB) on house arrest.

Putin places head of the FSB's foreign intelligence branch under house arrest | Daily Mail Online

Putin Places Spies Under House Arrest - CNNBC

Putin's reported arrest of Russian intel official shows frustration with progress of Ukraine invasion: expert (yahoo.com)

It's not that far fetched to think that if you displease him.... Gulag.

Or worse.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

not sure about the merit of this story, but it makes for a good headliner anyways

Putin facing revolt as soldiers refuse to deploy to Ukraine: diplomat

According to a Ukrainian diplomat speaking on the Daily Beast's "The New Abnormal" podcast, Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine has multiple problems hampering his attempt to take over the country and now it is being compounded by soldiers refusing to take part in the war against their neighbors.

Speaking with host Molly Jong-Fast, Ukraine's Olexander Scherba explained Putin is now facing some harder choices as the invasion drags on.

With host Jong-Fast stating the invasion seems like a "humongous miscalculation" on the part of Putin, Scherba replied, "The goals he is trying to reach here are unreachable. The people in this country hate him and during this war he will realize the people of this country will hate him even more."

"One should understand the context of the Russian Ukrainian relations for centuries. Russians always saw Ukrainians as a part of the Russian people who choose to speak these funny dialects, who are peasants, "he explained before saying Putin "fell victim to his own propaganda."

Claiming that young soldiers who have entered the country are "extremely demotivated" he added, "I think, pretty much, everybody outside of his very closed circle around Putin knows that this campaign is going down the drain... We have received reports that soldiers from Crimea are refusing to be deployed to Odessa, to fight for Odessa. They see the warships approach the coast and suddenly stop and turned away."

"We, in Ukraine were clueless what was happening. Then it turns out, when they realize why they were sent, refused to," he added. "So if even Russian soldiers are refusing to get involved, why would China want to get involved with this campaign?"

He added, "The [Ukrainian] soldiers are ready to fight until the last drop of blood here and Russian soldiers increasingly are clueless about what they’re doing here.”

You can listen below:

https://www.rawstory.com/putin-ukraine-2656959595/

 

[meauneau]