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Russia/Ukraine Megathread V5

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Gracious Warrior said:
Ok so here's the way that I see it. Russia is just too superior to Ukraine militarily and so the outcome is a forgone conclusion. Russia will capture Ukraine but will be a weaker state financially and politically when it's over.

The fight that Ukraine is putting up is futile. The loss of civilian and military life is unnecessary. What's the point of sacrificing thousands of lives when in the end the fight for independence will fail?

At this point the responsible, humane thing for Ukraine to do is to use as much of its resources as necessary to help current citizens safely flee the country. They should also accommodate the Ukrainians who are willing to live under a newly Russian controlled state. Both of these objectives can materialize if Ukraine cedes its statehood to Russia. I'm confident that Russia would both allow the safe passage of refugees and try to normalize life as much as possible for Ukrainians who decide to stay within the new state.

My desire for this outcome is to preserve as much innocent life as possible. My understanding is that if war continues as it is now then tens of thousands will surely die as their government fights a futile fight against a superior power.

But let me make clear that I don't justify Russia's actions. The invasion was dubious in the first place and thousands of innocent people have already died. Putin therefore has blood on his hands. I don't know how and if he can ever be held accountable for this, but history will not be kind to him.

Again, my desire is to ultimately preserve as much life as possible. Unfortunately, the only way I see that happening is with Ukraine abdicating its statehood to Russia.
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You would have tapped after the first punch..
 
Gracious Warrior said:
Ok so here's the way that I see it. Russia is just too superior to Ukraine militarily and so the outcome is a forgone conclusion. Russia will capture Ukraine but will be a weaker state financially and politically when it's over.

The fight that Ukraine is putting up is futile. The loss of civilian and military life is unnecessary. What's the point of sacrificing thousands of lives when in the end the fight for independence will fail?

At this point the responsible, humane thing for Ukraine to do is to use as much of its resources as necessary to help current citizens safely flee the country. They should also accommodate the Ukrainians who are willing to live under a newly Russian controlled state. Both of these objectives can materialize if Ukraine cedes its statehood to Russia. I'm confident that Russia would both allow the safe passage of refugees and try to normalize life as much as possible for Ukrainians who decide to stay within the new state.

My desire for this outcome is to preserve as much innocent life as possible. My understanding is that if war continues as it is now then tens of thousands will surely die as their government fights a futile fight against a superior power.

But let me make clear that I don't justify Russia's actions. The invasion was dubious in the first place and thousands of innocent people have already died. Putin therefore has blood on his hands. I don't know how and if he can ever be held accountable for this, but history will not be kind to him.

Again, my desire is to ultimately preserve as much life as possible. Unfortunately, the only way I see that happening is with Ukraine abdicating its statehood to Russia.
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You ever heard about Soviet-Finnish war? I think USSR at the time had like a 3 times more population than current Russia. Also, even Russian TV says that in Europe Ukrainian army is second in size (first is Russian) if we doesn't count Turkey as Europe.
 
Milgrim said:
Or Britain.
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True, I was just going with countries that actually lost to Germany anyway to keep it apples to apples.

Although...the verdict isn't in officially yet, just like it wasn't with Britain.
 
Gracious Warrior said:
Ok so here's the way that I see it. Russia is just too superior to Ukraine militarily and so the outcome is a forgone conclusion. Russia will capture Ukraine but will be a weaker state financially and politically when it's over.

The fight that Ukraine is putting up is futile. The loss of civilian and military life is unnecessary. What's the point of sacrificing thousands of lives when in the end the fight for independence will fail?

At this point the responsible, humane thing for Ukraine to do is to use as much of its resources as necessary to help current citizens safely flee the country. They should also accommodate the Ukrainians who are willing to live under a newly Russian controlled state. Both of these objectives can materialize if Ukraine cedes its statehood to Russia. I'm confident that Russia would both allow the safe passage of refugees and try to normalize life as much as possible for Ukrainians who decide to stay within the new state.

My desire for this outcome is to preserve as much innocent life as possible. My understanding is that if war continues as it is now then tens of thousands will surely die as their government fights a futile fight against a superior power.

But let me make clear that I don't justify Russia's actions. The invasion was dubious in the first place and thousands of innocent people have already died. Putin therefore has blood on his hands. I don't know how and if he can ever be held accountable for this, but history will not be kind to him.

Again, my desire is to ultimately preserve as much life as possible. Unfortunately, the only way I see that happening is with Ukraine abdicating its statehood to Russia.
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Well, there are no good guys in this. Only the suffering of the plebs. Which you've picked up on. But saying Russia should just claim the whole shindig kinda has you picking a side, which you shouldn't be doing.

Effectively, there's no light at the end of the tunnel for the Ukrainian plebs here. They're not winning anything either way. It should be an independent nation with a functioning government, but the western world, Russia and Ukraine's current corrupt government have different plans.

It will most likely be butchered into partitions, Russia will claim some parts European Union/NATO doesn't really want anyway and the rest will be claimed by the global homo feminist NATO army and the blue piss stained flag of EU. Russia will maintain whatever agricultural and energy production resources it needed from Ukraine and the European Union will have a new poor country and culture to humiliate and territory to funnel migrants through.

It's gonna suck either way. Weather this happens, they fight back and become an EU/NATO country or Russia completely takes over - Ukrainian people are fucked either way.
 
Danger Dave said:
America could end this right now.

A country just got invaded and people are dying and crying for help and we are sitting here with our 780 billion dollar a year military and doing nothing.

War sucks but sometimes, this is the way.
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That could likely drag the whole world into another world war. I agree that we spend a ridiculous amount on defense budget because we have all these sweet deals that politicians made with the weapon manufacturers because they donate a ton to their campaigns
 
yeah, roll over and let guys who just bombed a childrens hospital and maternity clinic.
Whats worse, this or those "americans" and other patriots justifying putin
 
UberKneeOf209 said:
yeah, roll over and let guys who just bombed a childrens hospital and maternity clinic.
Whats worse, this or those "americans" and other patriots justifying putin
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They also pulled babies out of incubators.
 
Every country has a punchers chance, and that’s why you have to fight the fight. MMA fans know this.
 
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