Russia/Ukraine Megathread V5

[ineverpost]

Johnny Layman didn't care about the Ukraine situation with Russia until it made his gas prices go up. Be realistic. This conflict is not good for anyone. The actions by the US are insane. What crucial agreements or business deals do we have with Ukraine? Now all the sudden we're willing to cause a financial meltdown over them or worse. The average Joe should be pissing their pants right now. The US government is made up of draft dodgers and silver spooned assholes that believe nothing bad could possibly happen to their ass, and in the worst case scenario most of them have one foot in the grave already. I expect Russia to unleash massive cyber attacks. Private business in the US is woefully unprepared, they do not do shit to protect themselves because they always have the government to bail them out of trouble when they cause problems that should probably be criminally investigated. What if they start draining bank accounts, crashing electronic payment systems? You will have chaos in the street.

 

[Source]

I think OP is onto something.

Leslie Nielsen and Rich Moranis should make some zany comedies where Putin us the bad guy.

Or get Zac Efron to helicopter into Ukraine and single handedly beat Russia with the help of the plucky locals.

Just like his dad Sylvester Stallone beat the Soviet Union in the 80's.

So we can hear the resident Putin apologists cry about how these movies mocked him forcing Putin to escalate the situation? No thanks

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

Thats easy to say when you make $3,000 a month and never have to worry about the war effecting the lives of you and your elite friends

Lol at thinking that guy has elite friends. He lives in his dad's basement and sells legos.... I'd be surprised to find out he has any friends if I'm being honest.

 

[44nutman]

You're emotional and naive. What you're suggesting could kill millions.

Not to split hairs, but actually billions.

 

[Dalarna3]

No, that would be America starting things. The military budget is mainly to get defense contractors rich, and then to pay politicians via lobbying and campaign donations from said defense contractors.

 

[Deleted member 555403]

it really does blow my mind that people don't realize this could end literally every day by America giving concessions to Putin

Do people actually think it's Ukraine negotiating with russia and not America?

obviously if America were interested in that we wouldn't have ramped the situation up, but it should be known every day this goes on is another day America could have ended this situation simply with a few pen strokes

 

[blaseblah]

Do people think setting up a no fly zone will automatically lead to nuclear destruction? Maybe it’s too big a risk but I doubt Russia wants to get destroyed by being the first one to fire off a nuke.

Setting up a no fly zone means you have to enforce it. Which means NATO shooting Russian planes out of the sky. Which means Russia shooting NATO planes out of the sky.

That leads to NATO being directly at war with Russia. Which increases the likelihood of a nuclear attack signfiicantly.

 

[sherdogwantedtonamemekiki]

Dis dude trolling hard!

 

[Snubnoze707]

Zelenskyy could end this right now. He could had ended it before it began.

 

[mkess101]

it really does blow my mind that people don't realize this could end literally every day by America giving concessions to Putin

Do people actually think it's Ukraine negotiating with russia and not America?

obviously if America were interested in that we wouldn't have ramped the situation up, but it should be known every day this goes on is another day America could have ended this situation simply with a few pen strokes

I think we should just hand Putin a map and some crayons and tell him to color all the parts that should be Russia red. Then we can all decide if we want to learn Russian or move to Antarctica.

 

[bobgeese]

Not to split hairs, but actually billions.

It's slightly unlikely that they would actually be able to successfully launch and hit enough to kill that many, but still, the op is full potato.

 

[Merlotte's]

We could team up with Russia to destroy Ukraine even faster. End the war in a hurry and bring gas prices back down for everyone.

 

[Bargey]

Setting up a no fly zone means you have to enforce it. Which means NATO shooting Russian planes out of the sky. Which means Russia shooting NATO planes out of the sky.

That leads to NATO being directly at war with Russia. Which increases the likelihood of a nuclear attack signfiicantly.

Yes we knew that already. But that’s alot of ifs. Putin needs an out. Enforcing a no fly zone gives him an out.
You honestly think Putin with his 100 billion dollars wants to get vaporized in a nuclear fireball? In a million years?

 

[Deleted member 555403]

I think we should just hand Putin a map and some crayons and tell him to color all the parts that should be Russia red. Then we can all decide if we want to learn Russian or move to Antarctica.

I think we should all pretend like Russia doesn't have the world's largest nuclear arsenal and antagonize their red line by feeding Ukraine weapons and getting our favored politicians in power. Then when Russia finally attacks (just like the West would defend their economic and geopolitical interests through violence) we can make the weapons manufactures happy by having a protracted drawn out conflict in Ukraine and weaken Russia. I'm a very serious person because my stupidity aligns with the global superpower who are in the process of driving us off a climate cliff and creating untold suffering around the world -mkess

 

[blaseblah]

Yes we knew that already. But that’s alot of ifs. Putin needs an out. Enforcing a no fly zone gives him an out.
You honestly think Putin with his 100 billion dollars wants to get vaporized in a nuclear fireball? In a million years?

That's the complete opposite of an out. An out would be negotiating a deal for the sanctions to be lifted.

Also lol at betting on a brutal dictator not escalating while you propose escalating and getting NATO into a direct war.

 

[salamander]

America could end this right now.

A country just got invaded and people are dying and crying for help and we are sitting here with our 780 billion dollar a year military and doing nothing.

War sucks but sometimes, this is the way.

Settle down.

 

[Gracious Warrior]

Ok so here's the way that I see it. Russia is just too superior to Ukraine militarily and so the outcome is a forgone conclusion. Russia will capture Ukraine but will be a weaker state financially and politically when it's over.

The fight that Ukraine is putting up is futile. The loss of civilian and military life is unnecessary. What's the point of sacrificing thousands of lives when in the end the fight for independence will fail?

At this point the responsible, humane thing for Ukraine to do is to use as much of its resources as necessary to help current citizens safely flee the country. They should also accommodate the Ukrainians who are willing to live under a newly Russian controlled state. Both of these objectives can materialize if Ukraine cedes its statehood to Russia. I'm confident that Russia would both allow the safe passage of refugees and try to normalize life as much as possible for Ukrainians who decide to stay within the new state.

My desire for this outcome is to preserve as much innocent life as possible. My understanding is that if war continues as it is now then tens of thousands will surely die as their government fights a futile fight against a superior power.

But let me make clear that I don't justify Russia's actions. The invasion was dubious in the first place and thousands of innocent people have already died. Putin therefore has blood on his hands. I don't know how and if he can ever be held accountable for this, but history will not be kind to him.

Again, my desire is to ultimately preserve as much life as possible. Unfortunately, the only way I see that happening is with Ukraine abdicating its statehood to Russia.

 

[Sonny Qc]

War Room is this way >>>>

 

[Belaya Smert]

Nah, it just makes you a stinking Commie. Everyones gotta have a side.

 

[BisexualMMA]

If it counts for anything, the same argument could have been made about France or Poland in WW2.