Russia/Ukraine Megathread V5

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Da Speeit said:
Hahahaha
Why do you look down on dishwashers bro?

It was a joke btw. That's why I added the little UFC gif. I'm sorry if you didn't take it that way. Can we move on yet or no?
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I don’t have anything against them. I only look down on the ones that think they are better than everyone else and feel the need to tell random people how much smarter they are than them.

I didn’t take it as a joke then, and I don’t take it as a joke now. There was nothing in the tone of the post that made it come across as a joke. Your subsequent cries of being followed and baited tell me it wasn't a joke either. The gif was just a weak attempt to cya. I would have dropped if you had just apologized for it and not try to play it off as a joke.
 
Source said:
I don’t have anything against them. I only look down on the ones that think they are better than everyone else and feel the need to tell random people how much smarter they are than them.

I didn’t take it as a joke then, and I don’t take it as a joke now. There was nothing in the tone of the post that made it come across as a joke. Your subsequent cries of being followed and baited tell me it wasn't a joke either. The gif was just a weak attempt to cya. I would have dropped if you had just apologized for it and not try to play it off as a joke.
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So you took this gif
<{JustBleed}>

as a threat that had no "Tone of a joke"?
Noted.

You've insulted the profession I take deep pride in and feed my family with as a means to swipe at me on a personal level, as if i'm lower than you, multiple times and keep ramping it up this time. Doesn't really come off as you not looking down a certain class of people. Shame.
 
Rational Poster said:
Concession accepted.
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glad we could clear that up
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Da Speeit said:
The "well, what about (insert random thing)" is his tell of when he's dead to rights and the same as when @Source brings up that I should be banned and starts bringing my profession, which is personal info not divulged by me and flames me for it (both bannable offenses).
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It's fun watching people squirm when asked for simple proof. A memorable moment was rp trying to claim all of Ukraine is classed as a residential area to support his claim.
 
Da Speeit said:
So you took this gif
<{JustBleed}>

as a threat that had no "Tone of a joke"?
Noted.

You've insulted the profession I take deep pride in and feed my family with as a means to swipe at me on a personal level, as if i'm lower than you, multiple times and keep ramping it up this time. Doesn't really come off as you not looking down a certain class of people. Shame.
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You take deep pride in washing dishes, those must be some fucking clean dishes.
 
Da Speit is pathetic lol, how much you get paid to shill for Russia? Or are you whipped by your GF every time you don’t stick up for Russia?
 
Da Speeit said:
It was a violent uprising against the government that forced the president to flee, but not a coup.
Make sense, in a nonsensical sort of way.
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It was the people uprising not the military or government faction right?
 
Da Speeit said:
So what if they don't want the capital?
Why would they? What reasoning for taking the capital would Putin have?
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It's an interesting question, but it kinda begs another one. And I'm only saying this because I happened to hear some former general on Fox News giving his take late last week (and quite honestly, I don't remember who he is, etc---I just know he's more qualified than I am to talk about military strategy) and he was kind of talking about it and posing the opposite question that you did. Basically he said "If Russia just wanted the eastern regions and a land bridge...having a column approach the most heavily fortified area in the country (Kyiv and the surrounding towns) was exceedingly stupid. There's no point putting all those assets at risk if you aren't trying to take that city. He (Putin) could have used those assets to completely shut the eastern part of the country off from the rest of it and marched around to the south to easily create his land bridge. The Ukrainians wouldn't have been able to stop it, and likely wouldn't have even tried. They didn't have the assets. Instead the Russians have stretched their logistical capabilities to the breaking point by running a massive column of equipment and personnel directly at the capital, and then spread out to surround it in what's seemingly a bit of siege warfare. Unless you're trying to topple the capital...why?"

I guess the answer to "Why does he want the capital?" COULD be that he believes he needs to topple their entire governmental structure in order to set up a puppet state. Maybe Putin believes (again, who knows...but maybe) that Zalenskiy leaving isn't even enough. He needs to rip it to the studs in order to get his people in there.

The other question is harder to answer imo: Why would he use so many assets for something he doesn't even want?
 
Terry Noonan said:
Da Speit is pathetic lol, how much you get paid to shill for Russia? Or are you whipped by your GF every time you don’t stick up for Russia?
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If that were the situation i would never stick up for Russia if you catch my drift.
 
mkess101 said:
It's an interesting question, but it kinda begs another one. And I'm only saying this because I happened to hear some former general on Fox News giving his take late last week (and quite honestly, I don't remember who he is, etc---I just know he's more qualified than I am to talk about military strategy) and he was kind of talking about it and posing the opposite question that you did. Basically he said "If Russia just wanted the eastern regions and a land bridge...having a column approach the most heavily fortified area in the country (Kyiv and the surrounding towns) was exceedingly stupid. There's no point putting all those assets at risk if you aren't trying to take that city. He (Putin) could have used those assets to completely shut the eastern part of the country off from the rest of it and marched around to the south to easily create his land bridge. The Ukrainians wouldn't have been able to stop it, and likely wouldn't have even tried. They didn't have the assets. Instead the Russians have stretched their logistical capabilities to the breaking point by running a massive column of equipment and personnel directly at the capital, and then spread out to surround it in what's seemingly a bit of siege warfare. Unless you're trying to topple the capital...why?"

I guess the answer to "Why does he want the capital?" COULD be that he believes he needs to topple their entire governmental structure in order to set up a puppet state. Maybe Putin believes (again, who knows...but maybe) that Zalenskiy leaving isn't even enough. He needs to rip it to the studs in order to get his people in there.

The other question is harder to answer imo: Why would he use so many assets for something he doesn't even want?
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I completely disagree. They've literally almost got their stated objectives.
 
mkess101 said:
It's an interesting question, but it kinda begs another one. And I'm only saying this because I happened to hear some former general on Fox News giving his take late last week (and quite honestly, I don't remember who he is, etc---I just know he's more qualified than I am to talk about military strategy) and he was kind of talking about it and posing the opposite question that you did. Basically he said "If Russia just wanted the eastern regions and a land bridge...having a column approach the most heavily fortified area in the country (Kyiv and the surrounding towns) was exceedingly stupid. There's no point putting all those assets at risk if you aren't trying to take that city. He (Putin) could have used those assets to completely shut the eastern part of the country off from the rest of it and marched around to the south to easily create his land bridge. The Ukrainians wouldn't have been able to stop it, and likely wouldn't have even tried. They didn't have the assets. Instead the Russians have stretched their logistical capabilities to the breaking point by running a massive column of equipment and personnel directly at the capital, and then spread out to surround it in what's seemingly a bit of siege warfare. Unless you're trying to topple the capital...why?"

I guess the answer to "Why does he want the capital?" COULD be that he believes he needs to topple their entire governmental structure in order to set up a puppet state. Maybe Putin believes (again, who knows...but maybe) that Zalenskiy leaving isn't even enough. He needs to rip it to the studs in order to get his people in there.

The other question is harder to answer imo: Why would he use so many assets for something he doesn't even want?
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How many assets has he used to take Kiev? Next to none. The plan seems to be (idk if you saw that Newseek article I posted a few pages back), to encircle Kiev and slowly squeeze to push forward negotiations.
They're not remotely at the breaking point btw.

This is what's driving me crazy (not you), but whenever you ask why he wants Kiev, people respond with the same narrative that is proven to be more and more false by the day. He doesn't want to topple Ukraine's government, he hasn't asked for anything of the Western region and he hasn't indicated he wants Zelensky to relieve his duty. Installing a pro-Russia regime would be a nightmare. It would be 2014 x 100. That makes zero sense. He clearly wants to encircle Kiev, clamp down, and force a written concession of Crimea and some of the east, as well as making Zelensky go back on his campaign manifesto, which would make Zelensky look horrible to his voting base (in Putin's eyes)
 
mkess101 said:
It's an interesting question, but it kinda begs another one. And I'm only saying this because I happened to hear some former general on Fox News giving his take late last week (and quite honestly, I don't remember who he is, etc---I just know he's more qualified than I am to talk about military strategy) and he was kind of talking about it and posing the opposite question that you did. Basically he said "If Russia just wanted the eastern regions and a land bridge...having a column approach the most heavily fortified area in the country (Kyiv and the surrounding towns) was exceedingly stupid. There's no point putting all those assets at risk if you aren't trying to take that city. He (Putin) could have used those assets to completely shut the eastern part of the country off from the rest of it and marched around to the south to easily create his land bridge. The Ukrainians wouldn't have been able to stop it, and likely wouldn't have even tried. They didn't have the assets. Instead the Russians have stretched their logistical capabilities to the breaking point by running a massive column of equipment and personnel directly at the capital, and then spread out to surround it in what's seemingly a bit of siege warfare. Unless you're trying to topple the capital...why?"

I guess the answer to "Why does he want the capital?" COULD be that he believes he needs to topple their entire governmental structure in order to set up a puppet state. Maybe Putin believes (again, who knows...but maybe) that Zalenskiy leaving isn't even enough. He needs to rip it to the studs in order to get his people in there.

The other question is harder to answer imo: Why would he use so many assets for something he doesn't even want?
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My guess, assuming they dont want it, would be to split Ukrainian forces by forcing them to defend of the capital as well as the east
 
Terry Noonan said:
Da Speit is pathetic lol, how much you get paid to shill for Russia? Or are you whipped by your GF every time you don’t stick up for Russia?
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The guy is obviously very well informed and smart, plus he's keeping it polite all the way while 10 people here are posting nothing but shit to him. This whole thing will be over, sooner or later, and anyone can come back to this thread to check if he was right about things. I'd say he's on spot on almost everything I've read from him so far.
 
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