International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

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San Marino said:
Of course not, but have things ever been right?
Don't accuse Russia of doing things that many other countries have also done.
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Yes, most countries don't go around taking these types of actions, it's only those led by war criminals that act this way.
 
ChessJitsu said:
it's unpredictable I think.

The fuel crisis looks terrifying if you're a Russian patriot and I don't think anyone on this board can make a reliable economic assessment on the whole situation.

It's clearly causing anxiety for Russia but the Kremlin seems to think it's course towards victory is still the same.
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Everything is easily predictable.
West never will allow ukr to win anything and will appease putin. They does protect Putin.

Therefore always nice talks for mass media, loud mass media entertainers talks about gamechangers and always too little too late supplies ...
More than this : when Russia is a bit more struggling, west always had reduced or / and delayed supplies.

Also these supplies aren't wunderwaffes for a reason

Laughable scene like plan demic.

Plus before this west appeased Russia so much that even didn't had sold anything serious for ukr. Ofc ukr rulers are delusional dreamers and always will be....
 
However ukr might blame their gubbermint at first.

OK, supplied something, exactly for Putin propaganda to tell plebs that he is fighting vs evil west etc. Why not. public will be happy, bloggers and trolls farms too ofc.

Ukr had hyped up that soon will have serial production of weapon a, weapon b, weapon C and where they are?
It is good for putin too : they might tell that had destroyed mysterious super puper factories etc.

while 2018-2021 th too appears didn't had produced. So ...dreamland.

Last clownade with Flamingo.

Some demonstrated supposed damage done by dreamlingo ... LoL, even 450 kg warhead does more damage but they claimed that dremlimgo does have 1150 kg warhead.
 
I thought Ukraine's recent attacks against Russia's oil refining capabilities a good idea for helping to bring an end to the conflict. From what I read 30% of Russia refining abilities have been destroyed recently by Ukrainian drones. More attacks against Russia's fossil fuel industry, a big money maker for them, would likely hurt their ability to finance the war against Ukraine.

I'm not a fan of giving troubled Ukraine nuclear weapons. I'd prefer to see Ukraine win the conflict but am not in love with their government.
 
Those nukes would be sold to some non-state actors within weeks. Just like a lot of our equipment.
 
nostradumbass said:
You do know Russia is where their nukes went, right? I don't think "give them back so we can use them on you" is a very strong sales pitch.
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Obviously they wouldn't be the same nukes. We could make them whole with about 20 nuke tomahawks. Easy. Again, what are they going to do about it?
 
Putin will continue because he sees that west is actually reducing supplies ...during last months in row btw...
It is reality...while so much talks
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Also funding for special operation for ALL 2025 th is booked.
Money awailable, soldiers enough...

& as had been told some months ago, they are sending back to front released POVs too and..catched deserteurs in 80% cases are sent back without paperwork about desertion case.
Cos they will use them for special operation...
For commanders too it is good: meat delivered back, might be used, no problems with courts and angry quitn officials etc.

__so why not to continue? Especially because areas with high potential for mining industry ?

Russia will get them, later after some years will start to get profits...
Also ukr will be more poor and it is good for Russia.
 
So, it looks like Ukraine is not getting US made Tomahawk missiles.

Putin intervenes:
Trump earlier signaled he might be willing to give Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine, but after speaking to Vladimir Putin yesterday said: "We need them too... so I don't know what we can do about that."

The US does have a shit ton of Tomahawks: The estimated stockpile is approximately 4,150 Tomahawk missiles, according to a former Pentagon official.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
By that logic we might as well give Russia everything they want because some people are cowards.

We shouldn't deter ourselves just because Russia are maniacs threatening to destroy the world if they can't get their way, like petulant little children.
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I dont think you understood my post
 
Beechwood said:
I thought Ukraine's recent attacks against Russia's oil refining capabilities a good idea for helping to bring an end to the conflict. From what I read 30% of Russia refining abilities have been destroyed recently by Ukrainian drones. More attacks against Russia's fossil fuel industry, a big money maker for them, would likely hurt their ability to finance the war against Ukraine.

I'm not a fan of giving troubled Ukraine nuclear weapons. I'd prefer to see Ukraine win the conflict but am not in love with their government.
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Ukr gubbermint was and is stupid...

Initially they de militarized slowly, really seriously with vigor.
Then started all this PR about militarization while actually continued deMilitarzation...

West too actually doesn't wants them to win anything. They want Munich 1938 th repetition scenario and obviously later will threw them under bus. It is so easy to see......


I only wonder why with all this reality Russia yet didn't didn't had took all Ukraine long ago.

Maybe cos total incompetence or China ordered them to do very long war in Ukraine....
 
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