International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[F1980]

I don't think the war will end anymore

Remember these terrorists who went to that theater in Russia and started killing innocent civilians and chopping their heads off?

That was the moment I knew peace was no longer on the table

They made one of them eat his own ear only 5 seconds into his captue

They must be suffering unimaginable horror inside the Russian prison they're held at

 

[Alpha_T83]

We could take it even further and guarantee there will never be another war on this planet ever again, or at least for a long, long time, if we got the grapefruits...

By that logic we might as well give Russia everything they want because some people are cowards.

We shouldn't deter ourselves just because Russia are maniacs threatening to destroy the world if they can't get their way, like petulant little children.

 

[nostradumbass]

You do know Russia is where their nukes went, right? I don't think "give them back so we can use them on you" is a very strong sales pitch.

 

[San Marino]

Also Towahawk isn't basically submarine launched missile. It might be used from submarine , however only special it's versions.
Basic launch platforms were intended fregates etc ships.

Literally it is containers from where to launch.
To adapt this for ground launchers is very easy.

Yes! I know that.
I'm guessing the U.S. Navy has a surplus of these missiles, unlike the U.S. Army.
$4,000,000 per missile. So, I don't know how many Ukraine is getting and which European country is paying for it.
It can fly a distance of up to 1,500 miles at a slow 570 mph. Something the Russians can easily shoot down.
The British Storm Shadow missile flies at 730 mph.
So, is Ukraine planning to hit Moscow and St. Petersburg with the Tomahawk? Kill some civilians?
Destroying drone factories in Russia? Russia is still getting drones from Iran, North Korea and China.

 

[San Marino]

So you admit it's wrong?

He wont admit much.

...if only you two would keep up with this thread and read my response. Post #20.979

So does that make it right?

Of course not, but have things ever been right?

Hey @Ruthless Ryan, when will the Russian economy collapse?

 

[Strychnine]

 

[San Marino]

The quality and amount of weapons that the West supplied to Ukraine is insane.

Yes!
That is why Russian has been moving at a slow pace. They are fighting the Ukrainian Army and western weaponry.
Europe will not continue paying for this war for another 3 years. Then what?
Europe and the US are getting tired of funding this conflict. Russia can carry this war for another 3 years. More if necessary. Iran, North Korea, and China are supporting Russia in this campaign.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

...if only you two would keep up with this thread and read my response. Post #20.979


Hey @Ruthless Ryan, when will the Russian economy collapse?

I think general winter will be the last straw for Russia, you cant heat the country with hot air from propaganda. The economy is failing in every way and is getting worse.....this isnt UKR propaganda but from Russian officials and the companies that are struggling so you cant lie about what is happening.
Putin is in quicksand and that's why he called Trump to pull some more BS off. Tomahawks won't win the war alone but just another dagger to stab Russia with.
you cant pretend the gas crisis is a nothing burger because it will be getting worse just as winter arrives.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Yes! I know that.
I'm guessing the U.S. Navy has a surplus of these missiles, unlike the U.S. Army.
$4,000,000 per missile. So, I don't know how many Ukraine is getting and which European country is paying for it.
It can fly a distance of up to 1,500 miles at a slow 570 mph. Something the Russians can easily shoot down.
The British Storm Shadow missile flies at 730 mph.
So, is Ukraine planning to hit Moscow and St. Petersburg with the Tomahawk? Kill some civilians?
Destroying drone factories in Russia? Russia is still getting drones from Iran, North Korea and China.

Russia can easily shoot these down? Well why havn't they shot down slow moving drones that have been hitting the oil refineries non stop? And then again Russia has shot down 100% of the drones but just the debris keeps causing all the damage right? So same will prob happen with Tomahawks.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

The planned meeting in Hungary between Trump and Putin is not some random thing either. Putin is looking for a way out. Sure it could be 100th attempt to delay assistance to Ukraine in the form of Tomahawk missiles but let's be honest it likely won't be some wunderwaffe either. The single most effective thing that Ukraine is doing is taking out Russian energy infrastructure and slowly attacking civilian grids. Russia has lost nearly half of its oil refinery capacity(I think I saw 40% last time).

In any case this seems like a proper location to discuss some sort of memorandum that was signed...

How can Putler get out of this? he is proper fucked and is insane and in denial. He is prob watching the same videos that Spinov shows of all these great victories and advances that are not really happening. Does he still think he will get all his 4 oblasts that had honest elections and wanted to live under occupation?

 

[SandisLL]

The quality and amount of weapons that the West supplied to Ukraine is insane.

You are joking?

Ukr always get just a bit not to fall apart.

Interestingly, might you mention wunderwaffes west had supplied Ukraine?

Maybe scheduled for retirement old F 16 ies from European countries?
Don't you know that they aren't even close to block 50/52 not alone later versions?

Insane support with airframes manufactured 1980- 1993 th?

They also didn't had supplied them latest air to air missiles models, not even close....

Plus it is up to U.S to decide what crap from AIM 120 and AIM 9 even might be allowed to be sold or re exported to ukr....

It is " beautiful " insane " quality ", " ultra modern " etc ofc....

They are approx Mig 29 from 1990 ies level stuff plus also ofc old airframes.

 

[SandisLL]

Russia can easily shoot these down? Well why havn't they shot down slow moving drones that have been hitting the oil refineries non stop? And then again Russia has shot down 100% of the drones but just the debris keeps causing all the damage right? So same will prob happen with Tomahawks.

If they can't deal with cheap crap assembled in garages from mainstream components with cheap chinesse civilian engines, flying with 90 - 100 - 110 mph ?

Tomahawk missile is cheaper than 4 m $...
U.S most likely is ranking up prices for better profit.
Also IF ukr will even get some, these definitely will be not latest versions at all. In no case...

GPS spoofing and jamming is absolutely helpless vs Tomahawk, btw especially oldest versions are absolutely immune for this...

# yes, Tomahawk is relatively easy peasy to shot down.... like Kalibr too.

However biggest shit is to spot where they are!

If they can't properly locate crappy ukr drones with cheap mainstream engines.... mainly assembled from random easy peasy awailable for civies stuff..... in garages, yeah.
Ofc guidance modules and warhead aren't mainstream civies stuff ...

This crap is flying xxx miles in Russia......

 

[SandisLL]

West is stupid. They easy might produce damn a lot of shahed and gerberu clones and quickly, cheap.

If such drones are damn a lot, it might be very good deterrent.

 

[SandisLL]

The biggest difference between Israel and Russia situation is that Russia is very large, Israel is smaller than Kiev oblastj...plus Israel had 45 years in row invested damn a lot in air defense, different assets, from machine guns and autocannons till shitload of different radars and sensors, missiles etc. Unlike ykr dreamland....

So they ofc might had detected shahed and gerberu and shot them down.
Therefore biggest threat for them were rocket and missiles, ofc also drones attempting to hit ships....

Russia is so large size country that it is impossible to cover all ......
Also west might produce more shaheds and gerberu than Iran or Russia.

Lack of political will ofc is main problem. Even to find xxxxxx excuses in order to do nothing for this....

 

[San Marino]

Russia can easily shoot these down? Well why havn't they shot down slow moving drones that have been hitting the oil refineries non stop?

Size of the drone and the number of drones launched at a particular target.

Russia is getting ready to hit Kiev with a mixture of 2,500 drones and missiles next month. One single strike. Let us see how many Ukraine shoots down.

 

[SandisLL]

Most likely soon will be cheap missiles specially to deal with slow and enough large drones....


For me a bit funny was bloggers and tubers etc trolls shifting on Iron Dome.
Ofc it isn't wunderwaffe and even had designed for specific task...

They often used strikes with relatively low number of cheap custom made rocket or 122 mm Grad MRLS missiles.
Low number of launched in one episode was because terrorists needs quickly to relocate... so launch 1-2-4-6 rocket and relocate....... in order not to get under counter battery fire type stuff.

So against such threats it was designed...mainly.

Again, if saturation attack even with these Grad rockets is with more rocket launched than SAM battery does have missiles loaded in launcher?

1 Iron Dome launcher usually does have 20 missiles loaded and ready to fire.

1 Grad " truck " usually does have 40 rockets.

So even if interception rate will be 100%, will be 20 rockets not intercepted by 1 launcher .. so....you need more launchers etc.

If fast short timeframe saturation attack is with more rockets than SAM battery does have loaded in launchers ready to fire, then... even 100% success rate will not be enough to protect ....

Grad most common launcher is with 40 tubes and might fire all these in 20-40 seconds. One launcher.

HAMAS ofc mainly used their self made crude and cheap short range rockets ,however had prepared damn a lot of these .......

 

[SandisLL]

I don't think the war will end anymore

Remember these terrorists who went to that theater in Russia and started killing innocent civilians and chopping their heads off?

That was the moment I knew peace was no longer on the table

They made one of them eat his own ear only 5 seconds into his captue

They must be suffering unimaginable horror inside the Russian prison they're held at

Ohh, you love russian propaganda. Yes, Russia will get such stuff a lot....endlessly.


These are isis supporters and not even ukr.

Ofc in KGB they will sign even that they are Putin himself or Hitler or Napoleons....if will be asked properly.

 

[ChessJitsu]

Things are a bit different now with their oil industry getting hit hard would you not agree? The West are on the way of a 19th sanction package and they have lost most of their loyal oil customers amongst other things...This is not the same as the Chechnya era....nice spin tho
However the pattern you mentioned is accurate but at some point even Russia cant take endless losses with people and their economy.

it's unpredictable I think.

The fuel crisis looks terrifying if you're a Russian patriot and I don't think anyone on this board can make a reliable economic assessment on the whole situation.

It's clearly causing anxiety for Russia but the Kremlin seems to think it's course towards victory is still the same.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Retarded.

 

[DEVILsSON]