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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

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ISW, 1 June 2025.

Ukrainian Ground Forces Commander Mykhailo Drapatyi submitted his resignation following a Russian missile strike on a Ukrainian training unit on June 1.
Ukraine's Ground Forces reported that a Russian missile strike on a training unit in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast on June 1 killed 12 and wounded over 60 servicemembers. Drapatyi stated on June 1 that he submitted a request to resign from his position due to a personal sense of responsibility for the death of Ukrainian servicemembers. Drapatyi stated that his decision to resign came as the result of being unable to ensure the proper execution of his orders and that Ukraine‘s military is disadvantaged by a command culture that is unwilling to accept personal responsibility for and learn from battlefield failures. Drapatyi stated that he must take responsibility and resign, as his efforts to root out this attitude among Ukraine’s Ground Forces failed.

Russian forces continue to adapt their strike packages in an effort to overwhelm Ukrainian air defenses.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated on June 1 that Russia is increasing the number of drones per strike each week. The Economist recently reported that Russia is able to produce approximately 100 Shaheds per day, and Russia's increasingly large drone strike packages are a direct result of this increased production.
 
San Marino said:
ISW, 1 June 2025.

Ukrainian Ground Forces Commander Mykhailo Drapatyi submitted his resignation following a Russian missile strike on a Ukrainian training unit on June 1.
Ukraine's Ground Forces reported that a Russian missile strike on a training unit in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast on June 1 killed 12 and wounded over 60 servicemembers. Drapatyi stated on June 1 that he submitted a request to resign from his position due to a personal sense of responsibility for the death of Ukrainian servicemembers. Drapatyi stated that his decision to resign came as the result of being unable to ensure the proper execution of his orders and that Ukraine‘s military is disadvantaged by a command culture that is unwilling to accept personal responsibility for and learn from battlefield failures. Drapatyi stated that he must take responsibility and resign, as his efforts to root out this attitude among Ukraine’s Ground Forces failed.

Russian forces continue to adapt their strike packages in an effort to overwhelm Ukrainian air defenses.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated on June 1 that Russia is increasing the number of drones per strike each week. The Economist recently reported that Russia is able to produce approximately 100 Shaheds per day, and Russia's increasingly large drone strike packages are a direct result of this increased production.
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Mykhailo Drapatyi resigned from his position as commander of the Ukrainian Ground Forces on June 1, 2025, following a Russian missile strike on a training ground that killed 12 soldiers and wounded over 60. He stated he felt a "personal sense of responsibility" for the tragedy. Drapatyi cited his inability to ensure the proper execution of his orders and a command culture unwilling to accept responsibility for battlefield failures as reasons for his resignation.

He resigned because he felt personal responsibility for 12 soldiers dying.
 
San Marino said:
Did the Ukrainians get out of Russia after the drone attack? What psychological effect? Ukraine has hit Russia with drones multiple times. Moscow included. Never any real damage. Why not hit Moscow with a Neptune missile? Simple and more effective. Some real destruction and killing. This strike on Russian air bases to destroy old bombers does not really accomplish anything to push Russia out of Ukraine. Nothing has changed on the front lines where it counts. A waste of time, money, and resources really.

None of this matters. The deciding factor is being fought on the battlefields of eastern Ukraine. Can Ukraine continue to hold the line? Russia still has 20% of the country. They are adding two Divisions on the ground a week. The Ukrainian Army is shrinking. Russia is waiting for the right moment when the Ukrainian Army becomes combat ineffective. Russia is trading ground for Ukrainian casualties. Once Ukraine has lost enough soldiers they will switch to a ground offensive.

What is Special Operation going to do inside Ukraine? Get Zelensky assassinated? Russia has already affected the Ukrainian infrastructure and economy. The country is a shell of its former self. Russia has disrupted the electrical grid and rail lines. In this day and age most things are accomplished by conventional missiles. I'm surprised Russia has played a slow hand in dropping more conventional warheads into Kiev and other cities. Russia has still not officially declared war on Ukraine. If and when it decides to do that, the resources will be limitless. Let us now wait and see what the Russian reaction is going to be. What is the psychological effect on Ukraine? How much longer do you think Ukraine can keep this conflict going?
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I agree with your points for the most part and I too am curious to see how Russia responds. With that said I would still like to see Russia demonstrate that they can prevent and defend from such attacks and display some kind of sophisticated sabotage/ assassination operations in Ukraine as well. It's being done to them? why not do it back? KGB and FSB should be able to do these kind of things.
 
San Marino said:
Didn't you just lose a bet to San Marino about an issue you were wrong? Nobody really cares what you think.
Your credibility has gone out the window mate. You should have changed your avatar. It was a simple thing to do.
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how much mileage are you going to get out of that? posters have more respect with the gum on the bottom of their shoes then they do for you, you have been wrong more them anybody on here by a mile....you have no high ground to stand on after yo have said UKR was out of soldiers 3 years ago.
 
Ruthless Ryan said:
how much mileage are you going to get out of that? posters have more respect with the gum on the bottom of their shoes then they do for you.
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Stop being a sore loser and a whiner Ryan. You just can't admit when you are wrong, and you have been wrong numerous times.
 
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Russia Is ‘Grinding Down’ Ukraine To Victory Right Before Our Eyes​

MSN

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. Russia is reportedly achieving its core objectives in Ukraine—securing annexed eastern oblasts, maintaining a land bridge to Crimea, and ensuring Ukraine's non-NATO, neutralized status—through a disciplined war of attrition, not by holding back out of fear of Western escalation.
. Despite Ukrainian counter-efforts, like a recent bomber strike deep into Russia, Moscow advances by fighting "smarter, not harder," leveraging superior artillery production, a resilient wartime economy, and Ukraine's mounting manpower crisis.
. This approach, focused on limited, achievable goals rather than total conquest, suggests Russia is on track to win on its terms, a reality the West has yet to fully acknowledge.
. Russia is not holding back in Ukraine because it’s afraid. It’s holding back because it doesn’t have to do more to win. That’s the part no one in Washington or Brussels wants to admit.
. Even yesterday’s dramatic Ukrainian bomber strike deep inside Russian territory – a bold, almost theatrical move designed to reassure Western sponsors – does not change the reality on the battlefield. Russia is advancing. Ukraine is eroding. And the war is being waged on Moscow’s terms.
. That doesn’t mean Russia wants to conquer all of Ukraine. It doesn’t. These are not the aims of a state pursuing some neo-imperial fantasy. They are limited, achievable objectives grounded in traditional strategic logic. Western commentators still insist that Russia’s goal is the total absorption of Ukraine.
. That’s why so much of the Russian military remains uncommitted. The air force has not been unleashed in full. Long-range missile strikes are calculated and limited. Elite ground units are rotated and preserved. Mobilization has been partial and politically controlled.
 
Whippy McGee said:
So apparently the Ukrainians snuck a bunch of trucks into Russia and throughout Russia with these drones hidden in them. They drove these trucks to various bases throughout Russia and had them all launch their drones at the same time. Apparently, the drone operators were also smuggled into Russia and controlled from nearby. I heard many of them got caught and killed, but the damage they laid down was impressive.

Anyone crying about escalation does not live in a country currently under attack by Russia.
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This looks even worse for russia than such scenario.

Looks that Ukr had managed to establish cells networks with informants, saboteurs and diversants in russia.

Due to grey economy % in russia and kleptocracy level ....they obiviously managed to rent rooms, to purchase or rent trucks in ....Russia.
Also most likely to assemble ....drones ....In Russia.... not only to launch from Russia.

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Last most effective attack on crimean bidge was with ...truck from Russia. Looks that then they had managed to get truck and ...explosives ...in Russia.
Most likely had used smugglers tactiques etc....

Tax evasion and other kind of grey economy is ....part of culture in Ukr and ....Russia.
 
This was run on Prigozhin birthday with the drone strikes. That is wild.

 
San Marino said:

Russia Is ‘Grinding Down’ Ukraine To Victory Right Before Our Eyes​

MSN

www.msn.com
. Russia is reportedly achieving its core objectives in Ukraine—securing annexed eastern oblasts, maintaining a land bridge to Crimea, and ensuring Ukraine's non-NATO, neutralized status—through a disciplined war of attrition, not by holding back out of fear of Western escalation.
. Despite Ukrainian counter-efforts, like a recent bomber strike deep into Russia, Moscow advances by fighting "smarter, not harder," leveraging superior artillery production, a resilient wartime economy, and Ukraine's mounting manpower crisis.
. This approach, focused on limited, achievable goals rather than total conquest, suggests Russia is on track to win on its terms, a reality the West has yet to fully acknowledge.
. Russia is not holding back in Ukraine because it’s afraid. It’s holding back because it doesn’t have to do more to win. That’s the part no one in Washington or Brussels wants to admit.
. Even yesterday’s dramatic Ukrainian bomber strike deep inside Russian territory – a bold, almost theatrical move designed to reassure Western sponsors – does not change the reality on the battlefield. Russia is advancing. Ukraine is eroding. And the war is being waged on Moscow’s terms.
. That doesn’t mean Russia wants to conquer all of Ukraine. It doesn’t. These are not the aims of a state pursuing some neo-imperial fantasy. They are limited, achievable objectives grounded in traditional strategic logic. Western commentators still insist that Russia’s goal is the total absorption of Ukraine.
. That’s why so much of the Russian military remains uncommitted. The air force has not been unleashed in full. Long-range missile strikes are calculated and limited. Elite ground units are rotated and preserved. Mobilization has been partial and politically controlled.
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Apparently Putin and Lavrov are western commentators now, since they've said repeatedly Russia wants to conquer the whole of Ukraine. The REAL objectives aren't anything stated when Putin declared war. The REAL objectives are a bunch of destroyed villages in the east with zero economic or tactical value.
 
San Marino said:
Russia has still not officially declared war on Ukraine. If and when it decides to do that, the resources will be limitless.
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Imagine a country having hundreds of thousands casualties and still believing they aren’t really at war.

Also legit lol at saying Ukraines drone attack caused no “real damage” - billions of dollars apparently is nothing to comrade over here

Thanks for the early morning comedy bro! LMAO
 
San Marino said:
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Everyone got it but you. Both the video and the article address the issue as Russia's Pearl Harbor.
Try a little harder mate. You still have it wrong. Insults don't help.
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I mean the video says exactly what I says it does. You clearly only read the title. I don’t really give a shit about your article you shared. It’s not in anyway similar to Pearl Harbor except for that it was a surprise attack. That’s a pretty low bar for comparison. I guess with that article you want me to read you’re trying to convince me your point is fine because you’re parroting a mainstream media narrative, which is what you’ve spent the last three years arguing everyone else does.

BTW Pearl Harbor was a resounding success for Japan as an operation. It was a failure because Japan brought an enemy into the war that they couldn’t beat. So your point you were trying to make really falls flat because it’s Russia invaded them 3 years ago. They didn’t exactly start a conflict with a powerful new enemy now did they?

But I’m sure no one has ever accused you of being a history buff.
 
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