International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[SandisLL]

BTW americans sometimes are dreaming that russians in russia will not hate them....cos then now is Trump etc bla bla bla.

While they often used ikname in chats bidon for Biden, for trump it is trup.
[trup] as pronounced is....corpse of died animal or human.

You just drop from surname one letter and ... pronounce [ trup )].


The level to hate is developed 100 years in row...

" their economy sooner or later will collapse, they are imperalists and dumb capitalists, our enemies lurking to attack Matushka etc...".
State funded mass media and proper books used in schools and libraries with a glance had formed mindset during generations...
Especially if to bear in mind that mass media in all levels, from small local newspaper till school books and entertainment literature ...had mandatory cenzorship control....1925-1991 even was till cenzors had checked technical and STEM literature...maybe there something suspicious....

 

[San Marino]

And at the current rate, it will take Russia over a century to take all of Ukraine.

Again, Putin does not want all of Ukraine. For what he wants, another 1 to 2 years will do.

Putin screwed Russia by attacking Ukraine.

How was Russia screwed?
As mentioned before, Ukraine brought this conflict on itself (with some help from the west). Ukraine screwed itself.

 

[San Marino]

For a former military guy, you have a very poor idea of how wars of attrition work. The same thing was said back in early 1918; it would take 20-30 years to defeat the Germans at the current pace it was going. 10 months later the Germans were finished.

Wars of attrition move very slowly until one side takes critical losses, at which point the collapse happens fairly quickly. Ukraine is probably closer to that point than most people think, their air defence systems have been attrited to the point where the Russians don't even bother using missiles to hit ammo dumps, command centers, and other such targets, Geran drones are hitting them just fine whereas in the past almost all the drones would get shot down. They're also running low on artillery since most Russian casualties are now from FPV drones instead of shells. Rockets & missiles are almost out too, there hasn't been a Himars, Atacms, or Storm Shadow hit in quite some time, in the past there were hits almost every day.

No one knows when the Ukrainian army will finally break, might be this year, or it might take another 2-3 years. It sure as fuck ain't gonna last another 8-10 years.

Priceless!

 

[SandisLL]

I still dont get why people use private youtube channels as sources whos main objective is to get as much views as possible to get money and this is usually done by pandering to pro ukr/rus crowd to get views

Conserning this conflict best youtube channels are generally channels of military institutions imo (that austrian officer school channel is a good example)

This war spawned so many "experts" on youtube back in 22

You forget that earlier nice coronaviruse experts era.
Before this ( but this stuff never had ended... ) till today one from ways to earn with FOREX deals etc...is to teach others ...how to trade..it is actual thing 20 years in row..even before yt era.
Also to sell prognosis...they does have endless mountains with excuses why clients had failed to earn money with wunderful signals and prognosis........

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Military institutions channels aren't easy source at all.
They might post maps with delays ( delays for a reason ) and some conclusions and so on...

However if person does have classified info, they usually are under NDA....
Then there also a lot of advisors and even civilian field ppl mainly are under NDA type stuff signed.

It is very easy to put clauses in contracts and...even to require sign additional paperwork about this again and again...

Such stuff is also in civilian fields not related to military...

Therefore we can't except that they will disclose for public everything etc.

Even the same financial prognosis for companies in a lot of cases are under NDA type stuff.

 

[San Marino]

The entirety of the EU is supporting Ukraine because they know that they're next on the menu.

How is the EU next on the menu? Do you actually think Russia wants to take over Europe? Please!
EU support is only financial and through weaponry. No European military forces (soldiers) will go to Ukraine. Same for the US.

 

[San Marino]

And if the US wants to get involved, they'll get shit-kicked even worse than the Ukrainians, that's not my opinion, that's coming from the US Army War College.

The Russia-Ukraine War is exposing significant vulnerabilities in the Army’s strategic personnel depth and ability to withstand and replace casualties. Army theater medical planners may anticipate a sustained rate of roughly 3,600 casualties per day, ranging from those killed in action to those wounded in action or suffering disease or other non-battle injuries. With a 25 percent predicted replacement rate, the personnel system will require 800 new personnel each day. For context, the United States sustained about 50,000 casualties in two decades of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. In large-scale combat operations, the United States could experience that same number of casualties in two weeks.

Interesting.

The U.S. Army is currently going through a difficult time. It is having a hard time recruiting people and keeping people in the ranks. Most with combat experience have now left the ranks. DEI has done a wonderful job of weakening one of the best Armies in the world. Thanks Uncle Joe! Standards have been lowered to accommodate women in combat MOSs. Add to that that we now have women in the Infantry both in the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps. The results have been catastrophic in effectiveness and morale. This under an all-volunteer Army. According to your numbers, a US ground war in Ukraine would by all accounts bring the draft back.

If the numbers you are showing for the US are even close to the numbers for Ukraine, things are bad for Ukraine. They are bad for Russia also, but Russia can sustain (as shown) a higher number of casualties better than Ukraine. Of course, Ukraine casualty numbers are a well-guarded secret.

I don't know how much faith to put into those Army War College numbers. Seems a bit high to me. They should be taking into account US air support, drone warfare, and electronic/cyber warfare.

* 58,220 is the total number of dead Americans during the Vietnam war. Dead, not casualties.

 

[SandisLL]

How is the EU next on the menu? Do you actually think Russia wants to take over Europe? Please!
EU support is only financial and through weaponry. No European military forces (soldiers) will go to Ukraine. Same for the US.

Russia does have Fico and Orban. Both these countries are EU and NATO members....

They are cancer for EU living in dreams that they sooner or later will have ground border with Russia....at least for pragmatic reasons in order to pay lesser transit fees for russian stuff.

We do know that they actually hates Ukraine more than Putin. It is reality.

Also Orban and Fico are cancer for EU for collective decisions even not about Ukr or immigrants... question.

A lot of countries doesn't in reality want to see Ukr in EU, not alone about other dreams.

Orban at least always had told in open text that he will not allow Ukr to be member of EU, not alone to talk about other things here.

Literally plain text that in best case Ukr should be grey zone and cheap transit route.

 

[SandisLL]

Interesting.

The U.S. Army is currently going through a difficult time. It is having a hard time recruiting people and keeping people in the ranks. Most with combat experience have now left the ranks. DEI has done a wonderful job of weakening one of the best Armies in the world. Thanks Uncle Joe! Standards have been lowered to accommodate women in combat MOSs. Add to that that we now have women in the Infantry both in the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps. The results have been catastrophic in effectiveness and morale. This under an all-volunteer Army. According to your numbers, a US ground war in Ukraine would by all accounts bring the draft back.

If the numbers you are showing for the US are even close to the numbers for Ukraine, things are bad for Ukraine. They are bad for Russia also, but Russia can sustain (as shown) a higher number of casualties better than Ukraine. Of course, Ukraine casualty numbers are a well-guarded secret.

I don't know how much faith to put into those Army War College numbers. Seems a bit high to me. They should be taking into account US air support, drone warfare, and electronic/cyber warfare.

* 58,220 is the total number of dead Americans during the Vietnam war. Dead, not casualties.

Why there are different sense about dead numbers , Marx had properly defined why entity called country had been created and does exist. In order to provide real elite with income.
Others are meat and cows in dairy farm.

There are 2 nations : oppressors class and oppressed class in this world.
Lenin.

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Question : you are so concerned to save ukrainians lifes in order, comrade to incroporate them into Russian empire you love from puffy armchair. Yes, for a paycheck, there is nothing wrong comrade, everyone is earning money in this life...

Interestingly you earlier had expressed so deep concern comrade about supposed american taxpayers money wasted comrade, now you are with 0 crying about bills for Israel.

Comrade, you think that you are in retards MMA etc fans forum and will earn for a living with your real job.

While pretending that you are american boy from U.S.
You are not american, nor rep nor dem.
You hate U.S and love russia a lot. From cubicle. Yelling and lying for a living.

Nothing wrong, this is normal business, if you don't dream that others here are idiots living in dreams.
We do respect here more...guys without attempts to waste our time with weasel type waste of time....

 

[Badr Hari]

Russia has to destroy roughly 50% of the Ukrainian Army to win this conflict. The tempo is okay. Russia is slowly grinding away at the male Ukrainian population. Remember, no war has been declared on Ukraine by Russia. Millions of Russian soldiers are waiting in reserve.

But it has in three years only managed to make Ukrainian army grow by 350%. Tempo really is the speed of walk of a turtle. A ruined village per week, Ukraine can live with that, since it is absolutely vast.

Russia is (I'm afraid soon the 'is' will be changed to 'was') capable to defeat Ukraine but as you said they never 'declared war' on Ukraine and looks like Putin lacks the courage to ever do it due to the internal consequences of such a decision. Soviets used 3 million soldiers to take Kyiv and Dnipro and the Nazis weren't on home soil and weren't a 21st century drone warfare superpower.

 

[SandisLL]

But it has in three years only managed to make Ukrainian army grow by 350%. Tempo really is the speed of walk of a turtle. A ruined village per week, Ukraine can live with that, since it is absolutely vast.

Russia is (I'm afraid soon the 'is' will be changed to 'was') capable to defeat Ukraine but as you said they never 'declared war' on Ukraine and looks like Putin lacks the courage to ever do it due to the internal consequences of such a decision. Soviets used 3 million soldiers to take Kyiv and Dnipro and the Nazis weren't on home soil and weren't a 21st century drone warfare superpower.

Soviets in 1943-1944 had been with air superiority in Ukraine and yes, had used more than 350 000 ukrainians to take Kiev.
Ukrainians according to russians are their property and peaces...like more than 300 000 peaces of meat used against Finland in 1939 th.
Approx 160 000 used in Afganistan.
Function = meat.

Now pro Kremlin oriented anglo saxonians are doing business with their buds in Kremlin. With nice excuses about nukes.

Real nonsense, they loved Kremlin long ago before WW2.
Ofc were periods when they decided not to support Kremlin cos fear from communism.

Otherwise all fractions in U.S and U.K had loved Kremlin.

A lot.
Always will support Kremlin.

Ukr will get reality and realpololitk and will teach their kids.
Remember " Country is entity created and maintained in order to provide ELITE with income. " Carl Marx.

If to bear in mind that russian plebs are proud and like Hitler were unable to deal even with gypsies thinking in more healthy manner about rulers, plebs and other kind of idiots living in empty dreams in debts from salary till next patcheck with fear not to get next one...dreaming sheeps living in cheap dreams...

 

[Rational Poster]

Yes.
Conditions to be met would be:
1. Ukraine does not join NATO.
2. Ethnic Russian minority gets the same treatment as ethnic Ukrainians.
3. Russia gets to keep territory so far conquered in this conflict.
4. Zelensky steps down since his term is already over. Hold new elections without western influence (i.e. CIA).

Russia has to destroy roughly 50% of the Ukrainian Army to win this conflict. The tempo is okay. Russia is slowly grinding away at the male Ukrainian population. Remember, no war has been declared on Ukraine by Russia. Millions of Russian soldiers are waiting in reserve.

Ukraine most certainly is. When did the Ukrainian male population become larger than the Russian male population? Have you checked the casualty figures for Ukraine since this conflict started? Do you really think Ukraine can keep on fighting for another 3 years?

What is the EU going to do? Nothing. What is the US going to do? Nothing.
Russia has nuclear weapons, Ukraine does not. Does either Europe or the United States willing to risk a nuclear war over Ukraine? Of course not. Putin does not want all of Ukraine. I've covered this before. Ethnic Russians in Ukraine are primarily concentrated in the Crimean Peninsula, the East, and South of the country, forming a notable fraction of the population in these regions.

* Remember, Joe Biden told Putin in 2022 that a 'small' military incursion into Ukraine would be okay with him (United States). How 'small?' You will have to ask Uncle Joe. Anything from the size of the state of Rhode Island to something the size of Texas. Uncle Joe would have a hard time defining 'small.'

I already went over this with you weirdo.

At the current rate is casualty Ukraine has over 50 years of manpower. Even if you want to be dishonest and double it, that's still 25 years of manpower.

And that's assuming no more Ukrainians are born. They still haven't started conscripting under 25 years of age.

Whether or not Russia has more potential manpower is irrelevant since Ukraine has more than enough to last for decades. Russia can't actually equip and maintain that extra manpower in the field.

 

[SandisLL]

If mid terms elections in U.S had been done after month, most likely reps had to lost majority in both Congress and Senate...
Plus if take in account real life where not all reps support MAGA Mike and Co....


Ofc before this should taste tariffs and other beauties...after this aunt elon and social media BS will not help.
If Pump will not wake up in reality.

 

[PEB]

 

[aerius]

I don't know how much faith to put into those Army War College numbers. Seems a bit high to me. They should be taking into account US air support, drone warfare, and electronic/cyber warfare.

The problem with US air support is where will the planes fly from? If the US and NATO gets into a direct war with Russia, every single airbase within range of the Ukraine will be trashed by missiles & drone strikes. The only airplanes with rough field capability on the NATO side are the various Saabs from Sweden and the A-10, all of which are easy pickings for Russian planes and air defence systems. B-52s and B-1s will also be blown out of the sky without much trouble and there simply aren't enough B-2s to make a difference.

As for drones and electronic/cyber warfare, the US is well behind the Ukraine and Russia right now. Russia has tons of EW systems all the way from the strategic level (Murmansk BN jammers) down to the squad level with various backpack & light vehicle mounted systems. Same thing with drones, they have everything from the strategic level down to individual FPV drones, and more importantly they have a shitload of them along with a battle proven doctrine for using them.

Finally, there's the problem of logistics as explained by a former Royal Navy commodore.

Right now NATO could not win a war with Russia

Are the allied forces helping or hurting the prospects of a sustainable peace? This retired Royal Navy commodore has some thoughts.

responsiblestatecraft.org

Second, to have the remotest chance of success in this doomsday scenario of a NATO-Russia war, U.S. forces would need to deploy at scale into continental Europe. Even if the U.S. Army was established at the necessary scale — with a 2023 establishment of 473,000, under one third of the current Russian Army, it is not — the overwhelming majority of American equipment and logistics would have to travel by sea.

There, they would be vulnerable to Russian submarine-launched torpedoes and mines. As a former underwater warfare specialist, I do not believe that NATO now has the scale of anti-submarine or mine-warfare forces needed to protect Europe’s sea lines of communication.

Nor, for that matter, would these forces be able to successfully protect Europe’s hydrocarbon imports, in particular oil and LNG so critical to Europe’s economic survival.
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In summary, NATO is positioning itself as Europe’s defender, yet lacks the industrial capacity to sustain peer-to-peer warfighting, is wholly dependent on U.S. forces for the remotest chance of success, is unable satisfactorily to defend its sea lines of communication against Russian submarine, or its training and industrial infrastructure against strategic ballistic bombardment, is comprised of a diverse mix of un-bloodied conventional forces, and lacks the capacity to think and act strategically.

An easy NATO victory cannot be assumed, and I am afraid that the opposite looks far more likely to me.

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It's actually even worse since the latest generation of Russian subs (Yasen-M) are guided missile subs which can hit US ships from outside the range of anything that can hit back. These things are the equivalent of a Block V Virginia class sub (the US hasn't finished building one yet) except they're loaded with hypersonic missiles that are a couple generations ahead of anything NATO has. They're also quiet enough that several US navy officials have admitted that they can't track it.

 

[SandisLL]

The problem with US air support is where will the planes fly from? If the US and NATO gets into a direct war with Russia, every single airbase within range of the Ukraine will be trashed by missiles & drone strikes. The only airplanes with rough field capability on the NATO side are the various Saabs from Sweden and the A-10, all of which are easy pickings for Russian planes and air defence systems. B-52s and B-1s will also be blown out of the sky without much trouble and there simply aren't enough B-2s to make a difference.

As for drones and electronic/cyber warfare, the US is well behind the Ukraine and Russia right now. Russia has tons of EW systems all the way from the strategic level (Murmansk BN jammers) down to the squad level with various backpack & light vehicle mounted systems. Same thing with drones, they have everything from the strategic level down to individual FPV drones, and more importantly they have a shitload of them along with a battle proven doctrine for using them.

Finally, there's the problem of logistics as explained by a former Royal Navy commodore.

Right now NATO could not win a war with Russia

Are the allied forces helping or hurting the prospects of a sustainable peace? This retired Royal Navy commodore has some thoughts.

responsiblestatecraft.org

Second, to have the remotest chance of success in this doomsday scenario of a NATO-Russia war, U.S. forces would need to deploy at scale into continental Europe. Even if the U.S. Army was established at the necessary scale — with a 2023 establishment of 473,000, under one third of the current Russian Army, it is not — the overwhelming majority of American equipment and logistics would have to travel by sea.

There, they would be vulnerable to Russian submarine-launched torpedoes and mines. As a former underwater warfare specialist, I do not believe that NATO now has the scale of anti-submarine or mine-warfare forces needed to protect Europe’s sea lines of communication.

Nor, for that matter, would these forces be able to successfully protect Europe’s hydrocarbon imports, in particular oil and LNG so critical to Europe’s economic survival.
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In summary, NATO is positioning itself as Europe’s defender, yet lacks the industrial capacity to sustain peer-to-peer warfighting, is wholly dependent on U.S. forces for the remotest chance of success, is unable satisfactorily to defend its sea lines of communication against Russian submarine, or its training and industrial infrastructure against strategic ballistic bombardment, is comprised of a diverse mix of un-bloodied conventional forces, and lacks the capacity to think and act strategically.

An easy NATO victory cannot be assumed, and I am afraid that the opposite looks far more likely to me.

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It's actually even worse since the latest generation of Russian subs (Yasen-M) are guided missile subs which can hit US ships from outside the range of anything that can hit back. These things are the equivalent of a Block V Virginia class sub (the US hasn't finished building one yet) except they're loaded with hypersonic missiles that are a couple generations ahead of anything NATO has. They're also quiet enough that several US navy officials have admitted that they can't track it.

I see that you love Matushka a lot, maybe it is time to relocate to russia, comrade? I see that you love Matushka enough to get accepted....maybe to participate in small special operation too...

Don't worry comrade, west, especially anglo saxonians loves Matushka a lot...only recently had a bit improved just some sanctions. So take anglo saxonian popcorn and Cola. Business and nothing personal.

 

[Rholk]

The problem with US air support is where will the planes fly from? If the US and NATO gets into a direct war with Russia, every single airbase within range of the Ukraine will be trashed by missiles & drone strikes. The only airplanes with rough field capability on the NATO side are the various Saabs from Sweden and the A-10, all of which are easy pickings for Russian planes and air defence systems. B-52s and B-1s will also be blown out of the sky without much trouble and there simply aren't enough B-2s to make a difference.

As for drones and electronic/cyber warfare, the US is well behind the Ukraine and Russia right now. Russia has tons of EW systems all the way from the strategic level (Murmansk BN jammers) down to the squad level with various backpack & light vehicle mounted systems. Same thing with drones, they have everything from the strategic level down to individual FPV drones, and more importantly they have a shitload of them along with a battle proven doctrine for using them.

Finally, there's the problem of logistics as explained by a former Royal Navy commodore.

Right now NATO could not win a war with Russia

Are the allied forces helping or hurting the prospects of a sustainable peace? This retired Royal Navy commodore has some thoughts.

responsiblestatecraft.org

Second, to have the remotest chance of success in this doomsday scenario of a NATO-Russia war, U.S. forces would need to deploy at scale into continental Europe. Even if the U.S. Army was established at the necessary scale — with a 2023 establishment of 473,000, under one third of the current Russian Army, it is not — the overwhelming majority of American equipment and logistics would have to travel by sea.

There, they would be vulnerable to Russian submarine-launched torpedoes and mines. As a former underwater warfare specialist, I do not believe that NATO now has the scale of anti-submarine or mine-warfare forces needed to protect Europe’s sea lines of communication.

Nor, for that matter, would these forces be able to successfully protect Europe’s hydrocarbon imports, in particular oil and LNG so critical to Europe’s economic survival.
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In summary, NATO is positioning itself as Europe’s defender, yet lacks the industrial capacity to sustain peer-to-peer warfighting, is wholly dependent on U.S. forces for the remotest chance of success, is unable satisfactorily to defend its sea lines of communication against Russian submarine, or its training and industrial infrastructure against strategic ballistic bombardment, is comprised of a diverse mix of un-bloodied conventional forces, and lacks the capacity to think and act strategically.

An easy NATO victory cannot be assumed, and I am afraid that the opposite looks far more likely to me.

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It's actually even worse since the latest generation of Russian subs (Yasen-M) are guided missile subs which can hit US ships from outside the range of anything that can hit back. These things are the equivalent of a Block V Virginia class sub (the US hasn't finished building one yet) except they're loaded with hypersonic missiles that are a couple generations ahead of anything NATO has. They're also quiet enough that several US navy officials have admitted that they can't track it.

Don't let the fact that a much smaller neighbour has fought them to a standstill for 3 years now wake you up from this fantasy world bro.
I'm sure the real Russian army with their Wunderwaffe will show up, any day now!

 

[Strychnine]

How is the EU next on the menu? Do you actually think Russia wants to take over Europe? Please!
EU support is only financial and through weaponry. No European military forces (soldiers) will go to Ukraine. Same for the US.

Yeah, you're right because Putin would NEVER just invade another country.

 

[aerius]

Don't let the fact that a much smaller neighbour has fought them to a standstill for 3 years now wake you up from this fantasy world bro.
I'm sure the real Russian army with their Wunderwaffe will show up, any day now!

Thanks for telling everyone that you know absolutely nothing about the Ukrainian military and how heavily armed it was. As in it had more artillery, MLRS, and anti-aircraft systems than the entire US military, along with more heavy armoured vehicles than the EU. NATO forces would get absolutely shit-kicked if they tried to invade the Ukraine.

 

[filthybliss]

The problem with US air support is where will the planes fly from? If the US and NATO gets into a direct war with Russia, every single airbase within range of the Ukraine will be trashed by missiles & drone strikes. The only airplanes with rough field capability on the NATO side are the various Saabs from Sweden and the A-10, all of which are easy pickings for Russian planes and air defence systems. B-52s and B-1s will also be blown out of the sky without much trouble and there simply aren't enough B-2s to make a difference.

As for drones and electronic/cyber warfare, the US is well behind the Ukraine and Russia right now. Russia has tons of EW systems all the way from the strategic level (Murmansk BN jammers) down to the squad level with various backpack & light vehicle mounted systems. Same thing with drones, they have everything from the strategic level down to individual FPV drones, and more importantly they have a shitload of them along with a battle proven doctrine for using them.

Finally, there's the problem of logistics as explained by a former Royal Navy commodore.

Right now NATO could not win a war with Russia

Are the allied forces helping or hurting the prospects of a sustainable peace? This retired Royal Navy commodore has some thoughts.

responsiblestatecraft.org

Second, to have the remotest chance of success in this doomsday scenario of a NATO-Russia war, U.S. forces would need to deploy at scale into continental Europe. Even if the U.S. Army was established at the necessary scale — with a 2023 establishment of 473,000, under one third of the current Russian Army, it is not — the overwhelming majority of American equipment and logistics would have to travel by sea.

There, they would be vulnerable to Russian submarine-launched torpedoes and mines. As a former underwater warfare specialist, I do not believe that NATO now has the scale of anti-submarine or mine-warfare forces needed to protect Europe’s sea lines of communication.

Nor, for that matter, would these forces be able to successfully protect Europe’s hydrocarbon imports, in particular oil and LNG so critical to Europe’s economic survival.
----------------------------
In summary, NATO is positioning itself as Europe’s defender, yet lacks the industrial capacity to sustain peer-to-peer warfighting, is wholly dependent on U.S. forces for the remotest chance of success, is unable satisfactorily to defend its sea lines of communication against Russian submarine, or its training and industrial infrastructure against strategic ballistic bombardment, is comprised of a diverse mix of un-bloodied conventional forces, and lacks the capacity to think and act strategically.

An easy NATO victory cannot be assumed, and I am afraid that the opposite looks far more likely to me.

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It's actually even worse since the latest generation of Russian subs (Yasen-M) are guided missile subs which can hit US ships from outside the range of anything that can hit back. These things are the equivalent of a Block V Virginia class sub (the US hasn't finished building one yet) except they're loaded with hypersonic missiles that are a couple generations ahead of anything NATO has. They're also quiet enough that several US navy officials have admitted that they can't track it.

Are you retarded? 1% of America's military budget is able squash Russia from engulfing their neighbor. We all know that you are self-loathing and you want America to crumble but this delusion is hilarious. There is a reason why America won the cold war against the Soviets.

 

[Strychnine]

Again, Putin does not want all of Ukraine. For what he wants, another 1 to 2 years will do.

How was Russia screwed?
As mentioned before, Ukraine brought this conflict on itself (with some help from the west). Ukraine screwed itself.

How did Putin screw Russia?

How was Russia's economy prior to the invasion vs. right now?