International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[San Marino]

Dear God. Do you read what you write? Z is bit of a knob, for sure. But it certainly isn't his fault that civilians are being killed by missiles from Russia. Missiles from that massive knob, and then our own fucking knob in the USA that could have made it harder to kill said civilians.

You're a bloody knob too for insinuating that this civilian death is all Ukraine's fault.

Well, Russia did not start this conflict. NATO movement eastward did. What would happen if Canada and Mexico were to join the Warsaw Pact and place soviet missiles next to the US border? Just look at what happened to Cuba. Why can't Cuba work with the USSR and put Russian nuclear ICBMs in its island? It is a sovereign country like Ukraine. NATO can move next to Russia, but Russia can't move next to Europe? Why is that? Why the double standard?

 

[SandisLL]

Recent news about not sharing intelligence anymore affecting himars it seems



Poland probably having regrets a bit since they bought a lot of this stuff

There, yes, they might not provide sattelite imagines and maybe to switch off access to military grade GPS till some extent.

With older 165 km range missile , this stuff with 560-570 kg warhead with cluster ammo: U.S absolutely is incapable to prevent to use this. There is inertial guidance, 0 usage of GPS, and there not likely are some wundersecurity in order not to allow launch, enter coordinates etc.

Also these oldest obsolete variants of 227 mm missiles does have unguided stuff, almost like Uragan missile...

These with Inertial guidance assisted by GPS : if they will recombine chain, might be used with inertial only.

Ofc Poland does regrets a lot, for example from 520 launchers ordered they had till today only 20 supplied.
South Korea quickly delivered 90 launchers.

And ofc now does looks that we can't trust that if we will have shit they will even deliver missiles for these..this reality.
SK and Israel is question, if you will have war, will they supply stuff for launchers or no.

There are cheaper alternatives, China, India etc.
Ofc there too supplies are under question, if you will have war.
At least cheaper and maybe might be possible to negotiate to purchase production licenses for some simple models.

 

[SandisLL]

Poland does have also local Grad type MRLS, missiles range 20-40 km. 122 mm Grad type stuff.
They does produce this locally full cycle production. Launchers, missiles for them. Ofc they ASAP needs to place a lot of orders for them....immediately...

 

[SandisLL]

Well, Russia did not start this conflict. NATO movement eastward did. What would happen if Canada and Mexico were to join the Warsaw Pact and place soviet missiles next to the US border? Just look at what happened to Cuba. Why can't Cuba work with the USSR and put Russian nuclear ICBMs in its island? It is a sovereign country like Ukraine. NATO can move next to Russia, but Russia can't move next to Europe? Why is that? Why the double standard?

Well good trolling comrade.
Lavrov office mouthpeace.

We do know that it is coz they are thinking that Ukraine is their property.

Calm down here.
I had posted long ago that part of ukr will be under russsia and another part will be in debts and dreams till next war. I had posted this years ago.

Comrade, better post in open text that you do support Russia, do support Empire..

Without these mainstream excuses.

In old time ppl were simple and more open.
Now in mass media era there ofc endless parasites might earn for a living in puffy cubicles and theoretize simple plain things in order to earn for a living♡.

 

[SandisLL]

Ukraine does have neighbors like Lukashenko, Fico and Orban. There all is clear.

Now first talks about peace in Ukraine were between U.S and Russia. Without Ukraine.
Why they does need if Ukr is meal on the table.
Simple life.
Doesn't makes sense who will rule Ukraine, they will sooner or later sign stuff U.S and Russia will negotiate about. Likes or no.

They are dreaming that Europe will pay their debts and rush to invest billions.
They will see real hell exactly after war.
Oligarchs will earn, debts will increase etc. Will be for casual ppl.

 

[Cartiac]

Coming to a close and Ukraine will not be the winner. It will lose the eastern part of the country to Russia -- 20%. Maybe up to 30% by the time it is all said and done. Poked the bear over NATO membership and things did not go well.

Little guy didn't just poke the bear to start this, he spit in the face of the top lion and his cub while they were trying to save his country.

Looks like Zelensky may have finally sobered up, but still no apology and still thinks he is in a position to dictate how this goes. It is pretty safe to say Trump will not just forget or excuse that unbelievable level of disrespect and very likely Zelensky will not be a part of Ukraine's future however this ends.

 

[Rod1]

When did Zelensky abandon Ukraine?

For the US abandoning Ukraine

 

[calavera2]

Coming to a close and Ukraine will not be the winner. It will lose the eastern part of the country to Russia -- 20%. Maybe up to 30% by the time it is all said and done. Poked the bear over NATO membership and things did not go well.

Hasn't gone well for Russia either...and its still possible for it to go much worse for them...we'll see how this shakes out..