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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

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Cajun said:
Europe as a whole has more of an interest in staying in this due to proximity to Russia. It caused them all to meet a few weeks ago. I'm curious to see what Macron says following the meeting. England PM will also meet with Trump. Lots of money was also loaned to the Ukraine by European nations. That will need to be repaid. They just have too much of an interest in being involved. Of course all EU countries aren't equal and having reps from all 27 won't be as profitable
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There is reality that Ukr debts are different and xxxx of papers...so of they get loan from country X, they will be forced to talk exactly with them.


Unfortunately there are also municipality debts and private debts too. A lot. Damn a lot.

Also institutions ofc.. they really will demand everything sooner or later...later : more to pay that's all here.
 
SandisLL said:
Ofc europe needs to increase def funding, I had posted this 3 years ago and they did but not all countries....

There also are real problems because refugees: they does cost damn a lot. Especially kids, small kids even more than older kids

Additionally Ukr is sitting on loans from EU, EU countries, also ofc on grants too, plus are receiving humanitarian aid, meds etc.
Damn, they are food exporters and still are getting even food packs from EU countries. Believe me, these in EU does cost more than in ukr....considerably more.

They not only are getting loans from EU, also grants, loans from IMF, WB, IBRD, EBRD etc....also from other sources.

If this didn't had get spent here...then europe really might had sent more weapons....
Europe even despite this had helped more than U.S...this is reality and EC will not agree with fake accusations.

While what will happen with Ukr if they will stop even just to pump money in Ukraine? They will default quickly.

Debts btw too are rising each day...more and more.
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Good input some of which I'm unaware. Thanks. What EC accusations? I'm not aware. I think all of what you mentioned in this post are reasons EU countries and the UK are going to make a hard push to get involved. And I think they should. At least those at the top of that food chain directly. If Trump skips their involvement I will be in strong disagreement. I think the rest of the EU should be indirectly involved meaning they shouldn't be in the meetings with putin.
 
Cajun said:
Good input some of which I'm unaware. Thanks. What EC accusations? I'm not aware. I think all of what you mentioned in this post are reasons EU countries and the UK are going to make a hard push to get involved. And I think they should. At least those at the top of that food chain directly. If Trump skips their involvement I will be in strong disagreement. I think the rest of the EU should be indirectly involved meaning they shouldn't be in the meetings with putin.
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There is reality that if for example Poland didn't had refugees...they might had spent on defense more than 5%. They already does have more than 4%....

Even in 2022 th some countries started to rack up def budgets.
Some are very angry to increase def spendings.


Also ofc Fico and Orban here...they are really " helpful " for Ukr.
I even think that Putin will not sign final papers for this episode until pres elections in Romania. If Calin will get elected Ukr will start to see real hell....slowly but it will be nightmare.

Calin if will be president will get access to classiefied NATO documents about central europe defense plans.
He is against any form of support for ukr, nor military equipment nor even humanitary aid, definitely will disagree with euro funding for reconstruction or further loans for Ukr.

The biggest shit he might do in short term is that he might ban weapons and ammo export from Romania to Ukr...
Then also might attempt to block transit too.

Unlike Hungary, Romania does have more MIC companies and they does have also soviet type stuff in stockpiles.
Calin might stop all assistance from Romania for Ukraine.
Dunno what he will do with cooperation with europe but he hates Ukraine more than Fico...Fico will look like saint if compare with Calin.
 
Calin hates Ukraine even more than Putin.
He easily might even order mobilization and to install occupation forces in Ukraine.
One stuff will not allow this to happen is that for mobo and occupation forces there financing is needed.
Current Romanian lawmakers are not likely in agreement with Calic...
So he does knows that for this he will not get financing bill voted YES.....this one.
Otherwise he not likely will care about " collateral damage " and mobiks.

Orban always is the same: he confirmed that he doesn't want to see Ukraine in EU and NATO because according to him Ukraine is oppressing Hungarians living in Ukraine.
One from reasons is education, but sorry how Ukr might easily to hire teachers if they does have war? Plus salaries in Hungary are better than in Ukraine + bonus 0 bomb risk to get on head.
Teachers are not idiots, if they reeally are fluent in HU then might earn more + 0 bombs risk in Hungary.

Orban had repeatedly the same phrase for NATO security council like he did decade ago: " I do not want to install troops in Ukraine or claim part of their territory. "
At least consistent the same thing like in 2014 th.
Orban does talk sometimes in plain, simple and direct texts always the same thing.
He also isn't senile.
 
I mainly use 2 sources about Ukr maps: one is really neutral and actually very brutal guy. He does have Master degree in geography for free and even had get stipend and grants. He is really cold and very brutal. About Ukr he does post in rare cases.
Another source for me in public space is one guy who had been used as commander of special task forces in one country. He had get a lot of shit to taste. Ofc maps without talking stuff are valuable otherwise ...
He is under NDA.

Like this. Not stuff like awesome news etc clickbait type breaking news.
 
Badr Hari said:
Macron should punch a hole in his tamed shallow head
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you notice with Trump most times, that when he lies in front of people who will not back down and who do correct him Trump shrinks and maybe tries to make a joke of it but does not fight back.

That is until much later on Social Media when he again finds his tough self and gets him tweeting angrily at the correction said earlier.
 
Badr Hari said:
Macron should punch a hole in his tamed shallow head
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Macron should punch his own head

French are number 1 in europe in buying russian gas, hit record 3 months back


Odessa journal reports france is main lng transport hub with gas transits from russia having increased by 81 percent from 2023 to 2024

odessa-journal.com

France Leads in Russian LNG Imports Amid European Shift - Oj

France becomes Europe's top recipient of Russian LNG, with imports up 81% in 2023-2024. Concerns rise over EU's reliance on Russian energy amid war.
odessa-journal.com odessa-journal.com

Of course macron is not probably in charge of energy sector but i find his tough talk towards russia kinda weird since french energy policy is what it is. (Trump can punch himself as well)
 
Cole train said:
Macron should punch his own head

French are number 1 in europe in buying russian gas, hit record 3 months back


Odessa journal reports france is main lng transport hub with gas transits from russia having increased by 81 percent from 2023 to 2024

odessa-journal.com

France Leads in Russian LNG Imports Amid European Shift - Oj

France becomes Europe's top recipient of Russian LNG, with imports up 81% in 2023-2024. Concerns rise over EU's reliance on Russian energy amid war.
odessa-journal.com odessa-journal.com

Of course macron is not probably in charge of energy sector but i find his tough talk towards russia kinda weird since french energy policy is what it is. (Trump can punch himself as well)
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You may be right but I think it's a more complicated topic than just blaming them for "co-operation with the enemy". France is in a way milking Rus in that case I believe. Buying cheap and selling to get multiple times the profit. Not to mention that Macron has most merits for holding russian assets of 300+ billions frozen. It's what essentially keeps Ukr resistance alive, basically making Russia pay AFU with it's own oligarch money. Zelensky did the same with russian gas for almost three years. They barely paid a cent to the russians and used it and did not stop transit to Hungary and Slovakia. Somebody from the hardliners could call Zelensky a traitor but it made logic to me. I am aware that in the past and especially in late 20th century France and Moscow have had a very special and close relationship (british and americans punched russia's whores in the nose in serbia for example) but apparently Macron seems to be a different crop. And i like his boxing skills lol. As for Trump on a personal level he has clearly multiple connections with the Kremlin. High profile bussinessman from Switzerland who have made billions from Putin's time and even from Yeltsin's time in Moscow and Kazakhstan are regularly seen on every ceremony trump organizes in Dc. I don't in principle condemn Trump's talks with Putin as obviously he has to do them, I just can't stand his completely submissive stance towards the Kremlin, especially the rhetoric which is of unseen levels of idiotism.
 
The main points of Vladimir Putin's evening statements (post is being updated):

— Zelensky is becoming a toxic figure for the Ukrainian military;
— Zelensky's rating is half that of Zaluzhny;
— Zelensky has driven himself into a dead end with a decree banning negotiations with the Russian Federation;
— Trump wants to improve Ukraine's health;
— Russia is not against preserving Ukrainian statehood;
— It is important for Moscow that Ukrainian territory is not used to threaten Russia;
— Zelensky's departure is in Ukraine's interests;
— The current EU leaders are committed to the Kyiv regime;
— Nevertheless, there is nothing wrong with the EU's participation in the negotiations;
— Russia is ready to offer the US the opportunity to work together in the field of rare earth metals;
— A 50% reduction in defense spending by Russia and the US is a good idea;
— Russia is ready to supply 2 million tons of aluminum to the US market;
— Russia and the US could launch joint projects for aluminum mining, for example, in Krasnoyarsk Krai;
— Donbass and Novorossiya could become a territory of cooperation between Russia and the US on rare earth metals.

Source: Ruski Telegram (who is btw absolutely furious and angry at tonight's statement by Putin)
 
aerius said:
Let's see what actual professionals say about the current situation.
Hint. It ain't good for the Ukraine, they're kinda fucked.

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Did you get cucked by some NATO employee or something?

I seriously don’t understand why any Asian person would be such a Russophile unless they are Chinese. It sets a precedent that China can terrorize Taiwan or whatever puny countries surround it since nobody will hold them accoutable like Russia here.

Either Russia returns what it stole or Ukraine joins NATO for its safety because Russia has shown to have poor impulse control.
 
Anewt said:
What is Ukraine's biggest natural resource?
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores.
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In Europe yes.
In the world: Kazakhstan, Canada, and Russia.
The US ranks 4th in the world.
I have a small elements collection which includes small Uranium ore samples, Uranium Dioxide crystals, and 102 grams of Uranium-238 (depleted Uranium). Uranium-235 is the bomb grade Uranium. It is illegal to sell, buy, or own. U-235 makes up a very small part of natural Uranium. It is a complex process to separate. This is what the Iranians are currently working on. Plutonium-239 is man-made from Uranium in nuclear reactors. It has the same restrictions as U-235.
 


For there to be peace, all parties have to agree.

What's being proposed by Trump is not agreeable to Ukraine.
 
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Badr Hari said:
The main points of Vladimir Putin's evening statements (post is being updated):

— Zelensky is becoming a toxic figure for the Ukrainian military;
— Zelensky's rating is half that of Zaluzhny;
— Zelensky has driven himself into a dead end with a decree banning negotiations with the Russian Federation;
— Trump wants to improve Ukraine's health;
— Russia is not against preserving Ukrainian statehood;
— It is important for Moscow that Ukrainian territory is not used to threaten Russia;
— Zelensky's departure is in Ukraine's interests;
— The current EU leaders are committed to the Kyiv regime;
— Nevertheless, there is nothing wrong with the EU's participation in the negotiations;
— Russia is ready to offer the US the opportunity to work together in the field of rare earth metals;
— A 50% reduction in defense spending by Russia and the US is a good idea;
— Russia is ready to supply 2 million tons of aluminum to the US market;
— Russia and the US could launch joint projects for aluminum mining, for example, in Krasnoyarsk Krai;
— Donbass and Novorossiya could become a territory of cooperation between Russia and the US on rare earth metals.

Source: Ruski Telegram (who is btw absolutely furious and angry at tonight's statement by Putin)
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There reality is that they does have these 2 000 000 metric tons high quality aluminium and also not lesser ammount of cheap fertilizers....

Aluminium Russia mainly is producing in Siberia where for this large hydroelectric power plants had been built...in order to produce cheap aluminium.
Putin also does control nickel production in Russia...nornickel corporations...
 
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