International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[Ruthless Ryan]

Russia screwed Russia.

Same as it ever was.

Yep, Putin needs peace because his country is imploding not because of a good will gesture.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Zelensky proposes bold territory swap with Russia​

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In the same interview, Zelensky commented that if U.S. President Donald Trump ceases support for Ukraine, "Europe alone will be unable to fill the gap."

Well, that would be just too bad for Zelensky and Ukraine. Should not have relied on the Biden administration and this need to join NATO. Uncle Joe has fucked Ukraine over but is now retired living the good life on his stolen wealth. He certainly does not give two shits about the fate of Zelensky or Ukraine.

You blame Joe Biden for Ukraine's woes? Not Putin that ordered the invasion and would have taken the whole country if not for the help the West provided?

 

[pugilistico]

You blame Joe Biden for Ukraine's woes? Not Putin that ordered the invasion and would have taken the whole country if not for the help the West provided?

Dude wants Russia to take over Ukraine.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

What writing on the wall?

How do you know?
I think there is a good chance Ukraine will not get out of this war in 2025.
...and Russia will fall by June of this year?

Why would Putler want peace when his army is so successful and gaining ground at a high rate with limited loses? Because he knows his country is fucked if this goes on much longer that’s why.

 

[SandisLL]

Putler now is talking about peace talks only in order to delay western assistance for Ukr.
He is increasing expenses for propaganda and to hire more soldiers.
Looks that he is reported that Special operation is going as had been planned.

Ofc generals and Russian Military industrial complex are interested to continue war....more orders, more money....
Plus oligarchs supplying military with food, clothing etc, even construction materials and bags for sand.
Not alone that they are renting excavators etc for good prices etc.
Also to sell Putin for example tunnel digging machine or crane is very lucrative deal: Putin is paying more than civilian market cos he needs fast delivery till dumbass area.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

No, actually, I'm right.

What does naturally defensible borders have to do with anything when you have nuclear weapons? Russia does not want to expand westward. For what? If that was the case, why did it allow Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine to become independent countries? Why would they wait until 2022 to start a major invasion of Ukraine? Again, all of this has to do with NATO expansion to the East. The US promised the Soviets that NATO would not move 1" to the East if Gorbachev would allow the two Germanies to become one - 1990. The Soviets believed in this and allowed Germany to become one country. We Americans negated on that promise and moved NATO Eastward. We fucked Russia over with our promise.

In 1994, President Bill Clinton announced the Partnership for Peace and committed NATO to expanding into Central and Eastern Europe. The PfP was a way to increase cooperation between NATO and former Soviet states.

Ah the good old “NATO promise” hoax again.

Just a small detail but that expansion eastward involving Central and Eastern European countries, you know, sovereign countries that are entitled to make their own decisions regarding which partnership to join?

They desperately wanted to join NATO because they’ve had a long history of Russians doing bad things to them (small example: the Holodomor in Ukraine). And them expecting that Russia will continue to do bad things to them later, case in point being Ukraine. There’s a reason that traditionally neutral countries such as Sweden and Finland are now siding with the West.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

I get your point though france was never under russias control.

I dont think poles will send off 50k soldiers to wild suicide run in ukraine, thats just ridiculous from military point of view

More likely they will build defensive positions on border and hang there

I don’t think you realize how much the Poles hate the Russians. They’ve always had beef. If things escalate they will be more than happy to stick it to Russia.

 

[SandisLL]

I don’t think you realize how much the Poles hate the Russians. They’ve always had beef. If things escalate they will be more than happy to stick it to Russia.

Poles for a reason does hate Ukrainian nationalists not lesser than rudsians. Good pole is died pole. Bandera before even Hitler took office.

Also Kremlin and some ukr ultranationalists had spreaded propaganda that Poland will annex part of western Ukraine. In order to brainwash ukr nationalists for case if poles will h
Be installed in Ukr. They are doing this 16 years in row.

So for obvious reason Poland will be reluctant to install troops because then ukr - Poland war might happen.
While if they will get more ammo etc in case if they will not deplete stockpiles ....they might send toys and ammo. Obviously stuff purchased from Israel, Switzerland and South Korea is out of question unless theses countries will remove clauses from sales contracts signed earlier.

 

[pugilistico]

Apparently NK troops are back in action. Based on drone footage, you can see an obvious difference between Russian and North Korean troops. Russians at least break up their guys into smaller teams but the NK guys just charge forwards in a big line like it's WW1. Just sitting ducks for artillery and drones. I wonder if they learned anything about modern combat.

 

[SandisLL]

Apparently NK troops are back in action. Based on drone footage, you can see an obvious difference between Russian and North Korean troops. Russians at least break up their guys into smaller teams but the NK guys just charge forwards in a big line like it's WW1. Just sitting ducks for artillery and drones. I wonder if they learned anything about modern combat.

They are back in action but for Russia is not interest to have their troops ...they might hire anyway, especially cos they are hiring also immigrants and foreigners, worst thing is that usually these aren't noobs after busification. Russia is hiring even American citizens. For propaganda reason while still they aren't noobs from busification.

Kim is more willing to supply more explosives and ammunition & missiles IF NK troops are used in Russia, they are learning and NK by delivering missiles is using Ukraine as test polygon for their missiles...stuff NK doesn't have in their country.

 

[pugilistico]

They are back in action but for Russia is not interest to have their troops ...they might hire anyway, especially cos they are hiring also immigrants and foreigners, worst thing is that usually these aren't noobs after busification. Russia is hiring even American citizens. For propaganda reason while still they aren't noobs from busification.

Kim is more willing to supply more explosives and ammunition & missiles IF NK troops are used in Russia, they are learning and NK by delivering missiles is using Ukraine as test polygon for their missiles...stuff NK doesn't have in their country.

Might as well use them to soak up Ukrainian ammo. I read that there was a case of NK troops firing on Russians and killing them. And also that video of North Koreans kicking out these old Russian ladies out of their house so they can hide from drones. I don't think the Russians are a fan of them.

Apparently there are Indian guys on the Russian side who got duped into signing a work contract and found out that they were being sent to a war when they got there.

 

[SandisLL]

Might as well use them to soak up Ukrainian ammo. I read that there was a case of NK troops firing on Russians and killing them. And also that video of North Koreans kicking out these old Russian ladies out of their house so they can hide from drones. I don't think the Russians are a fan of them.

Apparently there are Indian guys on the Russian side who got duped into signing a work contract and found out that they were being sent to a war when they got there.

There aren't yet official verdicts that North Korea troops are used in Ukraine.
While obviously they are supplying missiles and ammo for howitzetrs and ammo for mortars.

 

[SandisLL]

Might as well use them to soak up Ukrainian ammo. I read that there was a case of NK troops firing on Russians and killing them. And also that video of North Koreans kicking out these old Russian ladies out of their house so they can hide from drones. I don't think the Russians are a fan of them.

Apparently there are Indian guys on the Russian side who got duped into signing a work contract and found out that they were being sent to a war when they got there.

Russia had used some mercenaries from India.
Modi isn't satisfied, also with delays to deliver stuff for S 400 and AWACS....plus Modi told that he will not tolerate Russia if they will use nukes ( if they does have ) and he wants to get India citizens to get sent back to India instead to get them be used as manpower in Ukraine.

 

[SandisLL]

Putin in person had signed papers that he doesn't mind against Chech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary + Romania and Bulgaria, Poland and Baltic countries to join EU and NATO. Now he is crying and yelling. Most likely some memory problems due his old age?
He had started to yell after August 2008 th when Financial Crisis 2008/2009 th had started....
Does Putin have memory what kind of papers he had signed in person?
Also that he had signed paper that before large scale military actions he will inform and consult with NATO? After this Russia like Ukr had get partner status.. ..Putin really does have memory problems....like russians usually.and ukr too.

 

[SandisLL]

BTW despite putin had increased funding for propaganda.... simple trolls now are paid lesser than years ago per post. Ofc looks that market worth depends from profile history and trustablitiy in social network etc .. ....

Profile registered some month ago etc ....without vids in yoitrube posting in youtrube and without normal previous posts history...maybe 0.5 rouble for comment. In best case.if lucky.

 

[SandisLL]

Yes and that will be a soft way to take over UKR just like Chechnya , and what he has done with Georgia and is trying with Romania and any other country he can get his hands on.

There is big difference between Georgia and Checnya.
Putin had recognized Georgia as sovereign country and even had signed border treaty with them by acknowledging borders with Georgia. Like Yeltsin.
Ofc this was before 2008 th crisis and clearly demonstrates how much worth are papers signed by Putin.

He when had signed naval base rent agreement in Sevastopol 2010 th tariffs....had told that Crimea is Ukraine and therefore he can't provide more discounts for natural gas supplies.
In 2014 th he told that Crimea is Russia.

 

[Cole train]

I don’t think you realize how much the Poles hate the Russians. They’ve always had beef. If things escalate they will be more than happy to stick it to Russia.

Im aware how much poles hate russians

Its the fact that they cant stick it to russia currently

Polish land forces have 110k troops, you can send half to ukraine which is 50k

Russia has 200k to 400k on front, cant say accurately but overall number of people taking part in war is near million or higher

Cant do much with 50k really

 

[PEB]

 

[SandisLL]

Im aware how much poles hate russians

Its the fact that they cant stick it to russia currently

Polish land forces have 110k troops, you can send half to ukraine which is 50k

Russia has 200k to 400k on front, cant say accurately but overall number of people taking part in war is near million or higher

Cant do much with 50k really

Maybe you are not aware how western Ukrainian nationalists hates poles... so there nice stuff for Russia might happen. Also these are these brainwashed nationalists ..armed... really they might go till ...big shit.

Number of soldiers Poland does have matters lesser than equipment etc they might use if to bear in mind that they should keep stuff as deterrent for border with Russia and Belarus...plus they does needs border guards for border with Ukr, police etc too.

They might mobilize ofc...then they will have even till maybe 10% of population mobilized. However why¿ Mr Bandera in 1930 ies was " nice uncle ", they does have memory.

 

[SandisLL]

Putin will continue.

Stuff about NaTO is for mass media, they knew that nor us dems nor reps will accept Ukr in NATO, nor Orban or guys like Fico.
You imagine how long term Orban had delayed 50 b EU collective bill? 2 months. With Sweden he stepped back when get that he can't operate aviation without spare parts from Sweden.... Ukr doesn't have such leverage vs Hungary like Sweden does have in real life. Cos they can't without Sweden, so simple.

Imagine Ukr with war, even if recently....so no long term stability background!, financial problems in Ukraine, talked by Orban's friends supposed oppression of Hungarians in Ukraine ...now the same song are talking Fico friends and Calic guy.
There easily to delay discussions....for years... while nor in 2021 nor 2022 nor now Ukr isn't invited to join EU, not alone had been just provided MAP criteria officially before decision to ...maybe invite, maybe not.
EU candidate status isn't in any kind legally binding. It is offer to get criteria and provided flowchart with intent that IF criteria are fulfilled then MAYBE they maybe might get invited ....MAYBE. Maybe never, maybe after 10 years or 30 years....

Looks that Putin does wants to get physical control for resources and with this rus oligarchs will get more mining industry production they will be able to sell. For example dumbass with antracite and coal suitable to produce coal coke for metallurgy : unlike other sorts of coal, anthracite and coal coke is possible to transport even till China and still with profit.
They also had took largest ukr salt mines complex in Ukraine...while salt does have impression that it is cheap crap....now Russia does have more salt reserves than they had before war ....it does makes sense.
They also had captured mining industry sites where high quality gypsum and clay had been mined and there is big difference between high grade stuff and casual average stuff.

With this they also will make future Ukr economic potential considerably weaker..maybe for decades in row....additionally oligarchs will earn some stuff.....