International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

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Andy Capp said:
I agree except that if I were born in Ukraine and able to fight I would not want the war to end until Russia was driven completely from the land they have taken in this war. They cannot be rewarded for this with new territory or they will be back again once they have recovered from their losses. The pattern is already established.
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Yeah like I said, the Ukrainian POV at least makes sense.. defending their land and territory and homes. I 100% get it. I’d probably do the same if it was my home.

I’ll never understand how the Russians take so much garbage from their government though. The soldiers aren’t choosing to be there. Putin and his cronies are sending the meat waves like it’s a video game, but it’s not. These are real human lives being lost forever - for nothing. Many very brutally with much suffering.

Russian citizens should have the balls to stop this. It’s insane they’d rather let their countrymen eat bullets and bombs than stand up to Putin.
 
There is no such thing as a war crime. The so-called rules of war only exist so that we can claim moral superiority when it's convenient for us.

In a real war there are only 2 rules:
1) Break things and kill people by any means available
2) Continue doing the above until you're happy or one side is completely destroyed

Note that surrender isn't an option, you don't get that in a real war. Also note that there's no separation between civilians and combatants. Everyone is fair game and you live only if the other side lets you. This is why I don't consider anything happening in the Ukraine, Gaza, or elsewhere in the world to be a war crime. Those are real wars, they don't play by our so-called pussy-ass rules of war.
 
I believe killing soldiers after surrenders is a war crime. Not 100 % sure there though.

F1980 said:
there's no such thing as a crime in war.
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Release Radovan Karadžić immediately if that is the case.
 
F1980 said:
There's a heated debate on the internet about this video right now if this is a war crime or not

Obviously I cant post the video because its graphic

Basically a female russian soldier is seen by a Ukraine drone operator and she sees it and she starts begging for her life. Then the drone bombs her and loses half her body but she still alive trying to crawl away. Then the drone bombs her again and this time her head explodes and she's dead.

People are saying everything is fair in war that there's no such thing as a crime in war. Others are saying she didn't surrender and it's fair game.

What do you guys think? is this a war crime or business as usual?

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Is "munition" even a word?

What the fuck?

Is he trying to type ammunition? Just weird, seems fluent and correct grammar in everything else the person wrote... but munition? Sorry, I might be out of the loop, is this a thing?
 
Fine line, I suppose. If it were human enemy combatants that cornered her and she begged and surrendered before lighting her up, then yeah it would look bad. It was a single drone though. What's the operator supposed to do? Leave her alone so she can get back into the fight?

They don't say "War is Hell" for no reason.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
There are definitely things that qualify as war crimes. What would you call mass rape for example? Killing of children?
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Atrocities and they are crimes everywhere in the world. I wasn’t talking about what qualifies. Certainly on a moral level.

The point of what I was saying is that there is no binding international notion of what Is or isn’t a war crime.

It ultimately depends on who won and who wields the stick

For example, after German surrender in WW2 the Soviets committed what are classified as “atrocities” against POW’s and civilians but they were never considered “war crimes” though it’s no different than what German perps were ultimately executed, incarcerated or put on the run for.

US has had its moments too.

Imperial Japan skated on the vast majority of their atrocities in China and Korea despite suffering a resounding defeat. Mostly due to the muddy picture of what is a “war crime” or just wars hell.

ISIS mass murderers and rapists and enslavers of children have no hint of tribunals coming their way.

The Hague has been quite selective on who the “war criminals” are in the Israel-Gaza conflict based mostly on political preference and then we get into the “both sides are war criminals”. Ok..so it’s war.
 
Kingz said:
Atrocities and they are crimes everywhere in the world. I wasn’t talking about what qualifies. Certainly on a moral level.

The point of what I was saying is that there is no binding international notion of what Is or isn’t a war crime.

It ultimately depends on who won and who wields the stick

For example, after German surrender in WW2 the Soviets committed what are classified as “atrocities” against POW’s and civilians but they were never considered “war crimes” though it’s no different than what German perps were ultimately executed, incarcerated or put on the run for.

US has had its moments too.

Imperial Japan skated on the vast majority of their atrocities in China and Korea despite suffering a resounding defeat. Mostly due to the muddy picture of what is a “war crime” or just wars hell.

ISIS mass murderers and rapists and enslavers of children have no hint of tribunals coming their way.

The Hague has been quite selective on who the “war criminals” are in the Israel-Gaza conflict based mostly on political preference and then we get into the “both sides are war criminals”. Ok..so it’s war.
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Well the isis guys are mostly either still active or dead. Sure the victor decides what war crimes are but if you're going to commit what most people would consider to be atrocities then you'd better not lose.
 
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