International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[Ruthless Ryan]

Yes. Check my post above regarding Putin.

Putin demanded in June 2024 that Ukraine replace Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his government under the guise of "denazification," demilitarize, and cede significant swaths of territory in eastern and southern Ukraine to Russia, including areas of Ukraine that Russia does not currently occupy -- all effectively amounting to Ukraine's full capitulation.

What I think will happen is that Trump will ask Putin to stop the war and keep the territory he has currently acquired from Ukraine. He will guarantee Putin that Ukraine will not join NATO while he is President. Trump will ask Zelensky to stop the war and maintain its current territory. He will tell him that Ukraine will not join NATO while he is President. This with the promise of helping to rebuild Ukraine and help it maintain a strong Army. Zelensky will most likely remain in power until the people vote him out or he is assassinated. This conflict has been an overall loss for Ukraine after 3 years. All could have been avoided if Biden had not said a small Russian incursion into Ukraine would be okay (January 2022) and played a stronger hand against Putin. Same for the situation in the Middle East. What Biden says drives how our allies, partners, competitors, and enemies think about America in terms of its ability and reliability, be it as friend or foe. For its part, Russia has said for many years that Ukraine could never have NATO involvement. How large was the German male population after WWII? How large will the Ukrainian male population be after this conflict is over? Everything that could have gone wrong for Ukraine went wrong: No NATO membership. A war with Russia. A defeat to Russia. A country now damaged.

Like Sandis said, you are an official Russian mouth piece. UKR doesnt have to concede anything as even without US aid they can continue to defend themselves. Russia is fucked either way but you never seem to talk about the situation inside Russia.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Let me rephrase: he will give Putin whatever he wants if there's enough in it for himself. And I don't think that will be hard to accomplish, if it hasn't already. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a performative back and forth, but ultimately Trump would (and probably has) sell his soul to the devil if he thinks the price is right. I mean, for example, what's stopping the Putins of the world from just flooding money into Truth Social and literally buying what they want? The man had no values.

I think these negotiations will be near impossible. Putin cannot negotiate as he is insane at this point and will take no less then the 4 oblasts that they stole and is an official part of Russia according to him and not join Nato of course. UKR will not go for that of course and also want a security guarantee as Putin's word on paper is as good as toilet paper not to mention this is not the will of the UKR army and people.
Trump cant make UKR surrender as Nato and EU have been preparing for him.

 

[San Marino]

You keep saying this while refusing to ever acknowledge that the actual goal of Russia is, has been, and always will be completely destroying and absorbing the entire country lol

Absorbing the entire country? No. If that was the case, why not try another push from the North into Kiev? Would Ukraine have enough soldiers to defend an attack like that? No. I already posted what Putin's goal in Ukraine are twice. You, as always, seem to miss the good information.

 

[San Marino]

Like Sandis said, you are an official Russian mouth piece. UKR doesnt have to concede anything as even without US aid they can continue to defend themselves. Russia is fucked either way but you never seem to talk about the situation inside Russia.

You never seem to talk about the situation inside Ukraine. Ukraine can't defend themselves without US help. Period. Did you grow stupid overnight?
How exactly is Russia fucked if they have gone through this ordeal in the past and survived?
2 dead Russians for every 1 dead Ukrainian. That does not compare to 20 dead Russians/Soviets for every 1 dead American soldier in WWII.
Ukraine had a strong Army in 2022. That is no longer the case. No amount of money can replace dead soldiers.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Absorbing the entire country? No. If that was the case, why not try another push from the North into Kiev? Would Ukraine have enough soldiers to defend an attack like that? No. I already posted what Putin's goal in Ukraine are twice. You, as always, seem to miss the good information.

...because they got their asses kicked trying it the first time lol

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

...because they got their asses kicked trying it the first time lol

Oh no no no, It was just another good will gesture from Putler.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

You never seem to talk about the situation inside Ukraine. Ukraine can't defend themselves without US help. Period. Did you grow stupid overnight?
How exactly is Russia fucked if they have gone through this ordeal in the past and survived?
2 dead Russians for every 1 dead Ukrainian. That does not compare to 20 dead Russians/Soviets for every 1 dead American soldier in WWII.
Ukraine had a strong Army in 2022. That is no longer the case. No amount of money can replace dead soldiers.

You are really comparing this to WW2? You are a unique kind of stupid.

 

[ferrisjso]

Absorbing the entire country? No. If that was the case, why not try another push from the North into Kiev? Would Ukraine have enough soldiers to defend an attack like that? No. I already posted what Putin's goal in Ukraine are twice. You, as always, seem to miss the good information.

They are moving the goalposts so they can claim victory when Russia takes the Donbass. By saying Russia wanted to occupy the whole country they can claim Ukranian victory no matter what. Why measure success against the peace deal that was scrapped when they can just claim victory if the country keeps existing?

The only thing the Russians wanted but are unlikely to get is Kharkov city. But the Russians let the Ukranians keep Kharkov in the scrapped peace agreement anyway so its still not a net win for Ukraine because they could have kept it without losing a single human life.

 

[Limbo Pete]

They are moving the goalposts so they can claim victory when Russia takes the Donbass. By saying Russia wanted to occupy the whole country they can claim Ukranian victory no matter what. Why measure success against the peace deal that was scrapped when they can just claim victory if the country keeps existing?

The only thing the Russians wanted but are unlikely to get is Kharkov city. But the Russians let the Ukranians keep Kharkov in the scrapped peace agreement anyway so its still not a net win for Ukraine because they could have kept it without losing a single human life.

Goalpost mover accuses others of moving goalpost
Stay tuned for more!

 

[SandisLL]

In what kind of strong army in reality Ukraine had im january 2022 th?
Besides loud empty PR and talks.

Aviation.
Constant deMilitarization de facto and nice empty PR talks since 1992 th. They literally were obsolete and not near top 10 in europe.

Tanks.
Ukraine in 1992 th had more than 4200 main battle tanks.
In Kanuary
January 2022 th appeared that they does have lesser than 900 on paper in working condition and approx 50% without ERA package.

Air defense success 1992 - 2021 was beauty.
Just some from examples : in late 1990 ies they had scrapped 2000 MANPADS launchers...
In autumn 2021 th cryed that bad west doesn't sell them such stuff.
They allowed 625 S-125 launchers to accumulate spiders nets and rust instead to modernize these and to do upgrades.
They allowed rust to win approx 100 KUB launchers in peacetime instead to upgrade these...and to find some kind of replacement.

Definitely dreamland was " threat " for matushka or " very interesting " LoL for NATO.Jesus we had to watch dreamers 30 years in row before cinema in reality had started.

 

[AWilder]

Trump backtracks on pledge to end Ukraine war within day

Donald Trump will aim to end the war in Ukraine within 100 days of re-entering the White House, the president-elect's pick for special peace envoy has said, rather than the previous 24-hour timeline that had previously been set.

www.abc.net.au

PROMISES KEPT

 

[AWilder]

You are really comparing this to WW2? You are a unique kind of stupid.

It's a step up from starcraft. A baby step

 

[Strychnine]

 

[San Marino]

...because they got their asses kicked trying it the first time lol

Like Ukraine is getting its ass kicked right now? Did you really think those Russian troops were on their way to Kiev? Was that not to avert attention from the East front of Ukraine? Yeah, that whole NATO thing and Uncle Joe egging Puttin on really set off this conflict. Too bad you'll have to live with Trump for the next 4 years. All you stupid liberals thinking that Kamala Harris was going to become President. Now thinking that Ukraine is winning this conflict. You need to get in touch with reality.

 

[San Marino]

You are really comparing this to WW2? You are a unique kind of stupid.

Yeap, the kind of answer I would expect from someone who has no clue of military history.

 

[San Marino]

They are moving the goalposts so they can claim victory when Russia takes the Donbass. By saying Russia wanted to occupy the whole country they can claim Ukranian victory no matter what. Why measure success against the peace deal that was scrapped when they can just claim victory if the country keeps existing?

The only thing the Russians wanted but are unlikely to get is Kharkov city. But the Russians let the Ukrainians keep Kharkov in the scrapped peace agreement anyway so its still not a net win for Ukraine because they could have kept it without losing a single human life.

Good post.
Yeah, the idiots here think that Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason. Russia has nothing better to do. Like Ukraine did nothing to provoke this conflict.
The same mentality that thought Kamala Harris would become the next President of the United States.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Did you really think those Russian troops were on their way to Kiev?

Uh, yeah... because they were lol

Was that not to avert attention from the East front of Ukraine?

No, no it wasn't lmao

 

[San Marino]

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

...because they got their asses kicked trying it the first time lol

He seems to only see what he wants to see....

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Yeap, the kind of answer I would expect from someone who has no clue of military history.

Well let's have an avatar bet on how this ends, the last Russian shill I had a bet with he lost did change his avatar but has basically has been in hiding since his predictions like yours never came true. My next prediction is that Russia will not make it past June 1, the latest sanctions have basically crippled Russia's shit fleet tankers making Russia's oil industry a mess and that's of course the terminals that arnt on fire or being destroyed. They have a manpower shortage but at same time Putler is killing his own people at record rate before Trump get's into office.
non of that matters to you anyhow so let's have a bet i'll say Russia doesnt make it to June and if they do I'll put an avatar on of you choice for a year and vice versa if they are still invading past June 1?