International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[The_Renaissance]

I don't doubt it at all.

I've read up on NK and they're trapped in an information silo. No news gets in unless the Government approves it. The masses think that we in the U.S. are homeless and have to melt snow for water. When that one NK soldier made a break for the South and was wounded by the NK troops, in hospital the found that his intestines were riddled with parasitic worms. That comes from using human feces as fertilizer for crops.





This one defector said that he didn't believe that Kim Jong IL ever used the bathroom because he was always told that he was Godlike.

People's mental gymastics are wild.

If this was true, why would the U.S be an existential threat to your country? Why would you need to be constantly prepping for nuclear war with a country like this? It would be on par with Brits being paranoid about being attacked by someone like Burundi.

 

[Bagatur]

That is not true. Results of a referendum held before dismantling the USSR were that majority of the people were in favor of preservation of the Union. Elites decided to dismantle it instead.
About the small republics - well, they cannot forgive us for bringing them out of the medieval state and into the modern world and spit bile towards former USSR and modern Russia any time they can, especially Finland and the Baltic states. But now that the USSR is gone, Latvia and Lithuania, who had the best living conditions out of all of the Soviet block, are rapidly dying out, ironic.

LOL says something is not true, follows up with a bunch of lies.
I am pretty sure you're referring to the referendum held on March 17th 1991, because it was the only referendum Soviet Union ever held (not surprising, seeing how commies love to hear the voice of people). The referendum was NOT about the preservation of the Union as it was, but rather a new version of the Union as a federation of equal sovereign states. Yes, the majority voted in favor, because it promised them the sovereignty of their republics, de facto independence from communist rule in Moscow. Well, the communist elites wouldnt have it, so they attempted a coup in August trying to seize the power back. It failed and sealed the fate of the USSR, which was dissolved in December.
Many republics also held their own referendums on independence in 1991. I remember the one in Ukraine, although I was too young to vote. It was overwhelmingly in support of independence, over 90%.

 

[Cid]

 

[SandisLL]

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That is not true. Results of a referendum held before dismantling the USSR were that majority of the people were in favor of preservation of the Union. Elites decided to dismantle it instead.
About the small republics - well, they cannot forgive us for bringing them out of the medieval state and into the modern world and spit bile towards former USSR and modern Russia any time they can, especially Finland and the Baltic states. But now that the USSR is gone, Latvia and Lithuania, who had the best living conditions out of all of the Soviet block, are rapidly dying out, ironic.

Best living conditions in USSR era had ....Crimea after 1945 th...
It was something like Vegas and Canary icelands for USSR rich and upper middle class...
Crimea had a lot of military installations and huge funding cos this and was Mecca for USSR tourists to get there....

In Crimea if you had worked in proper place, even as waiter you might had easy to get salary plus not rarely also premials and overtime well paid + on top of this 2nd salary as tips easy peasy.
If you had opted additionally to earn something from real black market options...then in top of this 3 rd or even 4 th salary additionally.
Also a lot of opportunties even to get 2 legal jobs and to work in these with a glance...

I do know ppl who had lived in Crimea in USSR times... in person not just cos some internet...
I even had been in Crimea ...in Ukr era...before this war ofc..

After 1992 th rich and upper middle class in former USSR, incl both Ykr and Ruzzia ...had prefered to choice Cyprus, Turkey, Greece, Switzerland, Israel, Italy, Spain, Monaco etc...for sanatoriums and parties, entertainment and pleasure....
Crimea from pearl and dream had turned into poverty hole with low salaries and huge prices....


You are rude and spreading Kremlin's propaganda because this is your job to be done here....

 

[ssBaldy]

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Best living conditions in USSR era had ....Crimea after 1945 th...
It was something like Vegas and Canary icelands for USSR rich and upper middle class...
Crimea had a lot of military installations and huge funding cos this and was Mecca for USSR tourists to get there....

In Crimea if you had worked in proper place, even as waiter you might had easy to get salary plus not rarely also premials and overtime well paid + on top of this 2nd salary as tips easy peasy.
If you had opted additionally to earn something from real black market options...then in top of this 3 rd or even 4 th salary additionally.
Also a lot of opportunties even to get 2 legal jobs and to work in these with a glance...

I do know ppl who had lived in Crimea in USSR times... in person not just cos some internet...
I even had been in Crimea ...in Ukr era...before this war ofc..

After 1992 th rich and upper middle class in former USSR, incl both Ykr and Ruzzia ...had prefered to choice Cyprus, Turkey, Greece, Switzerland, Israel, Italy, Spain, Monaco etc...for sanatoriums and parties, entertainment and pleasure....
Crimea from pearl and dream had turned into poverty hole with low salaries and huge prices....


You are rude and spreading Kremlin's propaganda because this is your job to be done here....

Do you assume anyone not agreeing with you on political matters is a propaganda bot? You think I had a forewarning and registered here in 2016 to defend Putin's war that would start 6 years after?
Also where am I rude? Where did I insult you?

Crimea was indeed a #1 tourist spot in the USSR, there is no arguing about that. It still is for military and other people who cannot or are unwilling to go abroad. However if you did not work in the service industry or didnt have a funny extra gig you lived average, just with slightly better weather.

 

[SandisLL]

At first USSR de facto didn't had been in some kind according to russian propagandists according to them disolved by some referendums.
Supreme Lawmaker instition in Russian Federation had voted to declare independence from USSR...so all crying idiots calling others as idiots here should blame supreme lawmaker institution in Russian Federation.

Ofc we who do have at least some peaces of brain cells do know reality that this was done in order for russia to get rid of overprinted USSR roubles and hyperinflation burden in order to kick out financial problems. In 1989 th box of statey matches usually had retail sale price 0.02 rouble. In 1992 th 2.00 roubles.

Ofc also attempt to create CIS as replacement for USSR and in order to demand to pay $ instead of roubles for natural gas, crude oil, lubricants and fuel oil, kerosene, propane, butane, diluents, fertilizers etc supplies with phrase money on the table ASAP or contracts with " beautiful " clauses.

 

[SandisLL]

BTW when in 2010 th Ukr and Russia had signed rent payments agreement for Russian naval base in Sevastopol pro russian oriented Ukr president had begged for more discounts for natural gas supplies.
Putin told that he can't increase discounts because Ukraine is sovergein country and Crimea is...Ukraine..
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Pofig what stuff they will tell or sign. It is lesser worth than used toilet paper.

 

[SandisLL]

Do you assume anyone not agreeing with you on political matters is a propaganda bot? You think I had a forewarning and registered here in 2016 to defend Putin's war that would start 6 years after?
Also where am I rude? Where did I insult you?

Crimea was indeed a #1 tourist spot in the USSR, there is no arguing about that. It still is for military and other people who cannot or are unwilling to go abroad. However if you did not work in the service industry or didnt have a funny extra gig you lived average, just with slightly better weather.

Crimea was not only for USSR tourists.
Since Nikita took office he had allowed ppl form Warshaw block to visit Crimea as tourists etc. Ofc for each case each tourist had to get ...permit from KGB...KGB did research about each candidate before signed permits ...
For elite from Romania and Bulgaria ofc it wasn't so lucrative cos they had beaches and good climate for tourism.
While for special ppl from East Germany, Chechoslovakia, Hungary it was enough lucrative. Their number wasn't high but they had a lot of money to spend in Crimea....
Ofc course a lot of areas weren't allowed to visit for tourists and actually even for locals without special permits....

 

[SandisLL]

Crimea was indeed a #1 tourist spot in the USSR, there is no arguing about that. It still is for military and other people who cannot or are unwilling to go abroad. However if you did not work in the service industry or didnt have a funny extra gig you lived average, just with slightly better weather.

Partially I agree while....there were also sanatoriums etc stuff.
Plus for ppl unemployment was not problem, anyway it was very easy to find job quickly and to get even not just 160 but even 200 or 240 hours to work for one month.

Additional business might had been underground market and to rent some rooms... if you had..even till reality that if you had apartment with 2 rooms you might easy to find tenent for 1 room and to get cash on the table...

Literally best places in USSR 1960-1991 were Crimea. MOSCOW and St Pete ...in such order...

 

[ssBaldy]

Partially I agree while....there were also sanatoriums etc stuff.
Plus for ppl unemployment was not problem, anyway it was very easy to find job quickly and to get even not just 160 but even 200 or 240 hours to work for one month.

Additional business might had been underground market and to rent some rooms... if you had..even till reality that if you had apartment with 2 rooms you might easy to find tenent for 1 room and to get cash on the table...

Literally best places in USSR 1960-1991 were Crimea. MOSCOW and St Pete ...in such order..

If you had it in you to have some sort of a side hustle it was a lot easier to do in Crimea than in the middle of Siberia, and there were many ways to live at least better than average, nothing to disagree with here.

 

[SandisLL]

If you had it in you to have some sort of a side hustle it was a lot easier to do in Crimea than in the middle of Siberia, and there were many ways to live at least better than average, nothing to disagree with here.

If about Siberia it depended from job and area etc. On paper and in cash in some cases might be earned relatively normally...while where to spend this...

I know some ppl, for example one lady, her father had worked as specialist for geology expeditions in areas like Yakutia and Chukotka.
Very harsh conditions and dangerous job...for life..a lot of specialists had died.
However yes, for USSR criteria good salary and generous premials etc stuff.

While still more comfortable was to have some lucrative job in Crimea and to earn additionally with tips and so called black market on top of this. Plus if for top of this you had opportunity to rent some room.

This gentleman later had switched from geology research parties to drilling parties for mining imdustry cos this was more comfortable for health.
Approx 1970- 1988 th...USSR.
Later even this was too much for him and he relocated and switched job...

 

[ssBaldy]

If about Siberia it depended from job and area etc. On paper and in cash in some cases might be earned relatively normally...while where to spend this...

I know some ppl, for example one lady, her father had worked as specialist for geology expeditions in areas like Yakutia and Chukotka.
Very harsh conditions and dangerous job...for life..a lot of specialists had died.
However yes, for USSR criteria good salary and generous premials etc stuff.

While still more comfortable was to have some lucrative job in Crimea and to earn additionally with tips and so called black market on top of this. Plus if for top of this you had opportunity to rent some room.

This gentleman later had switched from geology research parties to drilling parties for mining imdustry cos this was more comfortable for health.
Approx 1970- 1988 th...USSR.
Later even this was too much for him and he relocated and switched job...

Yes, they had a "northern multiplier" for harsh northern regions and another one for difficult or hazardous jobs. The multiplier still exists for government- funded jobs today.
The problem for most after 1960's was not getting the money but inability to spend them well and at any moment. For example, my father easilly accumulated the money to buy a car but had to queue for it for a very long time, thanks, planned economy.

 

[SandisLL]

Yes, they had a "northern multiplier" for harsh northern regions and another one for difficult or hazardous jobs. The multiplier still exists for government- funded jobs today.
The problem for most after 1960's was not getting the money but inability to spend them well and at any moment. For example, my father easilly accumulated the money to buy a car but had to queue for it for a very long time, thanks, planned economy.

This does exists also for private companies ...cos these jobs are with real risks to damage health or even to die...or even disappear...easily.
On top of this living conditions not comparable with some poor room somewhere in Leningrad or Moscow. You do have real not a fake risks to die...even when you are not in shift....and good if body will get found.

For example in some areas when very bad weather between buildings are installed ropes... even if it is supposed that you might do such distance in 3 or 5 minutes. Some guys comes after hour, some had get found after 24 hours or later. Cold.

This one gentleman had told that once they had small caravan and ...one from these special purpose trucks had disappeared. They had found this truck and guys bodies after 7 weeeks...

On top of this low opportunities for comfortable entertainment etc.
It isn't like to work in something like Vkusno i thocka in Moscow or St Pete....

So ofc to get worforce with some education and experience for such harsh conditions and dangerous tasks ...more should be paid... supply/ demand rule.

 

[ssBaldy]

This does exists also for private companies ...cos these jobs are with real risks to damage health or even to die...or even disappear...easily.
On top of this living conditions not comparable with some poor room somewhere in Leningrad or Moscow. You do have real not a fake risks to die...even when you are not in shift....and good if body will get found.

For example in some areas when very bad weather between buildings are installed ropes... even if it is supposed that you might do such distance in 3 or 5 minutes. Some guys comes after hour, some had get found after 24 hours or later. Cold.

This one gentleman had told that once they had small caravan and ...one from these special purpose trucks had disappeared. They had found this truck and guys bodies after 7 weeeks...

On top of this low opportunities for comfortable entertainment etc.
It isn't like to work in something like Vkusno i thocka in Moscow or St Pete....

So ofc to get worforce with some education and experience for such harsh conditions and dangerous tasks ...more should be paid... supply/ demand rule.

Indeed. But I do not know whether private companies also use a fixed multiplyer or simply offer better wages/bonuses there. I know for sure it exists for govt jobs.
My granddad and grandma both worked in Kamchatka in similar conditions to what you describe after they finished their higher education. Some regions are really rough.

 

[filthybliss]

That is not true. Results of a referendum held before dismantling the USSR were that majority of the people were in favor of preservation of the Union. Elites decided to dismantle it instead.
About the small republics - well, they cannot forgive us for bringing them out of the medieval state and into the modern world and spit bile towards former USSR and modern Russia any time they can, especially Finland and the Baltic states. But now that the USSR is gone, Latvia and Lithuania, who had the best living conditions out of all of the Soviet block, are rapidly dying out, ironic.

Ask Ashkenazi Jews, Armenians, Chechens or Poles living through that period how they feel about the Soviet Union. You’ll get a drastically different response.

I understand that Russia sees all the ex-soviet countries around it as part of their own kinda like a dad would. But they feel very different about it. Hence, why they keep jumping the NATO ship on their own will.

 

[filthybliss]

Ukraine has a long history of antisemitism. It has not been forgotten.

It can’t be that antisemetic anymore considering that they have a Jewish Leader that doesn’t say things like “They’re tearing the church apart but they’re not even atheists,” and “These are people without any beliefs, godless people, they’re ethnic Jews, but has anyone seen them in a synagogue? I don’t think so.”

Trotsky is rolling in his grave right now…

 

[pugilistico]

There must be a huge language barrier too, so how the fuck do they effectively communicate?

My guess is that they don't, which is why NK troops are just walking towards the Ukrainians through an open field with no support.. It's comical and sad at the same time. Poor kids just thrown into a meat grinder.

I always thought South Korea could handle a North Korean invasion due to the huge difference in military tech and tactical knowledge through training with the US, and this only confirms it.

 

[filthybliss]

Russian propaganda is designed for lazy idiots and 99% russians are lazy idiots living in dreams, doesn't matter where they are located and what kind of papers they does have.

Damn, this seems a bit overkill. Russians have spoken out against this like Gary Kasparov and a handful I know irl have too….Even in Russia, Protestors are shoved into prison for speaking up against Putin…

Furthermore, there are some Russians that are fighting in Eastern Ukraine too in order to resist the illegal occupation of their own country….

Vladislav Yurchenko, an anarchist from Russia who stood up in defense of the peoples of Ukraine, has died in battle

The Death of Vladislav Yurchenko

On 9 August 2024, Siberian Battalion soldiers took part with other units in an amphibious assault on the Kinburn Spit, which is occupied by Russian troops. Yurchenko was wounded in the battle. His …

therussianreader.com

So the Russians that disavow of this deserve all the love and respect in the world. Especially, when there are incels residing in the west that deepthroat Putin’s propaganda out of spite because of mental shortcomings/insecurities of their own.

 

[SandisLL]

Damn, this seems a bit overkill. Russians have spoken out against this like Gary Kasparov and a handful I know irl have too….Even in Russia, Protestors are shoved into prison for speaking up against Putin…

Furthermore, there are some Russians that are fighting in Eastern Ukraine too in order to resist the illegal occupation of their own country….

Vladislav Yurchenko, an anarchist from Russia who stood up in defense of the peoples of Ukraine, has died in battle

The Death of Vladislav Yurchenko

On 9 August 2024, Siberian Battalion soldiers took part with other units in an amphibious assault on the Kinburn Spit, which is occupied by Russian troops. Yurchenko was wounded in the battle. His …

therussianreader.com

So the Russians that disavow of this deserve all the love and respect in the world. Especially, when there are incels residing in the west that deepthroat Putin’s propaganda out of spite because of mental shortcomings/insecurities of their own.

I ofc don't think that all russians are dumb. However they in russia during 100+ years had get that safety maybe might be is they will STFU or relocate. Otherwise at least career and business will be ruined..of windows therapy. So if mouth open, better to relocate....from russia.

Mainstream trend under Nicolas II was that best citizens are orthodox christians under Moscow archi bishop and ethalon was to sing that Tzar is blessed by God etc...
Otherwise you are susoicious with all possible outcomes. Ofc better was if you were from feodal class...like if your parents had feodal tittle...barons, dukes etc alike.

Under communism was different trend: better if your parents didn't had property and were working class ppl and you...better atheist and member of communist party...ofc with member fees too..they had...

For this purpose even had been introduced polytinformation as subject in schools and trade schools + in Unis mandatory subjects were scientific atheism, marxism and leninism...they were mandatory subjects in all unis programs.
Ofc also civil defense and basic military training for male students day department fulltime students....

USSR didn't had doctrine to conscript females for frontline even in case of total war like WW2...

While doctrine had also so called civil service and for essential work tasks behind frontline also females might had been ordered ....for example to do job in ammo factories, hospitals etc...also power plants and so on.

With exception that medics females had been listed for case if mobilisation. They even had document vojennaj knizhka and in case of war they might had been sent to military hospitals...incl field hospitals, ambulances etc...

 

[SandisLL]

For exmple vojennaja knizka for medics in 1970 was document where had been listed military rank, mentioned is person party member or isn't or is komsomol member...then speciality and size of clothing...something likely usable easier to issue quickly some kind of clothing / uniform and gas mask....