International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

Defence ministry is going through a "cleansing" right now

3 generals charged with corruption and still investigations going so more heads likely will fall
If anti terrorism special small operation will be done by KGB director, you might except generous funding and demands to provide fast results.
Mr. Putin is former KGB ( FSB) director.
 
You’re trying to shotgun a lot here. It’s not that I don’t value the individual. What you’re suggesting is not practical. Like I already said, outside of some weirdos no one actually wants to go fight a war, so relying on volunteers to man your defense is really just taking advantage of the less selfish segment of society. Yeah I am not cool with that.

I didn't suggest anything mate. My only point was disputing that no unwilling men have and are dying for ukraine. That was all
I don’t know what vote you’re getting at here. They voted for their representatives and they voted on their laws that were in place before the war began. Even by the polling data you shared, as of 2023 a strong majority wanted to keep fighting.

my point was there was no vote regarding the war. Its actually halted scheduled voting and removed political opposition. ( not saying its right or wrong. Its just the fact )
I don’t want to dig too much into this poll but all I have to go on is what you shared. I would point to the fact that all it says is “are ready for peace talks”. That is obviously vague and does not mean they are willing to make peace on any terms Russia finds acceptable.

fair point. And like all polls who knows who they polled or the numbers. I couldn't find those details
If the populace was truly opposed to Kyiv continuing to defend itself, I feel like we would see a lot of big protests. To my knowledge the only protesting I’ve seen was against the draft itself.
I think there's a extremely valid reasons
why there's not much vocal resistance ....



They arrest pacifists for asking for peace .... let alone you have Russian connections or sympathy.

Try Organise a protest? Say hello to jail. You'll get there without organising it though.



The amendment includes in the definition of collaboration such activities performed by a Ukrainian citizen as public denial of the existence of armed aggression against Ukraine and of the temporary occupation of part of its territory; public calls for support of decisions and actions of the aggressor state; cooperation with the aggressor state, its armed formations, or its occupation administration; and the refusal to recognize Ukraine’s state sovereignty over the temporarily occupied territories.

These acts are punishable by deprivation of the right to hold certain positions or engage in certain activities, and restriction of freedom (such as in house arrest) for 10–15 years, with or without confiscation of property.

Other amendments introduced by this law provide for criminal liability for the dissemination of the aggressor state’s propaganda in educational institutions and the implementation of actions aimed at promoting the aggressor state’s academic agenda (such as through history textbooks used in schools and research focused on foreign and security policies at academic institutions). The penalties for such offenses range from correctional labor for up to two years or restriction of freedom for up to six months to imprisonment for up to three years, with deprivation of the right to hold certain positions or engage in certain activities for a period of 10–15 years.

Under these amendments, it is unlawful to organize and conduct political events or take part in any information activities against Ukraine in cooperation with the aggressor state. These activities may include rallies, marches, demonstrations, conferences, and round tables. The prescribed punishment for violating these norms is the restriction of freedom for 10–12 years, with or without confiscation of property, and deprivation of the right to hold certain positions or engage in certain activities for a period of 10–15 years
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There's no freedom to protest at all so it's not that surprising to see no protests out on the street's . [ not saying thats right or wrong ]

You wanna guess what my opinion is of the people that want to wage war but not be sent out to fight it is?
Oh I think i know yours . Id assume its pretty much on par with the same disdain I have for all the instigators of these wars who have no skin in the game other than financial. with no risk themselves . I'd hope a bit less though honestly.

( Cowards and low value individuals )

Russia is the instigator. Im not attacking Ukraine for its conscription, nor how it's waging this war. Was only saying that this idea that no Ukrainian men have fought and died against their will to not be the reality.
 
Ukrainian forces need to be careful, they're spilling into a lot of different small salients because they're avoiding the hardpoints of resistance along the Russian front. This isn't a bad idea in principle, but overeager detachments can outrun logistics and get themselves captured.

I think the end goal is still the same, retreat with a majority of the force intact, and redeploy.
 
Ukrainian forces need to be careful, they're spilling into a lot of different small salients because they're avoiding the hardpoints of resistance along the Russian front. This isn't a bad idea in principle, but overeager detachments can outrun logistics and get themselves captured.

I think the end goal is still the same, retreat with a majority of the force intact, and redeploy.

It doesn't sound good for me to say it from the couch, but fighters subscribe to death the moment they go to war. If you end up alive at the end it's a bonus.



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Ukraine can't win this war. Even if it has exposed Russia somewhat as a paper tiger on a global scale, Russia is still a regional powerhouse with more manpower and resources. And even if by some miracle Ukraine won, the country will be destroyed, economically fucked and in massive debt to the West, will be basically unlivable from a standard of living point of view and will always have to worry about the next invasion.

This war was fought for the West. Men were sent to die against their wills as bodies for the West to dispose. Zelensky is more than happy to serve as their puppet. Despite being fighting age, he and his family won't see combat. And he'll keep every penny of his hundred or so million dollars while his people die brutally in a ditch for no apparent reason
The whole point of the US, the EU, and every other Democracy that's helping them is to make sure there isn't a next time. It has to be made clear to Putin that he can't just annex land without there being any consequences. And it's good for other countries like China that would do the same to take note.
 
Another rybar update:

Ukrainian Armed Forces units are carrying out attacks in several areas of the Kursk direction at once with the support of armored vehicles, trying to dislodge the Russian Armed Forces from their positions. Russian troops are pinning down the Ukrainian Armed Forces and striking at enemy armored concentrations, while reinforcements are arriving in the Kursk region.

🔻In the Korenevsky district, fighting is underway in the Snagosti area, which was previously cleared by Russian Armed Forces units. The situation in the Korenevo-Tolpinsky area remains stably tense: artillery is striking enemy positions, trying to ease the pressure on Russian units. According to some information, by evening the Ukrainian Armed Forces began another attack on Russian positions on the approaches to Korenevo.

▪️The situation in the area of the settlements of Obshchy Kolodez and Kauchuk is currently hidden by the "fog of war". There were no reports of the Ukrainian Armed Forces units entering these settlements, which allows us to talk about their control by the Russian Armed Forces.

🔻In the Sudzhansky district, Ukrainian formations are also attempting to expand the penetration, as before, using mobile armored groups. In Sudzha, as a result of a fire, the building of the Sudzhansky Agricultural College was seriously damaged. There are currently no reports that allow us to clearly confirm control over Martynovka by either side.

▪️By evening, footage appeared that allows us to talk about the confident control of Ukrainian formations over Plekhovo - if earlier only enemy armored vehicles were recorded in this area, then the video that surfaced on the Internet shows the presence of its infantry units on the central street of the settlement.

🔻In the Belovsky district, the outskirts of Gir'ya and Ozerki are being cleared, where an armored group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was routed yesterday. Confident control over the outskirts of populated areas is confirmed by a report from one of the Russian media, filmed at the site of yesterday's battle.
 

The UK has denied Ukraine permission to use Storm Shadow missiles in its Kursk offensive, despite President Zelenskyy's requests for long-range missile strikes deep into Russia.​



The West still hamstringing Ukraine.

Posting on X, formerly Twitter, Mr Zelensky shared a photograph of himself and Sir Keir, with the caption: “This morning, I learnt about the permission to use Storm Shadow missiles against military targets in Russian territory. Today, we had the opportunity to discuss the practical implementation of this decision.”

Sources confirmed the missile has not been used this year and stressed that Mr Zelensky would have to “seek assurances elsewhere” before Ukraine could fire the cruise missiles into Russian territory.

They added that these assurances were not a done deal.

A senior defence source said the situation was “more nuanced” than Ukraine’s president had suggested.

They added that permission to launch the strategic missile into Russia would require a sign off from three countries, one of which is the United Kingdom. France manufactures the Storm Shadow alongside the UK.

“It’s not going to happen,” the source added when asked if Ukraine will fire Storm Shadow into Russia.
 

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it appears russians are bring back Grom
 

Lessons from Ukraine's Failed Counteroffensive: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly​

 
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The UK has denied Ukraine permission to use Storm Shadow missiles in its Kursk offensive, despite President Zelenskyy's requests for long-range missile strikes deep into Russia.​



The West still hamstringing Ukraine.

Posting on X, formerly Twitter, Mr Zelensky shared a photograph of himself and Sir Keir, with the caption: “This morning, I learnt about the permission to use Storm Shadow missiles against military targets in Russian territory. Today, we had the opportunity to discuss the practical implementation of this decision.”

Sources confirmed the missile has not been used this year and stressed that Mr Zelensky would have to “seek assurances elsewhere” before Ukraine could fire the cruise missiles into Russian territory.

They added that these assurances were not a done deal.

A senior defence source said the situation was “more nuanced” than Ukraine’s president had suggested.

They added that permission to launch the strategic missile into Russia would require a sign off from three countries, one of which is the United Kingdom. France manufactures the Storm Shadow alongside the UK.

“It’s not going to happen,” the source added when asked if Ukraine will fire Storm Shadow into Russia.

Yea iv been wondering whats up with this

Either someone is retarded or there is something else going on higher levels
 


"I watched this a couple months ago when it was released on Paramount. So glad I can now share it here on YouTube! People need to see this and people need to remember how this all started."

Side note just found out Sean Penn dating a former Ukrainian/Russian model she dropped her Russian citizenship "Olga Korotyayeva".

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