International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[filthybliss]

The problem with clowns like you is that you most likely never owned a business and have zero understanding of economics.

It's not sending weapons we won't use that causes inflation to rise you imbecile. The weapons allow for the war to go on for longer with the same result. If the war goes on and the result is the same then more people die, energy prices remain high and inflation continues to rise.

How do energy prices go up if we send artillery that we were going to trash anyways.....This is just as empty as your Soros claim.

I saw that you reacted to my comment with about Ukranian women getting raped by Russian Solidiers with a laughing emoji....Pretty digusting, pretty much certifies that you are complete piece of shit.....that is just backtracking to justify their strange hatred towards an entire country of people.....

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

How do energy prices go up if we send artillery that we were going to trash anyways.....This is just as empty as your Soros claim.

I saw that you reacted to my comment with about Ukranian women getting raped by Russian Solidiers with a laughing emoji....Pretty digusting, pretty much certifies that you are complete piece of shit.....that is just backtracking to justify their strange hatred towards an entire country of people.....

You're literally a retard lol

Prolonged war with Russia= sanctions on Russia are prolonged

Sanctions on a country that supplies 1/3 of the world's energy means that Europe must continue to pay a 40% premium for the same energy by buying it from a third party (China or India)

This trickles down into their manufacturing and production costs. This means that food , rent, insurance and cost of doing business increases and quality of life DECREASES.

This isn't sustainable if the country you're fighting runs a model of cheaper military production. Russia can do this for another 10 years. The west can't without becoming Venezuela.

Jesus imagine having to explain this

 

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[Osculater]

russia literally sending tiktok girls to the front lines...

Damn!!!! That fvcking sucks

 

[Osculater]

this would be @Ludwig von Mises in combat, trying to get his friends killed to save his own skin. coward.

Fvck that's fvcking brutal

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Man, you're really taking a beating. You look like a complete moron.

You two bots are not fooling anyone and are basically saying same couple lines over and over...cope harder that Russia is going to shit...

 

[filthybliss]

Man, you're really taking a beating. You look like a complete moron.

yeah man, reading your messages on this forum truly fries my brain. your stupidity is contagious.

 

[Copper Burner]

yeah man, reading your messages on this forum truly fries my brain. your stupidity is contagious.

So you admit that you're stupid. Well, that's a start.

The next step is to shut up and listen. You might learn something.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

yeah man, reading your messages on this forum truly fries my brain. your stupidity is contagious.

Way to duck my verified Soros claims. Lousy chump.

 

[Copper Burner]

You two bots are not fooling anyone and are basically saying same couple lines over and over...cope harder that Russia is going to shit...

What are lines to you are facts to intelligent people.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

So Americans who think that America/ CIA shouldn't be involved Ukraine and Russia makes them Russian propagandists? Good to know. Sounds reasonable.

You are projecting. Russia has been meddling in Ukraine for decades. Russia sent their soldiers without insignia like common criminals to annex Crimea in 2014. Russia further sent their agents and supplied locals willing to fight for money in Donbas. So in your mind it's reasonable for Russia to invade a sovereign nation yet it's unreasonable for world democracies to support Ukraine?

The problem with clowns like you is that you most likely never owned a business and have zero understanding of economics.

It's not sending weapons we won't use that causes inflation to rise you imbecile. The weapons allow for the war to go on for longer with the same result. If the war goes on and the result is the same then more people die, energy prices remain high and inflation continues to rise. To lower inflation banks must raise interest rates. This means the cost of borrowing increases which makes an economy less productive. Less building, less development and less jobs.

Under such conditions the cost of living, food, logistics, insurance, doing business and manufacturing continue to rise. We can not afford this or sustain this especially when the country Ukraine is fighting is more efficient and productive with their military manufacturing.

This is why Ukraine is an inflation vehicle and Russia will gladly do this for another 10 years. This is how economies collapse.

Keep up little guy.

You are not wrong about some aspects of inflation. Yes wars increase prices of goods and affect supply chains. However have you considered who would have an easier time to cope with such inflation and supply chain strains? Would it be combined economies of 85 trillion or would it be Russia with prewar economy smaller than Italy's(2 trillion as of 2022)?

Have you considered how Russia is affected by attacks on its oil refineries? What has that done to Russian energy prices?

Russia inflation has averaged between 7-14% and is about 8.5% now. Compare this with US which now has a stable inflation of about 3%(down from ~8%).

You're literally a retard lol

Prolonged war with Russia= sanctions on Russia are prolonged

Sanctions on a country that supplies 1/3 of the world's energy means that Europe must continue to pay a 40% premium for the same energy by buying it from a third party (China or India)

This trickles down into their manufacturing and production costs. This means that food , rent, insurance and cost of doing business increases and quality of life DECREASES.

This isn't sustainable if the country you're fighting runs a model of cheaper military production. Russia can do this for another 10 years. The west can't without becoming Venezuela.

Jesus imagine having to explain this

This is not true. Even Chinese think tanks are giving Russia about 18 months. Even most optimistic Russian economist would not in good conscience claim that Russia could sustain this for a decade.

Russia supplied about 14% of world energy. Russia exported 40% of gas to EU.

Energy Fact Sheet: Why does Russian oil and gas matter? – Analysis - IEA

Energy Fact Sheet: Why does Russian oil and gas matter? - Analysis and findings. An article by the International Energy Agency.

www.iea.org

Energy in Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

You are projecting. Russia has been meddling in Ukraine for decades. Russia sent their soldiers without insignia like common criminals to annex Crimea in 2014. Russia further sent their agents and supplied locals willing to fight for money in Donbas. So in your mind it's reasonable for Russia to invade a sovereign nation yet it's unreasonable for world democracies to support Ukraine?


You are not wrong about some aspects of inflation. Yes wars increase prices of goods and affect supply chains. However have you considered who would have an easier time to cope with such inflation and supply chain strains? Would it be combined economies of 85 trillion or would it be Russia with prewar economy smaller than Italy's(2 trillion as of 2022)?

Have you considered how Russia is affected by attacks on its oil refineries? What has that done to Russian energy prices?

Russia inflation has averaged between 7-14% and is about 8.5% now. Compare this with US which now has a stable inflation of about 3%(down from ~8%).

This is not true. Even Chinese think tanks are giving Russia about 18 months. Even most optimistic Russian economist would not in good conscience claim that Russia could sustain this for a decade.

Russia supplied about 14% of world energy. Russia exported 40% of gas to EU.

Energy Fact Sheet: Why does Russian oil and gas matter? – Analysis - IEA

Energy Fact Sheet: Why does Russian oil and gas matter? - Analysis and findings. An article by the International Energy Agency.

www.iea.org

Energy in Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Russia took Crimea months after the CIA coup Maidan revolution where Victoria Nuland was walking around and giving out cookies as Secret service snipers were killing protestors to rile people up and increase tension.

Anyone who thinks that was an organic "revolution" needs to do some research. It's no coincidence Russia annexed Crimea months later. It was a classic eye for an eye geopolitical chess move.

The funniest part about that was that the Russians annexed Crimea without a single shot fired. Why? Because they were welcomed there by the majority of the population.

Do you think Russia could take Kiev without a shot fired? No chance because theyre simply not welcome there.

As far as how much longer Russia can keep doing this for I would wager they can do this for YEARS. They have more manpower, they have cheap energy and resources which allows them to produce and manufacture military equipment faster, at a higher rate for cheaper - which means they most definitely can out last Ukraine who doesn't produce or manufacture anything and has to go around begging for weapons. The average military age is now 43 years old. This is unsustainable.

Obviously if NATO gets involved and we put our boots on the ground over there things will be different but there is no doubt that Russia will out last Ukraine at this rate.

Lastly if Russia and Italy had a contest of who could produce more tanks, planes, helicotpers, artillery systems and rocket systems and artillery shells who do you think would win?

Clearly the western metric for GDP doesn't tell the whole story about who can out produce who in a WAR ECONOMY which is what they're trying to turn Europe into but at a 40% premium on energy costs. Unsustainable and irresponsible.

 

[Copper Burner]

You are projecting. Russia has been meddling in Ukraine for decades. Russia sent their soldiers without insignia like common criminals to annex Crimea in 2014. Russia further sent their agents and supplied locals willing to fight for money in Donbas. So in your mind it's reasonable for Russia to invade a sovereign nation yet it's unreasonable for world democracies to support Ukraine?


You are not wrong about some aspects of inflation. Yes wars increase prices of goods and affect supply chains. However have you considered who would have an easier time to cope with such inflation and supply chain strains? Would it be combined economies of 85 trillion or would it be Russia with prewar economy smaller than Italy's(2 trillion as of 2022)?

Have you considered how Russia is affected by attacks on its oil refineries? What has that done to Russian energy prices?

Russia inflation has averaged between 7-14% and is about 8.5% now. Compare this with US which now has a stable inflation of about 3%(down from ~8%).

This is not true. Even Chinese think tanks are giving Russia about 18 months. Even most optimistic Russian economist would not in good conscience claim that Russia could sustain this for a decade.

Russia supplied about 14% of world energy. Russia exported 40% of gas to EU.

Energy Fact Sheet: Why does Russian oil and gas matter? – Analysis - IEA

Energy Fact Sheet: Why does Russian oil and gas matter? - Analysis and findings. An article by the International Energy Agency.

www.iea.org

Energy in Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You're leaving out a major fact. The west backed a coup in 2014 which removed the democratically elected president of Ukraine. A pro western puppet president was then put into power. Russia knew what was coming so they immediately annexed Crimea. In other words, the west started this war.

Imagine Texas seceded from United States. They become their own country and elect a president. The KGB comes over to Texas, orchestrating a coup to remove Texas president, and install their own guy. Then Russia starts bringing in their militay equipment and builds it up on united states border. Oh, they also build 10 of their special biolabs in Texas. That wouldn't provoke the United States would it? They would have to respect Texas sovereignty and couldn't do anything about it right?

Get your facts straight bozo.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Russia took Crimea months after the CIA coup Maidan revolution where Victoria Nuland was walking around and giving out cookies as Secret service snipers will killing protestors to rile people up and increase tension.

Anyone who thinks that was an organic "revolution" needs to do some research. It's no coincidence Russia annexed Crimea months later. It was a classic eye for an eye geopolitical chess move.

The funniest part about that was that the Russians annexed Crimea without a single shot fired. Why? Because they were welcomed there by the majority of the population.

Do you think Russia could take Kiev without a shot fired? No chance because theyre simply not welcome there.

As far as how much longer can Russia keep doing this for I would wager they can do this for YEARS. They have more manpower, they have cheap energy and resources which allows them to produce and manufacture military equipment faster, at a higher rate for cheaper - which means they most definitely can out last Ukraine who's average military age is now 43 years old.

Obviously if NATO gets involved and we put our boots on the ground over there things will be different but there is no doubt that Russia will out last Ukraine at this rate.

Lastly if Russia and Italy had a contest of who could produce more tanks, planes, helicotpers, artillery systems and rocket systems and artillery shells who do you think would win?

Clearly the GDP metric doesn't tell the whole story about who can out produce who.

No sensible person in the West believes that nonsense. That is straight up Russian propaganda and has zero substance.

Ukraine was in no position to fight Russia in 2014 that's why Russia was able to stroll into Crimea. There was also some confusion because Russian soldiers did not wear their insignia.

Am I saying Russia and Italy have the same production capacities? No. But GDP certainly gives a glimpse into Russian economic power/capability. Russia has done a horrible job pivoting from their energy based economy.

What is the opportunity cost for Russia to build all those tanks? What are the costs of the sanctions?

Lets also not pretend that Russia is USSR. Sure Russia can extend this war for a couple more years but eventually something will have to give. USSR lasted about a decade in Afghanistan before complete collapse.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

You're leaving out a major fact. The west backed a coup in 2014 which removed the democratically elected president of Ukraine. A pro western puppet president was then put into power. Russia knew what was coming so they immediately annexed Crimea. In other words, the west started this war.

Get your facts straight bozo.

Please provide any credible facts for this claim. Repeating the same disproven propaganda does not support your case. Please remember I am not some grandpa stuck in Russia with limited access to outside information.

Personal attacks only demonstrate the weakness of your claims.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

No sensible person in the West believes that nonsense. That is straight up Russia propaganda and has zero substance.

Ukraine was in no position to fight Russia in 2014 that's why Russia was able to stroll into Crimea. There was also some confusion because Russian soldiers did not wear their insignia.

Am I saying Russia and Italy have the same production capacities? No. But GDP certainly gives a glimpse into Russian economic power/capability. Russia has done a horrible job pivoting from their energy based economy.

What is the opportunity cost for Russia to build all those tanks? What are the costs of the sanctions?

Lets also not pretend that Russia is USSR. Sure Russia can extend this war for a couple more years but eventually something will have to give. USSR lasted about a decade in Afghanistan before complete collapse.

Victoria Nuland happened to be in Kiev during the Maidan revolution by coincidence.

It's funny how 40% of Ukraine voted for a pro Russian president just a couple of years before the "revolution" and in 2014 those people suddenly disappeared and Ukriane had a "revolution" completely shifting gears to pro western government.

Anyone who is sensible knows it was a coup and thus Russia swooped in and took Crimea shortly after. It was a classic eye for eye move on the geopolitical chessboard. Cause and effect.

This obviously created much tension and escalation in the Donbas and here we are today.

 

[AWilder]

One of Russia's most famous war heroes. Lyudmila Pavlichenko. 309 "confirmed" sniper kills.

@Ludwig von Mises

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Victoria Nuland happened to be in Kiev during the Maidan revolution by coincidence.

It's funny how 40% of Ukraine voted for a pro Russian president just a couple of years before the "revolution" and in 2014 those people suddenly disappeared and Ukriane had a "revolution" completely shifting gears to pro western government.

Anyone who is sensible knows it was a coup and thus Russia swooped in and took Crimea shortly after. It was a classic eye for eye move on the geopolitical chessboard. Cause and effect.

This obviously created much tension and escalation in the Donbas and here we are today.

So a random politician being in Ukraine is proof of Western involvement?

The reason for the revolution was the president going back on his word and why people elected him. Ukrainian people wanted to join EU and the president at the time promised to do and then changed course to get closer to Russia(for energy promises). No great conspiracy is necessary.

You seem to be glossing over the fact Russia invaded a sovereign neighbor that it promised to support and respect its borders (in exchange for giving up nukes). If anything it shows you can't trust anything Russia promises. So far Russia broke two promises. This is why peace with Russia without joining NATO is beyond pointless. Either that or Ukraine needs nukes.

Ukraine could do as it wanted to push for closer ties with any country in the world. That is what shows it was a sovereign country and not merely a Kremlin puppet. Russia invading and annexing Ukrainian land wasn't merely an "eye for an eye" it was against international law. Ukraine did not invade Russia and annex Russian land. Had Ukraine done that then maybe you'd have a point with the "eye for an eye".