International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[Cid]

Who's winning now lads?

From what I've pieced together in my peripheral, most pundits saying Russia via long game? Ukraine has recently received more guarantees on funding and military aid but will it just prolong the same thing?

Where we at and where do you see the end?

Russia but not by much now that US aid has arrived.

West fights with jets and we've sent no western jets being the issue.

This is mainly an artillery war and western countries don't really have artillery capacity or stockpiles outside America (because America) and South Korea (who use artillery heavily in their forces)

SK currently can't send shells to war zones but they back fill some US stockpiles.

Which makes the US aid package an artillery package deal from the two western artillery forces worth a damn in an artillery war.

If US/SK aid flows Ukraine does well, if not they really struggle. Right now it flows but the delays were quite damaging.




Long term is hard to tell, both sides have their issues and there are many different factors.

NK/SK proxy war being a possibility right now... NK has men to die, SK artillery power is insane. Could rival the US as a contributor.

Russia only having 4 dishes to communicate with their satellites and one just got struck because Ukraine made their own deep strike capabilities...

Which now happen almost daily.

Increasing western artillery purchases from non aligned states..

Predicting the twists and turns.. uyyyyy




Biggest factor by far is US passing the next bill. Russia can't long war because they can't match western production except for a few areas. In 2 years stockpiles for stuff starts to get dangerously low.

 

[Hog-train]

 

[Bagatur]

Yes but the point I was making was that it’s mighty rich to listen to that little idiot call it a western backed coup when the whole thing began as a response to Russian meddling

and what's more, every escalation was done by the Russians, starting with police using brute force to disperse students protesting the government decision to once again delay signing an EU association agreement (must be the West that whispered in Yanukovich's ear to do so) in November of 2013 and ending with snipers killing dozens of protesters on February 20th of 2014 (I wonder which of the Western leaders gave the order). It didnt have the desired effect, and Yanukovich fled to Russia rightfully fearing for his life.

 

[PEB]

A Bradley bushmaster gun was used to shoot down Russian drone.

 

[PEB]

So this is why North Korean soldiers are being sent to fight the war in Ukraine for Russia. Another Trump said he talked to Putin after the invasion? Does anyone now wonder who Trump is working for during the debate.

 

[SandisLL]

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and what's more, every escalation was done by the Russians, starting with police using brute force to disperse students protesting the government decision to once again delay signing an EU association agreement (must be the West that whispered in Yanukovich's ear to do so) in November of 2013 and ending with snipers killing dozens of protesters on February 20th of 2014 (I wonder which of the Western leaders gave the order). It didnt have the desired effect, and Yanukovich fled to Russia rightfully fearing for his life.

The Supreme lawmaker in Ukraine is Verhovna Rada. It is like Congress + Senate in U.S.
Mr Yanykovich didn't had fulfilled his duties 8 months in row despite kept demands to get his salary paid. Therefore Supreme lawmaker had dismissed him from his post. Yup, he had been allowed to walk in Ukraine where he wished and attempted to change constitution without referendum and appr....from Supreme lawmaker.

.if about elections, during wartime they are not allowed because voting points should be announced long time before voting might be done ... and they should provide opportunity to vote in person and should allow international observers to see voting and counts process in person. U want to count their votes in frontline trench?
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AFAIK during World War 2 United Kingdoom didn't had elections for a reason....

 

[Bagatur]

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The Supreme lawnaker on Ukraine is Verhovna Rada. It is like Congress + Senate in U.S.
Mr Yanykovich didn't had fulfilled his duties 8 months in row despite kept demands to get his salary paid. Therefore Supreme lawmaker had dismissed him from his post. Yup, he had been allowed to walk in Ukraine where he wished and attempted to change constitution without referendum and appr....from Supreme lawmaker.

.if about elections, during wartime they are not allowed because voting points should be announced long time before voting might be done ... and they should provide opportunity to vote in person and should allow international observers to see voting and counts process in person. U want to count their votes in frontline trench?
.
AFAIK during World War 2 United Kingdoom didn't had elections for a reason....

it's funny how pro-Russian idiots worry so much about Ukrainian elections. worry about Putin staying in power for decades.

 

[Whippy McGee]

Wrong thread - delete. =P

 

[Hog-train]

Russians are fleeing to South Korea to escape the war with Ukraine

Thousands of Russian nationals are applying for asylum in South Korea, with some applicants stranded at airports for months.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Copper Burner]

it's funny how pro-Russian idiots worry so much about Ukrainian elections. worry about Putin staying in power for decades.

It's funny how pro western military industrial complex idiots ignore all of the forced regime changes like killing ghadaffi, illegal bombing of sovereign nations, accusing Iraq of weapons of mass destruction and then illegally invading their country, funding and arming of terrorists like Isis for the purpose of deatabilizing regions etc. All of that happened in just the last 25 years. What makes you think the Ukraine/Russia conflict is any different?

You are a fool?

 

[Strychnine]

Those are the russian casualties. A few of them we're even killed while blowing each other in an active war zone.

I saw that video.

Brings a new meaning to the term "snuff film."

 

[Strychnine]

A Russian S-500 hit by Ukraine?

 

[Blayt7hh]

Russians are fleeing to South Korea to escape the war with Ukraine

Thousands of Russian nationals are applying for asylum in South Korea, with some applicants stranded at airports for months.

www.businessinsider.com

Not sure South Korea is a good fit for anyone against conscription hahah

 

[Hog-train]

Not sure South Korea is a good fit for anyone against conscription hahah

True didn't think of that haha.

 

[curryjunkie]

democrats better spend the next few months shovelling as many weapons as they can to ukraine, judging by last night, the orange fuckwit takes over come new year

 

[SandisLL]

A Russian S-500 hit by Ukraine?

Radar.
S-500 like S-400 and S-300 are networked systems and might use additional info from radars used by other systems and itself does have some bunch with radars too....

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Without multi layered system : like when you use long range SAM battery protected by medium range and short range & very short range air Def .....
Without this both : Patriot and S-400 , most likely also S-500 are vulnerable vs attacks done by low flying slow and very cheap drones .. . ...

In 2022 th Baikatar were very effective even vs Pantsirj and Tor.
When Gerasimov had been installed, he ordered to upgrade software and ....things changed quickly. He also ordered not to use phones and selfies near frontline. Initially they didn't knew that ukr are watching pro russian channels from Russian sources and had posted a lot of stuff ....then ukr might to use this in order to find where to strike near frontline... .... ....

 

[Strychnine]

 

[method115]

democrats better spend the next few months shovelling as many weapons as they can to ukraine, judging by last night, the orange fuckwit takes over come new year

Not sure that means anything. Trying to predict what Trump will do is impossible even if he tells you what he will do. I honestly don't think much will change.

 

[SandisLL]

Russia but not by much now that US aid has arrived.

West fights with jets and we've sent no western jets being the issue.

This is mainly an artillery war and western countries don't really have artillery capacity or stockpiles outside America (because America) and South Korea (who use artillery heavily in their forces)

SK currently can't send shells to war zones but they back fill some US stockpiles.

Which makes the US aid package an artillery package deal from the two western artillery forces worth a damn in an artillery war.

If US/SK aid flows Ukraine does well, if not they really struggle. Right now it flows but the delays were quite damaging.




Long term is hard to tell, both sides have their issues and there are many different factors.

NK/SK proxy war being a possibility right now... NK has men to die, SK artillery power is insane. Could rival the US as a contributor.

Russia only having 4 dishes to communicate with their satellites and one just got struck because Ukraine made their own deep strike capabilities...

Which now happen almost daily.

Increasing western artillery purchases from non aligned states..

Predicting the twists and turns.. uyyyyy




Biggest factor by far is US passing the next bill. Russia can't long war because they can't match western production except for a few areas. In 2 years stockpiles for stuff starts to get dangerously low.

SK is used also by some European countries as arty ammo supplier.... European countries who does have land borders with Belarus, Russia and Ukraine can't afford to deplete stockpiles ....therefore they might sent stuff to ukr only after they already had get replacement delivered...

There is also one reason why a lot of European countries are really soft with Benny ( Israel ).
They are using Israel as anti tank missiles supplier and Benny does deliver quickly.

Reason is that some countries does have the same Javelin etc ....and might send them to Ukr...while they need to have some replacement already delivered. Benny does deliver quickly.

 

[SandisLL]

A Bradley bushmaster gun was used to shoot down Russian drone.

There ofc is some fun that drone might be shot down by APCs autocannon.

While this also shows that Russia is using more and more these cheap slow drones and does have a lot of them.
Also tactique they had changed and prefer to use not 1 or 2 drones but more for 1 attack, additionally they now prefer to launch attack from multiple directions ...and some from drones they are using to fly in lowest possible altitude.