International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[Ruthless Ryan]

It is pride to get called as nazi by russian troll like you. Ignore list works wonder comrade. Maybe earn your paycheck with real job.

The Nazi playcard is getting old. everyone wants to call someone a Nazi to put themselves on the high moral ground. Even if true and there is Nazis on either side what are they doing? are they building gas chambers and ovens? They are a small fringe of nothing burgers and for the most part it's whites killing whites....so not even sure what the point is.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Watch Google map, deepstate map etc....

About elite: see where is arstantovich....he claims that is reserve colonel or like this and where he is? Monaco, U.S etc...not in Ukraine. He loves to love Ukraine from distance.

Was just watching your buddy Denys and he said UKR has slightly expanded Krynky front while you said UKR has been eliminated from it....big difference in opinion.

 

[ferrisjso]

Lol, NATO was basically built by nazis.
But it's fine, they were good soldiers.
The race to attract nazi talent was a big thing in the 50s and 60s. And these guys already knew how to fight the russians.

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Welcome to the paid Russian shill club comrade! Are you from Serbia too? Cause apparently thats where I'm from.

Yes because in this real war epizode he needs mandatory physically annex Kherson, Zaporoiza, Luhansk and Donetsk oblastjs by 100% ....because he had annexed them on paper and should save face in front of Russian nationalists and imperialists. Chauvinists will also to force Putin's administration to achieve goal that Ukraine recognize these oblastjs and Crimea as part of Russia...in order to get some sanctions lifted businessmans too needs that Ukraine will recognize these occupied oblastjs as part of Russian federation ....cos then this will be tool in negotiations vs West to lift some sanctions.

While about Ukraine propaganda is that they are not nation, their statehood is fake and their language is artifical creation. Ofc also that Kremlin is fighting against almost all collective west etc bullshit.

The only province he needs 100% of to claim victory is Donetsk(he already has 99.5% of Luhansk). Kherson and Zap are not needed. The purpose of going into those provinces was the land bridge not neccessarily to seize 100% of the land. That goal has been acheived. And since that goal has been acheived the front has more or less been silent on the Russian side except them retaking Robytne which is more about mocking the Ukranian counteroffensive than the actual town.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Welcome to the paid Russian shill club comrade! Are you from Serbia too? Cause apparently thats where I'm from.



The only province he needs 100% of to claim victory is Donetsk(he already has 99.5% of Luhansk). Kherson and Zap are not needed. The purpose of going into those provinces was the land bridge not neccessarily to seize 100% of the land. That goal has been acheived. And since that goal has been acheived the front has more or less been silent on the Russian side except them retaking Robytne which is more about mocking the Ukranian counteroffensive than the actual town.

About as successful as the special military operation ...was a great idea.

 

[Joe]

Lol, NATO was basically built by nazis.
But it's fine, they were good soldiers.
The race to attract nazi talent was a big thing in the 50s and 60s. And these guys already knew how to fight the russians.

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the russians had nazis in their space program too. The only reason they didnt is because they didnt want to be under sovier rule.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Yes, because the Wagner group was formed prior to the Ukrainian conflict. By a Neo-Nazi.

And its ranks, along with the Russian ranks, are sprinkled with Neo-Nazis no different than the Ukrainian armed forces, or just about any armed forces from a country with a more pervasive tradition of Neo-Nazism.

Only the most gullible, least discriminating thinkers in all the West buy the straight-from-the-Kremlin propaganda that the Ukraine is some sort of Nazi haven. It's so laughably transparent.

So why were western newspapers saying it before the conflict started?

 

[Cid]

So why were western newspapers saying it before the conflict started?

in 2013?

Source?

 

[ermac88]

Lol, NATO was basically built by nazis.
But it's fine, they were good soldiers.
The race to attract nazi talent was a big thing in the 50s and 60s. And these guys already knew how to fight the russians.

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I dont follow, at all.
When the axis lost, they served the allies.

Scientist, Academics, engineeers, experts from Germany and Japan served the allies including instrumental roles at NASA and Roscosmos

What point are you trying to make that the US, Russia and allies had the same ambitions as Nazis during or after the war now?

 

[SandisLL]

Welcome to the paid Russian shill club comrade! Are you from Serbia too? Cause apparently thats where I'm from.



The only province he needs 100% of to claim victory is Donetsk(he already has 99.5% of Luhansk). Kherson and Zap are not needed. The purpose of going into those provinces was the land bridge not neccessarily to seize 100% of the land. That goal has been acheived. And since that goal has been acheived the front has more or less been silent on the Russian side except them retaking Robytne which is more about mocking the Ukranian counteroffensive than the actual town.

He had on paper annexed Zaporozia, Kherson, Luhansk and Donetsk oblastjs....
This is easy to get in their official website....

 

[Brueskie]

The Nazi playcard is getting old. everyone wants to call someone a Nazi to put themselves on the high moral ground. Even if true and there is Nazis on either side what are they doing? are they building gas chambers and ovens? They are a small fringe of nothing burgers and for the most part it's whites killing whites....so not even sure what the point is.

Unfortunately, militaries of any size well always attract a number extremists. Where better to get the military training they think they'll eventually need than the military?

 

[SandisLL]

I dont follow, at all.
When the axis lost, they served the allies.

Scientist, Academics, engineeers, experts from Germany and Japan served the allies including instrumental roles at NASA and Roscosmos

What point are you trying to make that the US, Russia and allies had the same ambitions as Nazis during or after the war now?

Btw slow emigration from Germany started when Hitler took office. Since 1933-1935 th.
One part from this emigrants ofc were jews, then ....also Germans....they too had ppl who get what stuff Hitler is... some % of them.
You might do nothing against government and still might happen that you will be locked and accused cos for someone you are suspicious.....that simple.
Under Stalin was the same reality, while to relocate from USSR was more difficult than from Hitler's Germany In 1933-1939 th....

 

[Madmick]

So why were western newspapers saying it before the conflict started?

I don't understand, how are you confused by something so simple?

Wagner's forces formed before Russia more recently invaded the Ukraine, and the men who formed that group weren't born after 2014 or 2022. You understand that, right? They had histories. The press was already covering his group prior to the 2022 invasion because they'd been active including in regions outside Russia (ex. Africa). They are a private paramilitary mercenary force operating across sovereign borders. Are you also dumbfounded by the press covering groups like Blackwater?

 

[SandisLL]

I don't understand, how are you confused by something so simple?

Wagner's forces formed before Russia more recently invaded the Ukraine, and the men who formed that group weren't born after 2014 or 2022. You understand that, right? They had histories. The press was already covering his group prior to the 2022 invasion because they'd been active including in regions outside Russia (ex. Africa). They are a private paramilitary mercenary force operating across sovereign borders. Are you also dumbfounded by the press covering groups like Blackwater?

Prigozin wasn't military person. He in his youth had mistakes cos daTech street stuff while he wasn't pedo etc...simple stuff
...
Later he get connections with Putin and had used catering ( civilian) services to earn money.
GRU leutenant colonel in Utkin ( this guy with tattoos ) was too sharp for Kremlin formal forces.
Therefore piss off.... while he unlike Prigi had real legit military education and most likely was competent.
Then Utkin and Prigi had hired some commissioned officers level guys who had financial problems and......PMC had been established.

Initially wagnerites were secretive and were able to select candidats even from guys with military etc exp.
After Ukr shit had been started relatively soon was easier to get hired by wagner and a bit later also......prisoners....

 

[Madmick]

Prigozin wasn't military person. He in his youth had mistakes cos daTech street stuff while he wasn't pedo etc...simple stuff
...
Later he get connections with Putin and had used catering ( civilian) services to earn money.
GRU leutenant colonel in Utkin ( this guy with tattoos ) was too sharp for Kremlin formal forces.
Therefore piss off.... while he unlike Prigi had real legit military education and most likely was competent.
Then Utkin and Prigi had hired some commissioned officers level guys who had financial problems and......PMC had been established.

Initially wagnerites were secretive and were able to select candidats even from guys with military etc exp.
After Ukr shit had been started relatively soon was easier to get hired by wagner and a bit later also......prisoners....

That isn't the person pictured we're discussing. Keep up.

 

[SandisLL]

That isn't the person pictured we're discussing. Keep up.

OK. Leutenant colonel. GRU. Former. Utkin
.
Or Putin...former FSB director ( FSB earlier had name KGB and before this NKVD. )

 

[SandisLL]

Was just watching your buddy Denys and he said UKR has slightly expanded Krynky front while you said UKR has been eliminated from it....big difference in opinion.

Denys isn't my friend. Denys loves to report only some things positive for Ukraine and he had banned my friend after had been asked does he donate something to Ukr or no.
I use maps and some reports.
Our colonel is doing some reports and this isn't cos he is paid youtuber...in working days and rarely. These reports aren't in English while it doesn't matter what stuff he is telling, does matter .....map he is posting and nothing else .....

From YT guys Artur most likely loves Ukraine more than Denys cos he is visiting Ukraine and donating on regular basis. While no one might ask him to do this cos he isn't Ukr citizen or Ukrainian...despite he does have a lot of flaws ( starting with english worse than estonians usually does have and flaws in technical skills etc and he sometimes maybe is doing posts in drunk condition .. ) he at least really is helping not only with mouth.

I'll check maps again but we need to wait at least till thuesday.....
Kirnky today isn't so important area while might distract Russian attention.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

I don't understand, how are you confused by something so simple?

Wagner's forces formed before Russia more recently invaded the Ukraine, and the men who formed that group weren't born after 2014 or 2022. You understand that, right? They had histories. The press was already covering his group prior to the 2022 invasion because they'd been active including in regions outside Russia (ex. Africa). They are a private paramilitary mercenary force operating across sovereign borders. Are you also dumbfounded by the press covering groups like Blackwater?

I'm talking about Ukraine. If the Ukranian military being full of nazis is just 'russian propaganda,' why were western media outlets reporting it before the invasion?

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

in 2013?

Source?

I said before the invasion. It didn't happen in 2013. Are you really so disingenuous that you googled and found the oldest western article you could find saying Ukraine had a nazi problem and then ask for one from one year before that? Lmao

Here's one from 2014

Azov fighters are Ukraine's greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat

The battalion's far-right volunteers' desire to 'bring the fight to Kiev' is a danger to post-conflict stability

www.theguardian.com

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

in 2013?

Source?

Found one anyway lol

World Report 2013: Rights Trends in World Report 2013: Ukraine

www.hrw.org

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

in 2013?

Source?

Svoboda: The rise of Ukraine's ultra-nationalists

The ultra-nationalist Svoboda party was a big winner in Ukraine's recent election. How radical is it?

www.bbc.com