International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[SandisLL]

I know you're a troll and not even a smart one, but still worthy reply

Nukes are'nt going to prevent war (even on NATO soil), nukes are going to be the red line to not cross to avoid all out WW3 with total destruction mindset
Russia use nukes on NATO ally, USA are all in

If putin win in Ukraine and likes his chances, will possibly try to fuck with Poland and call the NATO bluff

Because reality is NATO's "touch one of us and is all-in WW3!" it's the western version of putin's "i'm crazy guy with nukes!", both big talk bluffs

"Contrary to popular belief, NATO members aren't required to explicitly "defend" other nation states under attack, but to "assist" them."

Allied nations would be allowed (but NOT forced) to defend fellow NATO buddy and there's no clear minimum amount of help that must be given to consider the oath satisfied

In short if putin mess with Poland, Poland would be itself + an impossible to quantify amount of external help, but at least the conflict would be likely something on same level of current Ukraine-Russia

So good for Poland to try the hardest to be armed and ready as much as possible, then if allies help will be big, the better... but for sure they can't sleep on the premise that NATO buddies will go 100% effort on their defense, because is'nt happening

Don't worry...
Since 1950 ies no one in Czech Republic, Slovakia, Baltic countries and Poland & Finland had trusted any word western politicians or businessmans had told. It is just business and nothing personal for them and also for supposed Kurds Nox - Noxx too....with cold friendly calculation by knowing how weak mentally is west....and lying 24/7/365 is cultural norm in west and in Russia too....
Just calculation, not Kurds No2 or Vietnam No2 in behalf of weak pussies...

 

[SandisLL]

For example pussies are weak when they cryed about cluster ammo IF Ukr might had get this, despite this had been used in Ukr since day 1.
Cos comrades in Russia can't be hit and comrades in Ukr ofc might be hit .....don't worry and be happy.
Like to brag about Ottava convention about Anti infantry mines pussies had created. While this restrict to have such stuff in active arsenal, for training purpose nothing is limited. 1 mine or 100 000 000 000 mines.

 

[GhostZ06]

SInce polands military shopping spree was mentioned this can be reposted

F-35A is missing and KF-21 is looking more then likely

 

[Cole train]

F-35A is missing and KF-21 is looking more then likely

Pic is from beginning of 23 or whenever poland announced going shopping so bit old

 

[AWilder]

I've heard he has a very lucrative turnip-to-post ratio deal

I crack up about this shit because my friend went to Russia on some college foreign trade thing and said he hated it because the food was all terrible potatoes mushrooms and soups.

 

[AWilder]

Thats's why I cant wait for this shit country to collapse again, not sure how they will be fixed when it happens because Russia is a pressure cooker that is getting closer to blowing every day.

It's sad how many times throughout Russian history we can look back and say "and then things got worse". We're definitely standing at that point, imo

 

[Limbo Pete]

I crack up about this shit because my friend went to Russia on some college foreign trade thing and said he hated it because the food was all terrible potatoes mushrooms and soups.

There's a really great quote from That 70s Show where Hyde or someone is complaining about the government and Red says "if it wasn't for the U.S. government you'd be suckin' the juice out of a rotten commie potato." And I think about that line often when in this thread

 

[PEB]

Republicans in RNC currently are warning Republicans in the Senate an the house could face repercussions. In that if they push to vote for Ukraine funding by getting a vote on the floor RNC could cut funds in their campaigns. Or something along these lines they also told Mike Johnson the same line. RNC has become Trumpanze now.

 

[SandisLL]

F-35A is missing and KF-21 is looking more then likely

Naw. F-35 are ordered.
From MRLS 18 HIMARS and 14 Chun MO together with missiles already are delivered..

 

[Bacco]

What do you think about the fact that there have been ten CIA bases in Ukraine for the last ten years?

Ten years ago Russia invaded Crimea, of course Ukraine was an area of interest for western intelligence

Don't worry...
Since 1950 ies no one in Czech Republic, Slovakia, Baltic countries and Poland & Finland had trusted any word western politicians or businessmans had told. It is just business and nothing personal for them and also for supposed Kurds Nox - Noxx too....with cold friendly calculation by knowing how weak mentally is west....and lying 24/7/365 is cultural norm in west and in Russia too....
Just calculation, not Kurds No2 or Vietnam No2 in behalf of weak pussies...

As italian who believe Italy will give Poland some symbolic "help" but i doubt will do crazy efforts, i think the NATO deal have two problems.
First to the core the deal has been written ambiguous without strict obligations, wich essentially give NATO countries free pass to do low effort/risk shit and still claim the oath has been respected
Second it rely hard on american leadership, the more USA will be active on the defense of a NATO country the more secondary nations will feel the duty of give their best, but if USA refuse that role due internal bullshit everybody will feel free to think for itself too

Latter problem is strictly related to possible Trump election

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Republicans in RNC currently are warning Republicans in the Senate an the house could face repercussions. In that if they push to vote for Ukraine funding by getting a vote on the floor RNC could cut funds in their campaigns. Or something along these lines they also told Mike Johnson the same line. RNC has become Trumpanze now.

Mike Johnson is stuck between a rock and a hard place. No matter what way he goes with this both sides will want his head on a platter. Not sure who would want that job with the way the party is divided right now.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[Copper Burner]

Ten years ago Russia invaded Crimea, of course Ukraine was an area of interest for western intelligence




As italian who believe Italy will give Poland some symbolic "help" but i doubt will do crazy efforts, i think the NATO deal have two problems.
First to the core the deal has been written ambiguous without strict obligations, wich essentially give NATO countries free pass to do low effort/risk shit and still claim the oath has been respected
Second it rely hard on american leadership, the more USA will be active on the defense of a NATO country the more secondary nations will feel the duty of give their best, but if USA refuse that role due internal bullshit everybody will feel free to think for itself too

Latter problem is strictly related to possible Trump election

10 years ago the west orchestrated a coup to remove the democratically elected president of Ukraine and installed a pro west president. Then Russia annexed Crimea, which is made up of.mostly Russians who wanted to be a part of Russia.

Trump will stop the war.

 

[SandisLL]

Ten years ago Russia invaded Crimea, of course Ukraine was an area of interest for western intelligence




As italian who believe Italy will give Poland some symbolic "help" but i doubt will do crazy efforts, i think the NATO deal have two problems.
First to the core the deal has been written ambiguous without strict obligations, wich essentially give NATO countries free pass to do low effort/risk shit and still claim the oath has been respected
Second it rely hard on american leadership, the more USA will be active on the defense of a NATO country the more secondary nations will feel the duty of give their best, but if USA refuse that role due internal bullshit everybody will feel free to think for itself too

Latter problem is strictly related to possible Trump election

I have doubts that Italy will send troops to Poland in case of war....sure.
However weapons and ammo Italy will send and quickly regardless who will be POTUS because Italy doesn't want to have next huge batches with xxxxxx refugees and....is not in position to resist vs pressure from ECB due to financial situation Italy does have. Also possibility to get x xxx xxx more refugees is direct treat to Italy's financial etc situation.

 

[SandisLL]

If about Germany, they will send a lot of stuff to Poland in case of war, also stuff they refused to sent or even sell to Ukr....most likely also old Cold War era cluster ammo etc.
For pragmatic reasons: Germany isn't capable to prevent Germany to have more than half of Poland relocate to Germany...and unlike empty yelling about nukes....this definitely will happen in case of war. Poland also does have approx 1 000 000 Ukr refugees and more than 1 500 000 different immigrants who aren't refugees. These definitely will rush to Germany in case of war as first batch ....
Also to have land border with Russia Germany and Czech Republic doesn't want....

 

[SandisLL]

Also despite pro Kremlin propaganda oriented to portray Poland like agricultural village from 1939 th it isn't reality.
They heavily integrated economy in global scene and does have a lot of companies etc partially owned by asiats, Germans, Danes, Brits , Americans or credited with their money.
Poland is one from largest Germany trading partner in EU/ EEZ....
Economy and businesses now are global....investments and trade too....

 

[SandisLL]

With Ukr situation isn't good at all and here doesn't matter number of KIAs for each side and hobby to count opponents KIA numbers like in divination saloon...

Looks that Ukr is feeling lack of ammo and SAM missiles and Russia is using this and there....doesn't matter number of soldiers Ukr might use ....absolutely...doesn't matter...

Europe again saved Ukr from financial default but they will not deplete their ammo and weapons stockpiles...
While they had allocated money and if will manage to purchase stuff as replacement or directly meant for sending to Ukr....then they will send stuff to Ukr.

In best case Ukr might feel this after some 2 weeks not earlier.....and this in best case.

Till this Russia will have easy opportunity to use gliding bombs, huge superiority in artillery and mortars ammo availability and maybe also sometimes simple gravity bombs too...
So Russia will do all the best during next 2 weeks in order to apply max possible pressure and also to launch a lot of missiles on targets far from frontline.

 

[SandisLL]

10 years ago the west orchestrated a coup to remove the democratically elected president of Ukraine and installed a pro west president. Then Russia annexed Crimea, which is made up of.mostly Russians who wanted to be a part of Russia.

Trump will stop the war.

Are you employee in troll farm or just dumb?
Tales for idiots like u about coup alone are laughable tales for dumb ppl.
Supreme lawmaker in Ukraine is Parliament not president. This as first reality my russian comrade.
Next stuff is that exactly Yanukovich attempted to do constitutional coup by changing constitution in order to do attempt to make him as Supreme lawmaker ....and with this idea Parliament didn't had agreed and he didn't had conducted referendum to back up his idea to change constitution....

Also your comrade Yanukovich wasn't remowed in coup...
He had been kicked out after 8 months in row drinking vodka and partying instead to do his job he has signed for.

Comrade, for all of us will be better and you will be more respected if will drop idiotic excuses and dumb texts posting.
Just post in open and plain text that you are thinking that Ukraine should be incorporated in Russia cos imperialistic reasons and we will believe that you are honest.

Instead of playing chatbot here : we are tired 700+ days in row to read blantant lies and your BS....

 

[Bacco]

10 years ago the west orchestrated a coup to remove the democratically elected president of Ukraine and installed a pro west president. Then Russia annexed Crimea, which is made up of.mostly Russians who wanted to be a part of Russia.

Trump will stop the war.

Lmao you're trumper too?
Quite the combination

At this point almost hope for you you're indeed a paid troll

 

[Bacco]

I have doubts that Italy will send troops to Poland in case of war....sure.
However weapons and ammo Italy will send and quickly regardless who will be POTUS because Italy doesn't want to have next huge batches with xxxxxx refugees and....is not in position to resist vs pressure from ECB due to financial situation Italy does have. Also possibility to get x xxx xxx more refugees is direct treat to Italy's financial etc situation.

We essentially agree

I believe Italy will help with toys, money and other types of support, but i really doubt troops, beside maybe very few special forces with training duties

I'm saying USA involvement will affect positively or negativly the amount of that support