International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[PEB]

This doesnt make any sense..


Seriosuly why are they even leading the EU when they have zero backbone

Scholz is back peddling hard now that Germans support sending long range missiles to Ukraine. He's gaslighting Germans.

 

[PEB]

Mark Esper finally done with Trumps BS. He worked under Trump as his defense secretary now he is solidly a never Trumper. He going to unleash his scorn at Trump every chance he can apparently. Still a Republican but now a big hater of Putin an Trump. He's already attacking MAGA Mike for his BS.


Update: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...e-now-or-fight-costlier-wars-later/index.html

 

[PEB]

"Editor’s Note: Mark T. Esper served as the US defense secretary during the Trump administration and is the author of the book “A Sacred Oath: Memoirs Of A Secretary Of Defense During Extraordinary Times.” He serves on the board of The McCain Institute. Esper serves on the board or as a strategic advisor for a handful of aerospace and defense-related companies. The views expressed in this commentary are his own. View more opinion on CNN."

 

[Cid]

Is my screen broken or is that guy oompa loompa orange?

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

There is clearly audio of him praising them about Avdiivka.

Kinda like they showed the main Navy commander in a video when he was rumoured dead. Then he was later “dismissed” from his command post. There has been someone else sitting in Gerasimov seat in their congress room.

 

[Wetarmpits]

*sighs* germany....

Germany Still Discussing Sending Long-Range Weapons to Ukraine

Two years have passed since Russia invaded Ukraine, but Germany is still discussing whether to send long-range weapons to Kyiv.

www.thedefensepost.com

Scholz is a wimpy embarrassment.

 

[SandisLL]

Scholz is a wimpy embarrassment.

Scholz had attempted to weasel out from duties he had signed for NATO.....and a lot of papers he had signed.

While for Taurus better is to have decoys missiles...and these are from U.S.

Beauty was when he agreed to install troops in Suwalki corridor and didn't had bothered to sent tanks....
President Biden and Duda & PiS then bothered to install tanks for exercises not only just guys....awful
.

 

[AWilder]

Way to go Russia!

 

[Strychnine]

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Way to go Russia!

It shows how insane Putler has become to achieve his goals, risking pilots and planes like they are his cannon fodder zombies.

 

[ViD]

Way to go Russia!

I have a better update for you (same proof, it’s all “trust me bro”)




It’s also absolutely mind blowing how the official Ukrainian defense dept posts this garbage with zero proof and says “we’re running out of jokes” when Russia is absolutely destroying Ukrainian forces with FABs and increasing their use meaning more and not less planes are doing sorties and Ukrainian has absolutely no answer for this hence why their front is collapsing now

 

[ViD]

now here’s something that’s been proven. Russia catching and destroying Ukrainian air defense systems



Are the Ukrainian officials running out of jokes for this too ? I’m assuming tomorrow they will report 5 downed planes

 

[ViD]

It shows how insane Putler has become to achieve his goals, risking pilots and planes like they are his cannon fodder zombies.

The only thing it shows is that you and @AWilder are stupid enough to believe this blatant lie

 

[LeonardoBjj]

France again floats idea of sending non-combat troops to Ukraine​

French President Emmanuel Macron also said it should not be “ruled out."

ByPatrick Reevell

LONDON -- France’s foreign minister has suggested that Western countries should be considering the idea that NATO troops should perhaps be deployed to Ukraine in non-combat roles to assist Ukraine.

Foreign Minister Stéphane Sejourne in France’s parliament on Wednesday elaborated further, saying NATO troops could potentially be deployed into Ukraine to assist with roles such as “demining, cyber operations or weapons production.”

This statement follows President Emmanuel Macron’s comments on Tuesday, saying Western troop deployments to Ukraine should “not be ruled out.”

Macron said troops could do such actions without “crossing the threshold of belligerence” and such things should not be ruled out given Russia’s efforts to destabilize Europe.

France’s suggestions have been firmly rebuffed by some key European states but it appears there is a real growing push among some European countries to at least discuss the possibility of providing more direct military assistance, something that had been previously been taboo.

The Netherlands defense ministry also didn’t rule it out on Tuesday and Macron, along with Slovakia’s prime minister, have both said publicly some countries are actively discussing it.

This development underlines how an understanding seems to be rapidly emerging in Europe that it needs to take its own major steps to counteract Russian success in Ukraine as American aid is at risk of collapse and a Putin victory no longer seems impossible.

In part, the more assertive public stance from France and other countries seems intended to establish some “strategic ambiguity” with Russia instead of telegraphing what the West won’t do and, therefore, giving Putin broad lines to operate in. In other words, parts of Europe are trying to toughen up the line to make Putin think twice.

There is a dawning sense, however, that Europe needs to do more and for Ukraine and figure out alternative methods to deter the Kremlin, especially considering the open secret that Western special forces -- at the very least from the U.S. and U.K. -- are already on the ground assisting Ukraine covertly.

Those who support the idea suggest Western military personnel could bolster Ukraine’s air defenses and free up Ukrainian troops if they were stationed in the rear for example.


While these plans are not on the cards in the immediate sense, even the discussions show a significant shift regarding how concerned European governments are becoming at the sudden prospect of a potential victory in some form for Putin in Ukraine.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ding-combat-troops-ukraine/story?id=107669159

 

[AWilder]

The only thing it shows is that you and @AWilder are stupid enough to believe this blatant lie

Imagine getting butt hurt that Russia is shooting down it's own planes <45>

 

[Limbo Pete]

Imagine getting butt hurt that Russia is shooting down it's own planes <45>

He's a living, breathing "Wait, we're the baddies?" meme

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

The only thing it shows is that you and @AWilder are stupid enough to believe this blatant lie

Imagine getting butt hurt that Russia is shooting down it's own planes <45>

To be fair, UKR and Russia are competing for most successful downed planes.

 

[ViD]

France again floats idea of sending non-combat troops to Ukraine​

French President Emmanuel Macron also said it should not be “ruled out."

ByPatrick Reevell

LONDON -- France’s foreign minister has suggested that Western countries should be considering the idea that NATO troops should perhaps be deployed to Ukraine in non-combat roles to assist Ukraine.

Foreign Minister Stéphane Sejourne in France’s parliament on Wednesday elaborated further, saying NATO troops could potentially be deployed into Ukraine to assist with roles such as “demining, cyber operations or weapons production.”

This statement follows President Emmanuel Macron’s comments on Tuesday, saying Western troop deployments to Ukraine should “not be ruled out.”

Macron said troops could do such actions without “crossing the threshold of belligerence” and such things should not be ruled out given Russia’s efforts to destabilize Europe.

France’s suggestions have been firmly rebuffed by some key European states but it appears there is a real growing push among some European countries to at least discuss the possibility of providing more direct military assistance, something that had been previously been taboo.

The Netherlands defense ministry also didn’t rule it out on Tuesday and Macron, along with Slovakia’s prime minister, have both said publicly some countries are actively discussing it.

This development underlines how an understanding seems to be rapidly emerging in Europe that it needs to take its own major steps to counteract Russian success in Ukraine as American aid is at risk of collapse and a Putin victory no longer seems impossible.

In part, the more assertive public stance from France and other countries seems intended to establish some “strategic ambiguity” with Russia instead of telegraphing what the West won’t do and, therefore, giving Putin broad lines to operate in. In other words, parts of Europe are trying to toughen up the line to make Putin think twice.

There is a dawning sense, however, that Europe needs to do more and for Ukraine and figure out alternative methods to deter the Kremlin, especially considering the open secret that Western special forces -- at the very least from the U.S. and U.K. -- are already on the ground assisting Ukraine covertly.

Those who support the idea suggest Western military personnel could bolster Ukraine’s air defenses and free up Ukrainian troops if they were stationed in the rear for example.


While these plans are not on the cards in the immediate sense, even the discussions show a significant shift regarding how concerned European governments are becoming at the sudden prospect of a potential victory in some form for Putin in Ukraine.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ding-combat-troops-ukraine/story?id=107669159

What does it even mean ? Non combat troops ? They will send police officers to keep Kiev in check ?

If he means air defense system operators or instructors from NATO countries, they have been in Ukraine for a long time now

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

The only thing it shows is that you and @AWilder are stupid enough to believe this blatant lie

I believe it when it comes from multiple reliable sources the same sources that said Russians were making gains on multiple fronts. Not some twitter guy that says Shoigu type numbers.

 

[Orgasmo]

Ukrainians pushed Russians out of Robotyne in the south, but they're still losing ground in the Avdiivka direction. Russians seem to have paused their attacks around Bakhumut.