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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

Isn’t winning in war defined by who achieved their stated goals?

Assuming none of the land taken by Russia in this offensive will be returning to Ukraine?

Well in that context, the win condition for Ukraine is retaining independence and existence so as long as Ukraine is on the map they've won since Russia's goal is to takeover all of Ukraine and turn it into a puppet state like Belarus.

Russia's war goal isn't to capture one ruined village in the eastern outskirts of Ukraine. It's for the entire thing.
 
Well in that context, the win condition for Ukraine is retaining independence and existence so as long as Ukraine is on the map they've won since Russia's goal is to takeover all of Ukraine and turn it into a puppet state like Belarus.

Russia's war goal isn't to capture one ruined village in the eastern outskirts of Ukraine. It's for the entire thing.
Ok
 
Isn’t winning in war defined by who achieved their stated goals?

Assuming none of the land taken by Russia in this offensive will be returning to
Putin’s stated goal is that Ukraine has no right to exist as a sovereign state.

Zelensky’s stated goal is that all lands to the 2014 border will be Ukrainian, including Crimea.

I don’t see either happening, ergo everyone loses, which we already knew
 
All signs shows that AFU had started slow and gradual remowal of forces from Avdiivka area....
Russian advantage in mortar fire in this area is at least 8 vs 1, artillery and MRLS and drones approx 5 vs 1 and manpower approx 4 vs 1. 5 days in row.
Zelensky is talking about reconstruction and funding he will need for this from west and this is ridiculous and his authority is dropping down each hour ......
 


It was announced that defense contractor starting building drones in Ukraine.

Turkish defence company Baykar has started building a factory near Kyiv that will employ around 500 people and where it will manufacture either its TB2 or TB3 drone models, the company's chief executive told Reuters.
Turkish-made Bayraktar drones have gained prominence globally after being used by Ukraine's military to thwart Russian forces by destroying armoured vehicles and artillery systems.
Baykar has said it has signed export deals for its TB2 drone with 30 countries. These include Ukraine, Ethiopia, Libya and Azerbaijan since 2018, according to think tank SIPRI.

 
Assistance forms from EU countries are different..
1. Collective assistance.
2. Individual assistance.
3. Loans ..
4. Warrant lettrrs for Ukr loans....

Latvian lawmakers had agreed with point 1. 2. 3 and didn't had confirmed point 4. = their share might had be approx 500 000 000 in additional guarantee ( warrant ) letters...and this isn't collective aid but individiual additional assistance. Ukraine does have really bad relationship with them and selfish parasitic bullies attitude from Ukr in real life.
Therefore additional individual bill for Ukr isn't signed.
While they had confirmed that will not block 50 b + 20 b EUR collective bills from EU ....
 
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I cannot think of worse replacement than Syrskyi, dude is widely hated, seems to avoid any responsibility and takes credit from accomplishments of others. It is the army that is stuck on the soviet thinking while navy, air force and especially special services have managed to adapt.

He is going to do same in Avdiivka what he did in Bakhmut, he'll defend it to last god damn outhouse.

I honestly dont know what the fuck is Zelensky thinking. Well we know the next president of Ukraine now.
Yeah this is a strange development. I don’t know everything obviously but this does not seem like a smart move
 
Sysrkyi is usually placed in hard areas and asking for ammo.
 
Well in that context, the win condition for Ukraine is retaining independence and existence so as long as Ukraine is on the map they've won since Russia's goal is to takeover all of Ukraine and turn it into a puppet state like Belarus.

Russia's war goal isn't to capture one ruined village in the eastern outskirts of Ukraine. It's for the entire thing.
Russia's goal is to control the Black Sea, they don't need to annex all of Ukraine.
 
So next beauty about Ukr refugees in EU.
Approx 60% from them doesn't work and are sitting on benefits and getting language courses etc for free.
Ofc EU countries will not send them to Ykr meat grinder while easily might cut OFF benefits for adults suitblr for conscription and cease to pay their utilities bills in top of benefits etc they are getting. Expenses are huge and these sums might had been used to help Ukraine instead to babysit adult parasites suitable for military service...europe does have such stuff damn a lot.
I don't agree that they should return to Ukr.
I also don't agree that our taxpayers money is spent for them. If they might earn for a living and don't ask support, why not? I agree.
 

Ukraine replaces army chief in shakeup at difficult time in war with Russia​

By Tom Balmforth and Olena Harmash
February 8, 20246:32 PM GMT-3


  • Summary
  • Sweeping military shakeup is biggest of war so far
  • Popular "Iron General" removed as army chief
  • Ground forces commander takes helm of armed forces
  • Some Ukrainians question exit of Zaluzhnyi
KYIV, Feb 8 (Reuters) - President Volodymyr Zelenskiy replaced Ukraine's popular army chief with his ground forces commander on Thursday, a huge gamble at a time when Russian forces are gaining the upper hand nearly two years into their war.

The shakeup ushering in a new military leadership follows months of speculation about a rift between Zelenskiy and army chief General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, who many Ukrainians see as a national hero.

"As of today, a new management team takes over the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine," Zelenskiy said in a statement.

He promoted ground forces chief Colonel General Oleksandr Syrskyi, 58, to be the new head of the Armed Forces, citing his role in overseeing the defence of Kyiv in 2022 and the lightning Kharkiv counteroffensive later that year.

Syrskyi, who goes by the call sign "snow leopard", takes the helm amid deep uncertainty as Kyiv awaits vital military aid from the United States that has been delayed by Republicans in the U.S. Congress for months.

The U.S. State Department said the move to replace Zaluzhnyi was a "sovereign decision".

With Ukraine struggling to overhaul how it mobilises civilians into the army, the sacking of Zaluzhnyi could deal a blow to troop morale on a 1,000 km front. It could also backfire politically, hurting Zelenskiy's ratings.

Zelenskyi said he was grateful to Zaluzhnyi for his time as army chief and posted a photograph of the two men shaking hands and smiling, with Zaluzhnyi flashing the peace sign.

Messages of gratitude for Zaluzhnyi, known widely as the "Iron General", flooded social media following the announcement. Some Ukrainians posted images of the top general alongside images of hearts.

Passers-by in central Kyiv openly questioned the move.
"This is a very odd decision. We know our enemy and it is not Zaluzhnyi," said Svitlana Kalinina, a consultant.

"I am very upset. I don't know about others but I am very upset. This is a signal that worries me," said Olena, a doctor.

Late last year a poll put the public's trust in Zaluzhnyi at over 90% - significantly higher than Zelenskiy's 77%.

Under Zaluzhnyi's command, Ukrainian forces rebuffed Russia's initial assault on Kyiv and reclaimed swathes of territory in 2022. But the battlefield momentum turned against Ukraine last year as a much-vaunted counteroffensive proved unable to break through heavily defended Russian lines.

Russia has since ramped up offensive pressure on the eastern front, trying to cut off and encircle the town of Avdiivka.
Zelenskyi indicated it was last year's setback that underpinned his decision to replace Zaluzhnyi.

"In the second year of this war, we won the Black Sea. We won the winter. We proved that we can regain control over the Ukrainian sky. But, unfortunately, we could not achieve the goals of our state on the ground."

The military shakeup unfolded over a series of statements in which Zelenskiy said he had met Zaluzhnyi to discuss changes to the military leadership, adding that he had asked the general to remain "on his team."

In a separate statement, Zaluzhnyi said he had met Zelenskyi for an "important and serious conversation" and that a decision had been made to change battlefield tactics and strategy.
"The tasks of 2022 are different from the tasks of 2024 Therefore, everyone must change and adapt to new realities as well. To win together too," his statement said.

The two statements were published within moments of one another, suggesting that the two most prominent wartime figures in Ukraine had coordinated closely to put on a display of unity.

As ground commander, the new army chief Syrskyi is also closely associated both with Ukraine's initial successes and its more recent setbacks. In an interview with Reuters last month, he signalled the importance of rotating out exhausted troops who have been under near-constant artillery fire.

"Our task and...one of the reasons for the attention on mobilisation is the timely replenishment of those units that are head for replacement."

Reporting by Olena Harmash and Dan Peleschuk; additional reporting by Yuliia Dysa, Pavel Polityuk, Anastasiia Malenko; Writing by Tom Balmforth; Editing by Angus MacSwan

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ime-has-come-changes-top-military-2024-02-08/
 
Russia's goal is to control the Black Sea, they don't need to annex all of Ukraine.

No, they want to control all of Ukraine and then take over Moldova. You're just wrong.

They had Crimea before the war even started and had the only major military fleet in the Black Sea and controlled the largest naval base in the entire region.

This is pure fanfiction coping for loser wannabe fascists like yourself. They tried to takeover Kyiv and failed, lmao.
 
Russia's goal is to control the Black Sea, they don't need to annex all of Ukraine.
That's their goal now, but original goal was to take UKR in a blitzkrieg but didnt pan out for a few different reasons. Now to get Odessa back will be a huge task considering the way warfare is right now for either side, but Putler is all in right now and has no choice but to continue on until Russia "achieves" its goals and that is why Russia will implode before they get annexed land back.
 

Russian war critic Boris Nadezhdin barred from running in presidential election​

PUBLISHED THU, FEB 8 20247:16 AM ESTUPDATED THU, FEB 8 202410:43 AM EST
Holly Ellyatt

  • Russia’s electoral authorities have barred war critic Boris Nadezhdin from running in the presidential election next month.
  • Russia’s Central Election Commission claimed he had submitted too many defective signatures in support of his election bid.
  • The CEC said more than 15% of the signatures did not qualify, but did not present any evidence to back its decision.
Russia’s electoral authorities have barred war critic Boris Nadezhdin from running in the presidential election next month, saying he had submitted too many defective signatures in support of his bid.

Politicians who wish to run in Russian elections must turn in at least 100,000 signatures — or more, in the case of independent candidates — in support of their platform.


Nadezhdin, a former Russian lawmaker and well-known political pundit in Russia, submitted nearly 105,000 signatures last week to Russia’s Central Election Commission, which oversees national elections, ahead of the March 15-17 vote.

The CEC said Thursday that Nadezhdin was not eligible to run because of the high percentage of defects in the voter signatures he collected, according to a Google-translated Telegram post. The CEC claimed more than 15% of the signatures did not qualify, but did not present any evidence to back up its decision.

A working group of the CEC had indicated that a significant number of signatures were defective, and Nadezhdin’s group had signaled that they would appeal the ruling. CEC Chairwoman Ella Pamfilova said Thursday that “the decision has been made,” Russian state-owned news agency Tass reported.

Asked about the CEC’s decision Thursday, Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov said electoral rules were being followed, Reuters reported.

The Kremlin had already sought to limit Nadezhdin’s potential to upset an election in which a win for current Russian President Vladimir Putin is seen as a done deal. Peskov told CNBC last week that “we are not inclined to exaggerate the level of support for Mr. Nadezhdin.”

The decision to bar his candidacy will come as no surprise to close watchers of Russian politics and Kremlin critics.

Political analysts said it was extremely unlikely that a political candidate standing on a liberal, anti-war platform who has garnered a following among a metropolitan section of Russian voters, would be allowed to run in the election. They added that the Kremlin likely feared a potential swell of support for Nadezhdin that it would then have to suppress, as it has done with other political opponents.

Still, analysts have been keen to point out that Nadezhdin is part of Russia’s so-called old school of politicians: a former lawmaker who has been associated over the years with several parties who have backed Putin. Nadezhdin, they noted, was still counted as a member of the “systemic opposition” that exists in Russia to at least present an appearance of political plurality.

For example, Russia’s Communist Party, Liberal Democratic Party of Russia and A Just Russia are part of the systemic opposition which rarely dissents from the Kremlin line on major issues, such as the war.

Nadezhdin was standing as a candidate on behalf of the Civic Initiative political party, under a campaign manifesto that had promoted peace with Ukraine and friendly and cooperative relations with the West, as well as fairer elections and a smaller state. The party, which has not been banned, was co-founded by Ksenia Sobchak, a Russian media personality and dabbler in political affairs, alongside former Economy Minister Andrey Nechayev and Dmitry Gudkov.

Sobchak has at times ostensibly been a part of Russia’s opposition movement, but has long been suspected of being a Kremlin stooge given her family links to Putin. She is rumored to be his goddaughter.

Max Hess, fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and author of “Economic War: Ukraine and the Global Conflict Between Russia and the West,” told CNBC that the Kremlin “seems to have used Nadezhdin as a test balloon to gauge how much liberal opposition there still is within the country, or at least how much it is willing to be public.”

Hess added that Nadezhdin was still “part of the system and very much an element of the controlled opposition” and the political fallout was likely to be minimal for him, unlike other Russian political oppoents who have been jailed or have left the country. Other Putin critics have died in mysterious circumstances.

“Like Sobchak, who was the Kremlin’s controlled-liberal-in-place-of-a-real-liberal candidate in 2018, I expect the fallout for him to be minimal, perhaps he won’t be invited back on state media talk shows for a while but that’s it,” Hess said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/08/rus...adezhdin-barred-from-running-in-election.html
 
That's their goal now, but original goal was to take UKR in a blitzkrieg but didnt pan out for a few different reasons. Now to get Odessa back will be a huge task considering the way warfare is right now for either side, but Putler is all in right now and has no choice but to continue on until Russia "achieves" its goals and that is why Russia will implode before they get annexed land back.
It was always about having control of the black sea and keeping NATO out, which is why they focused on Crimea and Donetsk. And Russia will not implode, their GDP grew by more than 3% last year.
 
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