International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[Devil's_Advocate]

Rough times....

 

[SandisLL]

Believe me I've been frustrated with NATO limp wristed response these three years and in 2014. They've been slow walking everything for over a decade.

Germany finally admitted they've been free riding American military spending all this time and need to get their shit together which is good to see. It is one of Trump's major accomplishments.

Germany still had purchased a lot of U.S weapons for very high prices so it is difficult to tell that they only had some free riding.

However reality was even worse than such idea.
They 1992- 2022 had assumed that there will not be war in europe etc idea.

They had relatively normal fleet and navy, ground forces.

After decided that there will not be war in europe, they opted not increase military spendings....yup since 1992 th in real prices etc...



So ofc ...aviation needs funding, otherwise airplanes will fall on voters and taxpayers heads even in peacetime... ships will sunk and then funeral ceremonies in peacetime etc.

Therefore better is to underfund ground forces...
German military industry had survived during these 30 years only thanks to foreign orders for export in general. Plus had diversified production with branches and sub contractors in other countries...

Before 1992 th Germany had approx 3000 tanks...
In 2022 th they woked up and politicians started to ask about stockpiles, ordered inspect..and debated during months in row, does they have 200 or 300 or 400 tanks in working condition....in Germany.
After this agreed to increase military funding....

 

[SandisLL]

Funny that they in 2021 th assumed that might produce only 3 IRIS-T batteries per 1 year and even these for export btw.
Later woked up and ordered for their own military 6 batteries, delayed deliveries of 3 contracted batteries for Egypt cos ukr stuff and in 2023 th get that they might produce maybe 6-12 per 1 year and rack up production even more than this....

Patriot they doesn't produce cos doesn't have license...

 

[SandisLL]

IRIS-T and NASAMS aren't replacement for AEGIS or Patriot etc.

They does have their own niche in air defense clusters.
Cos air defense should be multi layered not single wunderwaffe.

Literally they are playing role like Buk had for example.
Cruise missiles, airplanes, helicopters etc.


THAAD for example at all isn't capable to deal with targets the same NASAMS or IRIS-T might deal with..plus it is damn cheaper too.

Patriot too isn't used as standalone wunderwaffe...installations also does have the same NASAMS too and also VSHORAD tools.

 

[SandisLL]

If about Iranian drones clones russia is producing, it is shame that european countries are not doing this. They does have technical skills and a lot of factories where it might be done with a glance.... technically 0 problems, motorbikes clones are very simple for european technicians...peace of cake.

Okey, some Poland might had problems only with engines mass production, other stuff is easy..
Germany, Netherlands, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, U.K might produce engines for motorbikes with a glance...these are 20+ y.o mainstream civilian crap level not wunderwaffe....
It isn't F-1 racing car or formula on water racing boats europe had produced with little problems even 30 years ago...it isn't Ferrari for example.

Europe if had political will might had produced even 30000 Iranian drones clones each month with almost 0 problems....

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Quarter of a billion in air defense up in smoke.....ouch...

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Rough times....

And Putler won't even talk about "peace" until his goals are achieved. Does he think his economy can wait until he has taken over his 4 oblasts? Does he know the true story of what's going on and the timeline he's looking at to get these? The man truly is insane and more then willing to end Russia rather then to admit he fucked up .

 

[SandisLL]

Putin wants all Ukraine. This had posted Trump and obiviously Putin had told him this in open text during their conversations ...

While even Putin does knows that they yet doesn't have capacity to incorporate all ukrane in Russia despite they does wants this badly...

Therefore most likely had grewn idea to play game for mainstream media customers that Russia just does wants only 4 oblastjs etc bullshit.

 

[SandisLL]

So " plan " for timeframe till next war in ykraine is to grab some part of ukraine.
Another part ofc should be deNazified by installing pro russoNazis government, de Militarized and turned into russo- american colonium TILL next war in ukraine or something like this.

Obiviously europe doesn't want to support american colonium if U.S doesn't do this..and colonium anyway should be under russia indirectly till complete incorporation in russia de Iure all Ykraine by 100%.
Pump ofc doesn't wants to supervise anyway future russias areas just for short term until russo american colonium part will be all in Russia.

Therefore uncles didn't had negotiated.

War will continue until uncles will negotiate about borders in russo american future colonium called Ukraine.

americans and ukrainians and russians are dreaming that europe is completely stupid not to see real game. ukr even are dreaming that europe maybe will invest for reconstruction of future russia in russo american colonium even 520b€ their voters and taxpayers money. In area de facto russo american colonium project?

 

[aerius]

You are not winning when your capital is on fire every night.

 

[SandisLL]

You are not winning when your capital is on fire every night.

Ofc ukraine isn't winning and especially west never ever will allow this to happen.
Dreamer like you ofc will dream that it is some kind of proxy war etc russian propaganda bullshit. Also you want that ukraine will do anything russia will demand..you are dreaming about this and love Russia a lot.


Unfortunately for ukraine it isn't proxy war at all. Otherwise west had supplied ukr earlier and executed steady plan with supplies.

It is worse for ukraine: russia wants all ukraine, west initially assumed that ukr quickly will fall apart and didn't gave a f*** in reality...just nice talks.

Later, yes, when assumed that ukr will not fall quickly and that they will have xxxxxxx more immigrants and refugees if ukr will get 404, started to supply something a bit. Btw not at all best stuff they had...a bit..something...


Yup, I can't get why ukr politicians wants to join NATO - Ryssias friends and bottlemates? Best air defense for russia is NATO and they also wants to keep Outin in office as long as it will be possible.

Ofc ukr obsession and propaganda about bad nato is suitable for you, russians and ukr too.

West are russia's bottlemates.
Ukr choosed wrong " partners "....
BTW word partner in english is used with intent because it does have xx meanings depending from context and interpretation.....
Not stuff like ally, customer, seller etc more clear terms...

 

[AWilder]

You are not winning when your capital is on fire every night.

Just like Germany famously won WWII

 

[SandisLL]

Theses massive destruction are laughable.
Like something new? Daily stuff since 2022 th.
Media needs $ so loud phrases etc clickbait type stuff...the same like money hungry bloggers.

 

[SandisLL]

normally shit for some western sheeps and russiansis idea that WW2 had won only russia matuska alone.
Not alliance of xx countries plus ukr and russia etc ....ofc no.... these were just useful idiots for russians ofc....

 

[syct23]

...and you think the Ukrainians are the only ones doing that?

Of course not stupid.

 

[Nameless King]

I am so glad we started talking this language, I hope to hear more of it. Heard enough from the scourge, hope they take note of that talk.

 

[Siver!]

I am so glad we started talking this language, I hope to hear more of it. Heard enough from the scourge, hope they take note of that talk.

That's kinda hilarious, and the sort of language the idiot Putin will understand.

Presumably it would be a fairly peaceful annexation, as well, given Russia can't really protect that territory.

 

[Nameless King]

YES!

 

[SandisLL]

That's kinda hilarious, and the sort of language the idiot Putin will understand.

Presumably it would be a fairly peaceful annexation, as well, given Russia can't really protect that territory.

They does have a lot of bunkers etc in this area so even if this wasn't Russia, it will not be easy at all.

However normal real blockade really might be imposed in 1 hour...

At first they are proudly talking in their mass media during 20 years how easily they might breach via Suvalki corridor and Belarus & Russia's military is conducting regular exercises for this.
Threats for mainstram mass media customers.
While communication lines etc are working smoothly... soon might not work even without NATO.

Belarus does have fastest and cheapest optic cables connection with Kaliningrad vos this area, Russia and Holy West too btw.
They even does have electriity transfer line and road traffic too.

To fuck all this up for months to repair is very easy....
BTW a lot of russians in Kaliningrad oblestj are normal despite area is heavily militarized.
They also are recieving natural gas via Baltic Gird .... cos Putin is paying transit fees smoothly.

If to switch this OFF it will not impact military in oblastj but just civilians.

Military supplies for Kalinngrad oblastj mainly are done with civil merchant ships by using 20 ft and 40 ft naval transport containers. This increases security agains possible informants and sattelites might count containers number but doesn't knows what stuff is inside.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

And Putler won't even talk about "peace" until his goals are achieved. Does he think his economy can wait until he has taken over his 4 oblasts? Does he know the true story of what's going on and the timeline he's looking at to get these? The man truly is insane and more then willing to end Russia rather then to admit he fucked up .

A part of me hopes Putin drags out this war. It will cause a collapse of the Russian Federation finally and give many people their freedom finally.