International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[SandisLL]

Russia's GDP growth too is easy to explain: Hitler too had beautiful GDP growth after weak West allowed him to annex Austria and Suddetenland.... Answer why? Money printing machine and bubble with military or indirectly related to military gov contracts.....

 

[Orgasmo]

They've lost "close to 8,800 since the war began."

Did you not even read his post, let alone your own link?

8,800 armored vehicles lost, almost 3,000 of them MBTs.

And the tanks they're replacing them with are literally T-55s from the 50s. They are replacing T-90s with T-55s. lmao

8,800 vehicles in 2 years since Feb 2022, of which roughly 3000 were tanks

Russian arms industry delivered 1500 tanks (both new and refurbished) in 2023 alone. That's not including other types of armor vehicles. They are essentially at replacement rate with their losses. They're still ramping up production at this moment.

You might lmao, but Ukraine certainly is not. It lost more territory to Russia in the last 4 weeks than it gained in 4 months of counter offensive last year. The idea that Ukraine can push the Russians back to 1991 is pure delusion.

 

[Cole train]

There has been a disturbing uptick in RU slaughtering Ukrainians as they surrender. 4th or 5th video I've seen in recent weeks of them doing it.

Separatists i feel

Was some discussion on russian side last year that separatists wont be taking prisoners especially in avdeevka

 

[Cid]

Ah source of cheap laughs returns.

Russia lost 3000 armored fighting vehicles last year according to the link. Let's ignore the fact that a significant portion of armor vehicles disabled in battle are actually recovered and repaired. I'm going to indulge your stupidity by pretending every vehicle lost is blown to smithereens.

They added 1500 main battle tanks into service in 2023, either refurbished from Soviet stockpile (~1200) or new production (~300). That is main battle tanks alone, which only typically comprise of 25% to 30% of total armored vehicles in an army. There are armored personnel carriers (APC), infantry fighting vehicles (IFV), self-propelled guns (SPG), MRAPs just to name a few others you dumb shit.

Now if Russia brought 1500 MBTs into service last year which typically comprise of 25% to 30% of total armored vehicles , approximately how many did they delivered total? That's 6th grade math. Do you need some help with that?

And I welcome you back.

Produce is not restoring. There is a difference hence the usage of different words. They are restoring soviet era junk. They are producing some new stuff.

4/5th of the stuff going to the battlefield is Soviet era junk as per your link.
1/5th is new stuff.

You specifically said it's not crap pulled from a junkyard right here:

This is a bad sign of Ukraine as they will be increasingly fighting newly produced/upgraded Russian hardware as opposed to the crap pulled from Soviet junkyard.

The reality is they are increasingly fighting with crap from the soviet junk yard. This is because 4/5 is larger than 1/5.

The only way Ukraine are fighting more newly produced hardware is if Russia invaded with only 1 in every 6 armored vehicles being pre soviet era.

Anyway, hope this helps. Small word differences make a big difference if used in context.

 

[Orgasmo]

And I welcome you back.

Produce is not restoring. There is a difference hence the usage of different words. They are restoring soviet era junk. They are producing some new stuff.

4/5th of the stuff going to the battlefield is Soviet era junk as per your link.
1/5th is new stuff.

You specifically said it's not crap pulled from a junkyard right here:


The reality is they are increasingly fighting with crap from the soviet junk yard. This is because 4/5 is larger than 1/5.

The only way Ukraine are fighting more newly produced hardware is if Russia invaded with only 1 in every 6 armored vehicles being pre soviet era.

Anyway, hope this helps. Small word differences make a big difference if used in context.

The last American M1 Abrams was produced in 1991. The subsequent deliveries were all upgraded and refurbished chassis from existing stock. I would certainly consider M1A2 SEP to be a brand new tank from the M1A1 it was upgraded from, despite being the same refurbished hull.

Similarly, the current T-72B3 and T-80BVM offers significantly better capabilities that their origins despite utilizing hulls produced in 1970's and 1980's. I would consider those to be new builds.

The only tank being built from scratch in Russian inventory is T-90M at the moment, which they're now churning out at roughly 25 tanks per month.

 

[Hog-train]

The US and Europe really fucked up not giving full military support at the beginning.

Ukrainian forces are sometimes not even firing at targets because they don't have ammunition.

 

[Cole train]

@Strychnine

Whats the rule on posting execution vids from drone point of view? people dying in close quarters was "ok" before atleast when it came to direct combat

Theres quite few coming out lately

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

8,800 vehicles in 2 years since Feb 2022, of which roughly 3000 were tanks

Russian arms industry delivered 1500 tanks (both new and refurbished) in 2023 alone. That's not including other types of armor vehicles. They are essentially at replacement rate with their losses. They're still ramping up production at this moment.

You might lmao, but Ukraine certainly is not. It lost more territory to Russia in the last 4 weeks than it gained in 4 months of counter offensive last year. The idea that Ukraine can push the Russians back to 1991 is pure delusion.

Anyhow, absolute numbers are somewhat irrelevant. Neither Russia, nor Ukraine will launch mass armored attacks anymore. Both failed badly doing this.
Hence it's unlikely Russia will run out of tanks any time soon.

 

[PEB]

The US and Europe really fucked up not giving full military support at the beginning.

Ukrainian forces are sometimes not even firing at targets because they don't have ammunition.

I don't understand Europe problem but recently a number of Countries including people like Estonia have commited to give 850,000 rounds of 155 ammo rounds and precision munition to Ukraine. Europe just pasted a 60 billion dollar aid package to Ukraine even with resistance from Hungary. US is just further damaging their relationships with Europe and Canada over the dysfunction in Washington.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

The US and Europe really fucked up not giving full military support at the beginning.

Ukrainian forces are sometimes not even firing at targets because they don't have ammunition.

What’s worse is Biden told UKR they would see this war through to the end . Now you have the worlds most dangerous man Mike Johnson simply blocking aid himself because if the package that the senate approved went to vote on the house it would likely pass. Something needs to be done about this POS.

 

[Rational Poster]

The last American M1 Abrams was produced in 1991. The subsequent deliveries were all upgraded and refurbished chassis from existing stock. I would certainly consider M1A2 SEP to be a brand new tank from the M1A1 it was upgraded from, despite being the same refurbished hull.

Similarly, the current T-72B3 and T-80BVM offers significantly better capabilities that their origins despite utilizing hulls produced in 1970's and 1980's. I would consider those to be new builds.

The only tank being built from scratch in Russian inventory is T-90M at the moment, which they're now churning out at roughly 25 tanks per month.

There is no upgrade package that exists for the T-55 that brings it inline with an M1A1, let alone an M1A1 with any upgrade packages.

 

[ViD]

First Abrams destroyed today



Also, a NASAMS was destroyed by an Iskander today (although it looks more like a Tornado S strike)



Also, there was a successful strike at the Kanatovo air base destroying at least two Ukrainian MiG - 29

 

[AWilder]

Separatists i feel

Was some discussion on russian side last year that separatists wont be taking prisoners especially in avdeevka

lol right, the "separatists"

 

[Cole train]

lol right, the "separatists"

Care to expand why it would not be possible since they have been in conflict with ukr for 10 years and hate them the most?

Has happened with russians as well but anything avdeevka related theres heavy chance of separatist misconduct

 

[AWilder]

Care to expand why it would not be possible since they have been in conflict with ukr for 10 years and hate them the most?

Has happened with russians as well but anything avdeevka related theres heavy chance of separatist misconduct

"separatists" like Girkin? lmao. The whole narrative of eastern Ukraine having a separatists movement is russian propaganda.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

"separatists" like Girkin? lmao. The whole narrative of eastern Ukraine having a separatists movement is russian propaganda.

There are no ethnic russians that lived in Ukraine fighting against Ukraine? Is that your take?
They are financed by the Kremlin but they're still separatists.

 

[Cole train]

"separatists" like Girkin? lmao. The whole narrative of eastern Ukraine having a separatists movement is russian propaganda.

Nope its not, its just an area that was left pro rus since SU fell, many regions like it in ex soviet countries

I actually know people with separatist ideology and i heard it way before 2014, first time in late 90s when i was a kid

If ideology wasnt there russia could have ran all the weapons there they want and nothing would have happened

 

[AWilder]

Nope its not, its just an area that was left pro rus since SU fell, many regions like it in ex soviet countries

I actually know people with separatist ideology and i heard it way before 2014, first time in late 90s when i was a kid

If ideology wasnt there russia could have ran all the weapons there they want and nothing would have happened

yeah, the ideology was there, the willingness to fight wasnt, which is why russia had to send in guys like Girkin to get people fighting.

 

[Cole train]

yeah, the ideology was there, the willingness to fight wasnt, which is why russia had to send in guys like Girkin to get people fighting.

Well thats up to ones opinion ,If all that was needed was some leadership and weapons for one to fight in a civil war i would feel the will to fight was there since no one would have joined if they had none.

 

[AWilder]

Well thats up to ones opinion ,If all that was needed was some leadership and weapons for one to fight in a civil war i would feel the will to fight was there since no one would have joined if they had none.

im pretty sure girkin and former "separatists" even spoke about them being forced to fight.