International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[SandisLL]

about putistan times ...there is one real reason that they in reality doesn't care nor about russia nor ukr.
Their main audithory cares about India, China, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
From other countries maybe some interest about stuff like U.S, U.K, Japan, a little bit about EU ( a bit ).
So about rus and ukr for them doesn't makes sense in general.
Therefore chaper conent creators = better for business. This ofc helped to turn this into putistan times.
With content creators more kemlinoids than indian elite might be even in dreams... ..

 

[San Marino]

This map shows what territories Russia controlled after the Ukrainian counter offensive of 2022 in which ~40 000 square kilometers were retaken. So you posted yet another lie hoping you won't be fact checked. You were.

Damn!
You are as dumb as your friend @DEVILsSON and have now also lost all credibility.
Here is the map again. Look closely:
See there. Go left to right. February 2022, November 2022, and April 2025.
Again, see there on the first box: February 23, 2022. See there on the last box: April 1, 2025.
Is that less territory than what Russia had the first weeks of fighting in 2022? According to @DEVILsSON.
In your map, look at what it shows for Russian control and Russian attacks but do not control. Two different things. Your map is from March 12, 2022.

Right now Russia controls less territory than in the first weeks of the full scale war.

Two idiots claiming that I am wrong when I am clearly right. Yeah, I fact checked you.
You two idiots get so excited trying to prove a point you misread what has been written and the meaning of it.
For sure if not one, both of you have English as your second language.
Who is the liar now bright boy?

 

[SandisLL]

Nah, fuck that. Supporting that "coup" was 100% the correct moral choice.

They voted for more integration into Europe, their "leader" did his best to fuck them over in the name of Russia.
He's lucky to have escaped with his life, should've been lynched

Stuff about coup is posted by chatbots and paid trolls & russian chauvinists - nationalists and some delusional unskilled rednecks.

Supreme lawmaker institution in Ukraine is supreme parliament ( Rada ) and no one had kicked them out.
Ofc russians are really scared that they had ceased to pay oligarch alcoholic and gambler yanukoffoich salary after 8 months in row he prefered to love alco more than his duties as president...
Sometimes might be too much to travel around and use alco 8 months in row and demand salary and keep his post on paper.

Crybabies crying about lazy and money hungry hardcore laziness etalon.

Coup according to useless in real life parasites : propagandists and paid trolls.
Why not, trolling might bring $ in pocket.

 

[SandisLL]

Ofc money hungry narcomans, toxicomans and alcoholics, gamblers and other kind of trash are crying.

Protests started because oligarch had vetoed trade ( not eurintegration ) deal with EU.

Ofc majority of trolls are narcomans, toxicomans, alcoholics and gamblers living in dreams and debts...
Small portion just imperialists and parasites in real life...

So internet and copy paste in order to earn for a living. Daily bread. 24/7/365.

 

[pseto223]

Two idiots claiming that I am wrong when I am clearly right. Yeah, I fact checked you.
You two idiots get so excited trying to prove a point you misread what has been written and the meaning of it.
For sure if not one, both of you have English as your second language.
Who is the liar now bright boy?

Right now Russia controls less territory than in the first weeks of the full scale war.

That's what DEVILsSON wrote. The full scale war started in February 24, 2022. You're showing a map from February 23, 2022.

 

[Rholk]

"Older Western systems don't have a high succes rate against hypersonic missiles, the West is doomed in case of a conflict with Russia!"

meanwhile, Russian airdefense against airtractors a fucking thousand miles inside of Russia :

 

[SandisLL]

"Older Western systems don't have a high succes rate against hypersonic missiles, the West is doomed in case of a conflict with Russia!"

meanwhile, Russian airdefense against airtractors a fucking thousand miles inside of Russia :

From one point looks that ukr talks about their wunderwaffes were mainly PR stuff.

From another point situation for russia despite us loves them a lot...isn't good at all.

Ukr most likely manages to snake in russia and assemble in russia and launch from russia cheap, simple drones converted to carry payloads....
This is yeah....KGB and air defense in russia does work well.

Obiviously to launch from Ukr unnoticed isn't easy because russia had even relocated from other areas a lot of different radars, had installed a lot of " listening stations " and stations with thermals etc in order to monitor airspace in areas close to frontline and Ukr.

They even uses ground radars and acoustic listening stations, thermals and optic stations in order to detect possible diversion groups etc....

Therefore easier to hit targets in russia is if drones are launched from....russia...better from area at least 50 miles from frontline...

 

[cincymma79]

Nah, fuck that. Supporting that "coup" was 100% the correct moral choice.

They voted for more integration into Europe, their "leader" did his best to fuck them over in the name of Russia.
He's lucky to have escaped with his life, should've been lynched

Maybe a better answer would’ve been to split theountry where they vote instead of us staging a coup and getting millions dead/injured? Maybe we could stop killing people for a year or two

 

[San Marino]

The full scale war started in February 24, 2022. You're showing a map from February 23, 2022.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

In your map, look at what it shows for Russian control and Russian attacks but do not control. Two different things. Your map is from

I think that is clearly a significant issue, the early weeks of the war Russia pushed forward very aggressively potentially looking to force some kind of collapse of agreement well in their favour but those positions were most likely never strongly defensible. When a quick victory was no possible and they knew they were going to be dealing with counter attacks I'm guessing they fell bac to more defensible positions.

 

[pseto223]

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I didn't even hear one "Thank you" for teaching you that in English, "in the following weeks" of something happening doesn't mean the day before something happening.

 

[Cid]

 

[Strychnine]

"Older Western systems don't have a high succes rate against hypersonic missiles, the West is doomed in case of a conflict with Russia!"

meanwhile, Russian airdefense against airtractors a fucking thousand miles inside of Russia :

You mean to tell me...

That a FREAKING Cessna made 1000 miles INTO Russia, was never shot down, and it STILL hit its target?!?!

Yeah, Poland could SOLO Russia. I have zero doubt about that now.

 

[aerius]

I think that is clearly a significant issue, the early weeks of the war Russia pushed forward very aggressively potentially looking to force some kind of collapse of agreement well in their favour but those positions were most likely never strongly defensible. When a quick victory was no possible and they knew they were going to be dealing with counter attacks I'm guessing they fell bac to more defensible positions.

Correct. There are also other reasons such as logistics & lack of supplies along with not wanting to tie down forces occupying hostile land. There's an interesting piece written by a team including Lt. Gen. Paul K. Van Ripper which was published in the Marine Corp Gazette back in 2022 which goes into more detail on the early stages of the war. I'll post a couple excerpts but I strongly recommend reading the whole article.

A Former US Marine Corps Officer's Analysis of the Ukraine War

In addition to being a physical struggle, war is both a mental contest and a moral argument.

imetatronink.substack.com

In 2022, the many battalion tactical groups that moved deeply into northern Ukraine during the first few days of the Russian invasion made no attempt to re-enact the occupation of Leipzig. Rather, they bypassed all of the larger cities in their path and, on the rare occasions when they found themselves in a smaller city, occupation rarely lasted for more than a few hours. Nonetheless, the fast-moving Russian columns created, on a much a larger scale, an effect similar to the one that resulted from Chernyshev’s raid of 1813. That is, they convinced the Ukrainians to weaken their main field army, then fighting in the Donbass region, to bolster the defenses of distant cities.
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One way to resolve this apparent paradox is to characterize the raids of the first five weeks of the war as a grand deception that, while working little in the way of direct destruction, made possible the subsequent attrition of the Ukrainian armed forces. In particular, the threat posed by the raids delayed the movement of Ukrainian forces in the main theater of the war until the Russians had deployed the artillery units, secured the transporting network, and accumulated the stocks of ammunition needed to conduct a long series of big bombardments. This delay also ensured that, when the Ukrainians did deploy additional formations to the Donbass region, the movement of such forces, and the supplies needed to sustain them, had been rendered much more difficult by the ruin wrought upon the Ukrainian rail network by long-range guided missiles. In other words, the Russians conducted a brief campaign of maneuver in the north in order to set the stage for a longer, and, ultimately, more important campaign of attrition in the east.

The stark contrast between the types of warfare waged by Russian forces in different parts of Ukraine reinforced the message at the heart of Russian information operations. From the start, Russian propaganda insisted that the “special military operation” in Ukraine served three purposes: the protection of the two pro-Russian proto-states, “demilitarization,” and “denazification.” All three of these goals required the infliction of heavy losses upon Ukrainian formations fighting in the Donbass. None, however, depended upon the occupation of parts of Ukraine where the vast majority of people spoke the Ukrainian language, embraced a Ukrainian ethnic identity, and supported the Ukrainian state. Indeed, the sustained occupation of such places by Russian forces would have supported the proposition that Russia was trying to conquer all of Ukraine.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[aerius]

You mean to tell me...

That a FREAKING Cessna made 1000 miles INTO Russia, was never shot down, and it STILL hit its target?!?!

Yeah, Poland could SOLO Russia. I have zero doubt about that now.

It's called partisans, this has happened a few times already where Ukrainian partisans have launched drones from within a few miles of their targets inside Russian territory. They assemble the drone in a barn or forest around 10-20 miles from the target and fly it in from there. It's hard to stop because the damn things pop up in the middle of nowhere and there's only so many places you can defend. A Cessna doesn't have a 1000 mile range, it can't hit the target if it was launched from outside Russia.

 

[Strychnine]

It's called partisans, this has happened a few times already where Ukrainian partisans have launched drones from within a few miles of their targets inside Russian territory. They assemble the drone in a barn or forest around 10-20 miles from the target and fly it in from there. It's hard to stop because the damn things pop up in the middle of nowhere and there's only so many places you can defend. A Cessna doesn't have a 1000 mile range, it can't hit the target if it was launched from outside Russia.

Oh, and they also made it out of stealth material smuggled in from Northrop-Grumman? Why wasn't it shot down or detected on radar?

Too many "potato rations" administered?

Spoiler

 

[San Marino]

I didn't even hear one "Thank you" for teaching you that in English, "in the following weeks" of something happening doesn't mean the day before something happening.

If you phrase it like that, it means exactly that. It also depends on the context of the phrase.
As in: "In the following weeks of something happening, something else happened."
Also: "In the following weeks of the Russian invasion, Russia already controlled Ukrainian territory."
The best way to phrase it would be: "In the following weeks after something happened."
English 101 for the uneducated or foreign student.

Right now Russia controls less territory than in the first weeks of the full scale war.

In the first weeks (plural - that could mean 2 weeks or 5 weeks) of the invasion, Russia controlled less territory than it does now. That statement would be false. Russia already controlled Ukrainian territory on the 23rd of February 2022 before the invasion. On the 9th of March 2022 (two weeks into the invasion), Russia controlled less territory than it did on 4 April 2025. Hence the two maps I showed you.

* Also: In the statement: "I have over $100 dollars." Could mean that you have $101 dollars, $300 dollars, or more.

 

[San Marino]

In other words, the Russians conducted a brief campaign of maneuver in the north in order to set the stage for a longer, and, ultimately, more important campaign of attrition in the east. -- None, however, depended upon the occupation of parts of Ukraine where the vast majority of people spoke the Ukrainian language, embraced a Ukrainian ethnic identity, and supported the Ukrainian state (west Ukraine). Indeed, the sustained occupation of such places by Russian forces would have supported the proposition that Russia was trying to conquer all of Ukraine.

I mentioned this exact scenario maybe 150 pages back. I never thought the Russian primary goal during the opening of the invasion was to conquer Kiev. What Putin wanted was the eastern part of Ukraine. ...and I still don't think Putin wants all of Ukraine.

 

[Devil's_Advocate]

Damn!
You are as dumb as your friend @DEVILsSON and have now also lost all credibility.
Here is the map again. Look closely:
View attachment 1089700 See there. Go left to right. February 2022, November 2022, and April 2025.
Again, see there on the first box: February 23, 2022. See there on the last box: April 1, 2025.
Is that less territory than what Russia had the first weeks of fighting in 2022? According to @DEVILsSON.
In your map, look at what it shows for Russian control and Russian attacks but do not control. Two different things. Your map is from March 12, 2022.

Two idiots claiming that I am wrong when I am clearly right. Yeah, I fact checked you.
You two idiots get so excited trying to prove a point you misread what has been written and the meaning of it.
For sure if not one, both of you have English as your second language.
Who is the liar now bright boy?

Definitely triggered. You really thought I'd be wasting time going through each bullshit article or map you posted? No thanks. I already pointed out the out of date article you posted about Toretsk when maps change daily. Though Russians have made minor progress there in the last couple days so I guess you'll claim your broken clock article from a month or more ago as some victory.

That's what DEVILsSON wrote. The full scale war started in February 24, 2022. You're showing a map from February 23, 2022.

That's all he does. I don't even spend brain power talking to him. He just wastes your time. He asked me for several examples of his lies. The fucking guy posted an article about Toretsk just days ago which was from more than a month ago and which was laughably wrong. Although Russians have made some minor progress in the last day or two there again so he'll no doubt declare some sort of victory.