International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[Cartiac]

How the war will end is between the US and Russia and it seems clear the US wants no military role in the post settlement world, hence the EU in panic mode and Starmer insisting on an “American backstop” which I don’t think he’ll get .

Ok, I see what you meant, but that is kinda my point. EU is terribly embarrassing since everyone in the world knows they aren't going to do anything much less put troops in Ukraine to fight against Russia. But just like the EU, the US has no reason to go to battle even politically with Russia over this.

Even if the US wanted to end the war what grounds would we even stand on to begin asking Russia to sign a peace agreement when the Ukrainian President rejected the US compensation deal and repeatedly expressed delusions dictating his demands the US and Russia need to meet.

 

[Boxiana]

Ok, I see what you meant, but that is kinda my point. EU is terribly embarrassing since everyone in the world knows they aren't going to do anything much less put troops in Ukraine to fight against Russia. But just like the EU, the US has no reason to go to battle even politically with Russia over this.

Even if the US wanted to end the war what grounds would we even stand on to begin asking Russia to sign a peace agreement when the Ukrainian President rejected the US compensation deal and repeatedly expressed delusions dictating his demands the US and Russia need to meet.

It’s not about fighting Russia but how the post war “peace” is handled.

If by compensation deal you mean the mineral rights, my understanding was that Zelensky was ready to sign until that shitshow in the Oval Office, but I agree that Zelensky has tried to overplay his hand, but was else is he supposed to do?

Back when they were still friends, Trump said “He has no cards but he’s playing them well” which sums it up nicely.

 

[Cartiac]

It’s not about fighting Russia but how the post war “peace” is handled.

If by compensation deal you mean the mineral rights, my understanding was that Zelensky was ready to sign until that shitshow in the Oval Office, but I agree that Zelensky has tried to overplay his hand, but was else is he supposed to do?

Back when they were still friends, Trump said “He has no cards but he’s playing them well” which sums it up nicely.

How is it not about fighting? They have been literally fighting a war for 3 years now. How do you handle post war "peace" without handling the active war part first?

Yes, I am referring to the minerals deal and I guarantee President Trump and Vice President Vance shared your understanding which is why they were there all together in the Oval Office in front of live media. We are talking about extremely serious war negotiations. No one in their right mind starts any type of conflict in that situation, what about that meeting could possibly give you the thought that Zelensky intended to sign the deal they were there to do?

What fake news outlet did you get that completely false quote from? That is not anything close to what Trump said. Are you in China or somewhere preventing you from just watching the video of the meeting? There are a thousand videos most not ever very long showing what was actually said. All you did was sum up your blatant ignorance.

 

[SandisLL]

Ok, I see what you meant, but that is kinda my point. EU is terribly embarrassing since everyone in the world knows they aren't going to do anything much less put troops in Ukraine to fight against Russia. But just like the EU, the US has no reason to go to battle even politically with Russia over this.

Even if the US wanted to end the war what grounds would we even stand on to begin asking Russia to sign a peace agreement when the Ukrainian President rejected the US compensation deal and repeatedly expressed delusions dictating his demands the US and Russia need to meet.

Compensation deals ,LOL.

Btw europe does think that for this mesh responsible are anglo saxonians and yanks.


Europe didn't nothing etc....bla bla bla bla.

Blatant lies and the sooner U.S will piss off out europe the better will be their future. Eurasian Empire. Actually good idea.

 

[Boxiana]

How is it not about fighting? They have been literally fighting a war for 3 years now. How do you handle post war "peace" without handling the active war part first?

Yes, I am referring to the minerals deal and I guarantee President Trump and Vice President Vance shared your understanding which is why they were there all together in the Oval Office in front of live media. We are talking about extremely serious war negotiations. No one in their right mind starts any type of conflict in that situation, what about that meeting could possibly give you the thought that Zelensky intended to sign the deal they were there to do?

What fake news outlet did you get that completely false quote from? That is not anything close to what Trump said. Are you in China or somewhere preventing you from just watching the video of the meeting? There are a thousand videos most not ever very long showing what was actually said. All you did was sum up your blatant ignorance.

First paragraph - there is no way any western nation is joining the fighting. That was my point.

Second paragraph - because he was there to sign the minerals deal. Zelensky played it extremely badly, but it also looked like he was ambushed, by Vance in particular (and the “journalist” who asked him about his suit).

Third - it’s an old quote, hence why I said “when they were friends”. But thanks for then abusing me.

 

[SandisLL]

Ha ha, ofc U.S now is isolationist dreamers land. North Korea is Russia's strategic partner, then their best friends are Belarus and Iran, then China ofc... they all might sit and laugh to watch how U.S is loosing their global impact day by day.

From today's point looks that XI slowly might prepare to pressure Taiwan more...more and more and why not? North Korea accidentally might fire some shells on SK or lost control drone might appear....

Again will be the same reaction I guess....

 

[Strychnine]

 

[Badr Hari]

Ha ha, ofc U.S now is isolationist dreamers land. North Korea is Russia's strategic partner, then their best friends are Belarus and Iran, then China ofc... they all might sit and laugh to watch how U.S is loosing their global impact day by day.

From today's point looks that XI slowly might prepare to pressure Taiwan more...more and more and why not? North Korea accidentally might fire some shells on SK or lost control drone might appear....

Again will be the same reaction I guess....

Useful idiots think they eventually become friends when they raise their usefulness level. Idiots will stay idiots no matter how useful they are in service

 

[Cartiac]

First paragraph - there is no way any western nation is joining the fighting. That was my point.

Second paragraph - because he was there to sign the minerals deal. Zelensky played it extremely badly, but it also looked like he was ambushed, by Vance in particular (and the “journalist” who asked him about his suit).

Third - it’s an old quote, hence why I said “when they were friends”. But thanks for then abusing me.

So back to my original question, with no possibility of any western nation fighting for Ukraine why does Russia stop?

If he was there to sign the minerals deal he would have signed it, what he did was make a fool of himself thinking creating a scene "standing up" to Trump would gain him sympathy support selling out his country to put a little more money in his pocket from selling tshirts.

Then cite a source for that quote or anything to back "when they were friends". From my memory, Trump was never friends with Zelensky it was quite the opposite with Trump cutting off funding to Ukraine due to lack of trust that they are not massively corrupt.

 

[curryjunkie]

How is it not about fighting? They have been literally fighting a war for 3 years now. How do you handle post war "peace" without handling the active war part first?

Yes, I am referring to the minerals deal and I guarantee President Trump and Vice President Vance shared your understanding which is why they were there all together in the Oval Office in front of live media. We are talking about extremely serious war negotiations. No one in their right mind starts any type of conflict in that situation, what about that meeting could possibly give you the thought that Zelensky intended to sign the deal they were there to do?

What fake news outlet did you get that completely false quote from? That is not anything close to what Trump said. Are you in China or somewhere preventing you from just watching the video of the meeting? There are a thousand videos most not ever very long showing what was actually said. All you did was sum up your blatant ignorance.

Ok tankie..










Or should I say plankie..

 

[Badr Hari]

- several sources have confirmed that the entire ukr grouping in sudzha pocket isn't more than 5000 (most of their forces and technique has already been displaced from there to Donbass)

- western and russian sources have confirmed ukr is planning a total retreat from the pocket

- rus advanced in three villages last night and in the north of cherkaskoe porechnoe today

- but there are rumors that russians used a transportation gas pipeline that goes from far away and gathered in the inside of sudzha town itself. Ukr knew beforehand about the tactic from their own intel. Let the russians to do an accumulation on the surface and then pretty much destroyed the grouping. I know something similar worked for the russians in Avdiivka last year but if it is confirmed that they tried this in Sudzha as well it is a tactical disaster. You were going to eventually take the place conventionally, why take such a risk? Later tonight and tomorrow things will get more clarified

 

[SandisLL]

. From my memory, Trump was never friends with Zelensky it was quite the opposite with Trump cutting off funding to Ukraine due to lack of trust that they are not massively corrupt.

Actually from this " funding " then part had signed exactly Trump.
Then Trump even had signed re export permits for ATGM launchers ...stuff Obama didn't had opted to do.

Okey, later Trump had stopped some fundings.

I think that this was good for Ukraine.
Life is more safe and better quality without any " funding " from U.S.

However if about today, U.S looks that more and more is closer with some kind Vietnam 1973/1974 for Ukr.

Maybe Ukr really might woke up and get reality.

I think better for them is to tell that they doesn't need anything from U.S.
This will be for long term safer for them.
More happiness and better life.

 

[Badr Hari]

Regarding the success of Ukr in Toretsk. It really is not that much the genius of AFU as it is the classical mistake in Rus ranks to report exhaggerated successes before they are achieved. Here is a russian blogger's take on what actually happened:

What happened in Toretsk. As far as I can judge from a conversation with the military, the following happened: a newly arrived unit was assigned a section of the front in the city, saying that our unit was stationed there, which was giving up its position to them on a rotational basis. In fact, there were never any of ours there, and the leadership was misled for the sake of reporting. The arriving fighters, being confident that they were occupying the positions of their comrades, moved to the designated place, where instead of ours, they were met with heavy fire by the Khortytsia unit of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, one of the most trained, well-coordinated and well-armed units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. As a result, our unit suffered serious losses.

 

[SandisLL]

- several sources have confirmed that the entire ukr grouping in sudzha pocket isn't more than 5000 (most of their forces and technique has already been displaced from there to Donbass)

- western and russian sources have confirmed ukr is planning a total retreat from the pocket

- rus advanced in three villages last night and in the north of cherkaskoe porechnoe today

- but there are rumors that russians used a transportation gas pipeline that goes from far away and gathered in the inside of sudzha town itself. Ukr knew beforehand about the tactic from their own intel. Let the russians to do an accumulation on the surface and then pretty much destroyed the grouping. I know something similar worked for the russians in Avdiivka last year but if it is confirmed that they tried this in Sudzha as well it is a tactical disaster. You were going to eventually take the place conventionally, why take such a risk? Later tonight and tomorrow things will get more clarified

In Avdiivka them helped gliding bombs and they even risked to use CAS type stuff with Su 25 too.

They had some kind of minefields and mines, damn a lot , mainly USSR era production, therefore a lot.

Russia had found that waste water treatment installation discharge pipelines there are with large diameter and not full with s*** completely.
Therefore they had silently sent small groups with pro soldiers, then sent more and more.
L

Looks that Ukr had noticed this only after more than 150 soldiers already had appeared behind frontline....

 

[Boxiana]

So back to my original question, with no possibility of any western nation fighting for Ukraine why does Russia stop?

If he was there to sign the minerals deal he would have signed it, what he did was make a fool of himself thinking creating a scene "standing up" to Trump would gain him sympathy support selling out his country to put a little more money in his pocket from selling tshirts.

Then cite a source for that quote or anything to back "when they were friends". From my memory, Trump was never friends with Zelensky it was quite the opposite with Trump cutting off funding to Ukraine due to lack of trust that they are not massively corrupt.

Because Russia is hurting from the war and if Trump offers carrots (lifting sanctions, resuming trade) and some sticks (heavier sanctions) and forces Ukraine to accept the territorial losses, that might seem like a good exit for Putin.

Like I said, Zelensky played it badly in the Oval Office but it you think it was only down to him, then you seem a little blinkered. Have you watched the full 50 minutes?

“Friends” was just a way of saying before the relationship deteriorated.

 

[Boxiana]

- several sources have confirmed that the entire ukr grouping in sudzha pocket isn't more than 5000 (most of their forces and technique has already been displaced from there to Donbass)

- western and russian sources have confirmed ukr is planning a total retreat from the pocket

- rus advanced in three villages last night and in the north of cherkaskoe porechnoe today

- but there are rumors that russians used a transportation gas pipeline that goes from far away and gathered in the inside of sudzha town itself. Ukr knew beforehand about the tactic from their own intel. Let the russians to do an accumulation on the surface and then pretty much destroyed the grouping. I know something similar worked for the russians in Avdiivka last year but if it is confirmed that they tried this in Sudzha as well it is a tactical disaster. You were going to eventually take the place conventionally, why take such a risk? Later tonight and tomorrow things will get more clarified

It’s going to be hard for Ukraine to hold Russian territory without any satellite imagery…

 

[Badr Hari]

It’s going to be hard for Ukraine to hold Russian territory without any satellite imagery…

Rus sources are convinced US is still giving Ukr intel, despite the mediatic show. So far only Maxar has confirmed it stopped giving Ukr data. But they could still be getting images from elsewhere or illegally.

 

[Corona]

Goatnald about to brutalize Russia, no doubt in my mind.

 

[Boxiana]

Rus sources are convinced US is still giving Ukr intel, despite the mediatic show. So far only Maxar has confirmed it stopped giving Ukr data. But they could still be getting images from elsewhere or illegally.

I’ve never been a soldier, but I hear they always assume the worst.

 

[Cid]