International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

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[SandisLL]

It is expected that assasinations will be average daily culture norm in Russia's bireucracy and business circles during next years. History does have tendency to repeat and early 1990 ies are coming back in Russia. Ofc more polished solutions will be used.

We will not be able to tell who is responsible.
There might be some from most common reasons...
Business concurence, internal concurence for lucrative posts, simple revenge, KGB or mafia or maybe mafia....we will not know.

Assasinations were casual cultural norm as tool to solve problems in late 1980 ies and in 1990 ies....it is nothing special, just casual business...

 

[San Marino]

This is nonsense and you even admitted that the real reason it all started was the naval port in Crimea.

I never said that - the port in Crimea. You are confusing me with someone else.
This all started with Ukraine's push for NATO membership. 31years since its independence without a major war with Russia. If Russia wanted to keep Ukraine, it would have done so in 1991.

You can wave the nuclear war flag as if it's not a 1000th attempt by Russia or you to scare everyone into submission. By your logic Russia should conquer the entire world or else...you know they will nuke everyone...

Russia will never use a nuke over Ukraine much like China will never use a nuke over Taiwan. Two countries that are not worth wasting a nuke over. France, Britain, Germany, and Italy are a different matter. The US will never use a nuke over Ukraine or Taiwan. Two countries that are irrelevant and not worth a 3rd World War or a nuclear war.

Soviet Union only won the war thanks to Land Lease from the Americans. While Soviets paid in blood, lets not kid ourselves, without American support Russia would have lost.

Did you really just say that?
How did the Americans help the Russians during Napolean's French invasion?
It is not American help that saved the Soviet Army from a German invasion, it was the winter of 1941-42. Operation Barbarossa.

Nukes have limited military uses and capability. It is not some magic tech that will magically accomplish every objective.

Yes under normal president US would defend Taiwan per the agreements. Whether Trump would do it is another question.

The United States has maintained unofficial defense ties with Taiwan. The TRA requires the United States to have a policy to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character. It does not say the US would go to war against China. The TRA does not guarantee the US intervening militarily if China attacks or invades Taiwan. Any decision to defend Taiwan will be made with the consent of Congress.

 

[Rational Poster]

I never said that - the port in Crimea. You are confusing me with someone else.
This all started with Ukraine's push for NATO membership. 31years since its independence without a major war with Russia. If Russia wanted to keep Ukraine, it would have done so in 1991.

Russia will never use a nuke over Ukraine much like China will never use a nuke over Taiwan. Two countries that are not worth wasting a nuke over. France, Britain, Germany, and Italy are a different matter. The US will never use a nuke over Ukraine or Taiwan. Two countries that are irrelevant and not worth a 3rd World War or a nuclear war.

Did you really just say that?
How did the Americans help the Russians during Napolean's French invasion?
It is not American help that saved the Soviet Army from a German invasion, it was the winter of 1941-42. Operation Barbarossa.



The United States has maintained unofficial defense ties with Taiwan. The TRA requires the United States to have a policy to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character. It does not say the US would go to war against China. The TRA does not guarantee the US intervening militarily if China attacks or invades Taiwan. Any decision to defend Taiwan will be made with the consent of Congress.

Ukraine was not applying to join NATO, they were not applying to join the EU. They wanted to enact trade policy so maybe eventually they might be considered for EU membership.

Russia declared war over Ukraine's EU trade policy, stop lying.



Also, Operation Barbarossa was the German invasion that started June 1941 and concluded by that December.

The Soviet counter offensive was Operation Uranus in November 1942, hope this helps. And again you're wrong, the American and British lend lease programs were absolutely vital to the Soviet's survival. More than half the medium tanks that defended Moscow in 1941 were American. We provided them more boots and clothing than they had soldiers. We provided more than half of their copper and explosive materials. They literally would not be able to make ammunition without foreign intervention. We gave them steel lathes they didn't have the technology to produce on their own. To downplay American and foreign assistance to the Soviets in WW2 is completely ahistorical. Hundreds of thousands of tons of explosive materials, millions of of tons of gasoline, hundreds of thousands of trucks, train cars, tanks and airplanes, over 4 million tons of foodstuff, over a billion buttons. We have the records, lmao.

 

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[Strychnine]

The Russian command is now instructing its new troops to just "freeze" when they hear a drone.

This isn't Jurassic Park, and a drone isn't a T-Rex (standing still has been debunked anyway). They need to run for their lives.

 

[SandisLL]

Ukraine was not applying to join NATO, they were not applying to join the EU. They wanted to enact trade policy so maybe eventually they might be considered for EU membership.

Russia declared war over Ukraine's EU trade policy, stop lying.



Also, Operation Barbarossa was the German invasion that started June 1941 and concluded by that December.

The Soviet counter offensive was Operation Uranus in November 1942, hope this helps. And again you're wrong, the American and British lend lease programs were absolutely vital to the Soviet's survival. More than half the medium tanks that defended Moscow in 1941 were American. We provided them more boots and clothing than they had soldiers. We provided more than half of their copper and explosive materials. They literally would not be able to make ammunition without foreign intervention. We gave them steel lathes they didn't have the technology to produce on their own. To downplay American and foreign assistance to the Soviets in WW2 is completely ahistorical. Hundreds of thousands of tons of explosive materials, millions of of tons of gasoline, hundreds of thousands of trucks, train cars, tanks and airplanes, over 4 million tons of foodstuff, over a billion buttons. We have the records, lmao.

There is also one thing heavily contributed for defeat of Hitler.
Allies role here always had been denied and russians does have their own history version btw...tailored to brainwash plebs ...

Hitler simply get crazy and attempted to swallow more than he was capable to achieve.

He had war vs U.K where he had been forced to use a lot of fuel and aviation& navy resources...
He also had installed occupation forces in Denmark, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium and part of France.
All this needed to be controlled and ofc again soldiers, police, gestapo etc.
Ofc all this needed to use transport and fuel.

With this for Hitler wasn't enough.
Hitler had occupied most important areas in Norway. And due to long distances between occupied areas Hitler needed a lot of fuel and considrerable navy and aviation resources...

Craziness doesn't have borders and Hitler jad ordered to install occupation forces in North Africa ..Jesus...

Obiviously for all this resources weren't sufficient for long term for such ambitions.

More than this, Hitler had ordered 3 main attack vectors vs USSR.
1. To establish control in Donbas mining region ( to liberate coal and iron ore mines ofc ) AND to establish control for Baku oilfields in Azerbaijan...
2. To do huge punch vs St Pete
3. To do the same with Moscow....

 

[SandisLL]

All these dictators sooner or later had get into mad mode.
Imperialistic Japan initially had ambitions " just " to control northern China and Korea...
However pretty soon they started to dream about total physical control in all Pacific....
With this was not enough and most ambition was dream to control ...area from India till all China and Korea, dreams to occupy countries from India and Australia till China, Korea and Mongolia, to turn Hawaii islands into total wreck in order later to install occupation forces....

 

[SandisLL]

There ofc I do know that average MAGA voter is thinking that europe is poor village with almost naked cavemans despite europe is largest U.S trade partner in order to have jobs and profit for U.S population. All white so called americans are european origin occupants and fortune seekers offsprings.

When I have to read russian excuses and propaganda I have literally to laugh about their kinder garden level designed for dumb idiots plebs.
Europe more than 1500 years in row had wars as regular daily norm, part of culture and part of society fundament. Including occupations, colonisation and ....skills to generate excuses .... russia is kinder garden if compare with reality for europe 1500 + years in row....

Ofc after World War I and diesases after this plus Great Depression europeans switched to earn with businesses more and invest lesser resources in wars and occupations.

They even had slowly changed church doctrines from blessing crusades and witch courts till modern approach....

Still we should know that they aren't something like Kurds No2 for their offsprings dreaming in U.S...about isolationism and prosperous life with total ignorance about economic reality we do have in this ...real world.

 

[SandisLL]

Average MAGA guy most likely loves matushka and doesn't knows a bare fk about history.

Ofc they doesn't gave any bare s t about Molotov Ribentropp pact with secret protocols and maybe loves Russia.

One from factors why USSR was capable to hold Hitler's offense and U.S & U.K had damn a lot of problems in Pacific and Stalin didn't had moved bare finger in Pacific despite get generous lend lease....
Was reality that Stalin in 1939 th had ordered to negotiate with Japan non aggression pact.

Therefore Stalin in 1941 th was capable to send a lot of troops and conscripts from Siberia to easter european frontlines...
And Japan was capable to fight war vs Allies without fear that USSR might attack Japan.
Only when Stalin saw that Allies had crushed Japan and Japan's defeat is not awoidable, he declared war vs Japan...only then...and mainly in order to grab some peace of Korea and to get oppprtunity to inject communism ideology loyal to USSR in...China
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[SandisLL]

We are now hiring a lot of propaganda designed for mainstream plebs done by Ukr, Rus and maga....lying is holy ethalon.

For example Ukraine during 32 years in row had contributed to damage Russia was able to do on Moldova.

Real life that spearatists in Transistria had calmed down and went into mainly lazy half lethargic mode. While they had kept control in some Modova's areas de facto.

Due to location Russia was able to supply these separatists during 32 years in row ....because Ukraine allowed this to happen.
For this reality are responsible all presidents UKR HAD since 1992 th and including Zelensky too. Because sorry, Kremlin does pays transit fees....money is God.
Not only all Ukr presidents are responsible for this but also their ruling coalitions in Rada ( Supreme Parliament ) and almost all ministers Ukr had during last 32 years...

So today we should hear dreams from Ukraine and demands and hope that we will pay for reconstruction and a lot of dreamers in U S that we are Kurds No2 and idiots born to be dumb till end of life.

Because Transistria separatists had calmed down in 1992 th and this area does have huge % of civies ...we were not able to use force in Transistria...
Next step we might had did was opportunity to implement trade blockade de facto.
There Ukraine prevented this to happen because $ is their God.
Slava $ .... and Moldova might be thankful for 32 years transit for Transistria via Ukraine. SLAVA $ ....

 

[Bagatur]

The Russian command is now instructing its new troops to just "freeze" when they hear a drone.

This isn't Jurassic Park, and a drone isn't a T-Rex (standing still has been debunked anyway). They need to run for their lives.

And everyone in the Russian command probably served for decades. Reminds you of someone?

 

[SandisLL]

If about dreamland for idiots about Sevastopol stuff...Ukr didn't had tools to kick Russia out of Sevastopol even if russia didn't had nukes... it is most fortieified area in Ukraine with huge investments done 1945-1992 and after 2008 th.

More than this: in 2010 th Putin, Medvedev and Shoigu togehter with Patrushev had recognized that Crimea and Sevastopol is Ukraine.
They had prolonged rent agreemet for naval base in Sevastopol and defined payments schedule for period 2010-2020 th ....and this wasn't final term at all. Just for payments schedule.

Ukr recieving smooth payments and constantly deMilitarizing de facto despite loud PR talks...definitely wasn't real threat for Matushka, pretty opposite, the longer time gone, the more deMilitarizied Ukraine was....if we see real life not Ukr PR talks....and dreams.

 

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UK, Denmark vow to ‘disrupt and deter’ Russia’s shadow fleet

Western naval nations have vowed checks on a network of ageing tankers that may be helping Putin circumvent sanctions and fund his war effort. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

 

[SandisLL]

I do know that pro ukr guys doesn't loves sharp critique for Ukraine despite Ukraine was responsible for de facto done during 32 years deMilitarization de facto.

For just one example : Ukraine successfully managed to abadon SCUD launchers and missiles programme and had let them to accumulate dust and rust in basements.
Instead they had opted for 5 years plus loud PR talks about new wunderwaffe Hrym missile. While in reality we have today to see begging for old ATACMS models etc.
Approx the same story was with Vilkha MRLS, where we during 5 years had to see some specimens in parades and had to hear damn a lot of loud talks and PR... despite reality that now they are begging even for old MRLS from other countries.
For this reality directly are responsible both Poroshenko and Zelensky + their administrations living in dreams.......real sharp truth we have to see. This small peace of reality is just beginning to start see idiotism level Ukr had demonstrated 32 years in row by doing actual deMilitarization and a lot of empty talks. Unfortunately this is just small peace of big puzzle....

 

[SandisLL]

Now for example Ykr are begging for anti tank and anti infantry mines.

Ukr had all potential to manufacture these damn a lot for low price and for them to manufacture such stuff was peace of cake even 50 years ago.

Who is responsible? Zelensky ....as chief of armed forces and president.
Before this was Poroshenko and before this Poroshenko other " beauties " in long row....32 years in row nothing had changed, just worse and worse reality.