International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V15

[scoopj]

Great movie with a cameo by the late, great, B.B. King.

"Would you gentlemen care for a Pepsi?!?"

Great movie indeed.

“Doctor.”
“Doctor.”
“Doctor.”
“Doctor.”
“Doctor.”

 

[Strychnine]

Great movie indeed.

“Doctor.”
“Doctor.”
“Doctor.”
“Doctor.”
“Doctor.”

"Annnnnnd Doctor."

 

[GhostZ06]

 

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[HOLA]

It will be hard for Putin to spin this one. The strongman image is hard to maintain when the country you're invading invades you and takes over 400 square miles of your territory.

 

[calavera2]

If I shoot a gun at you and you you grab some other guy and use his head to catch the bullet. Who killed him?

You can't be serious. Your analogy doesn't follow the events in Ukraine. It's well established though that when you shoot a gun the shooter is responsible for anything it strikes in front of or behind the target

 

[GoldenWolf87]

Lindsey Graham wouldn’t know the truth about Ukraine if it fell out of a hypersonic missile, landed in an a.k. 47 and fired itself directly into Putin’s ass.


Nothing makes me more sure about the U.S. moral position in Ukraine than seeing that Lindsey Graham doesn’t have a clue what it is.

This senator is a WarHawk Crazy.
This Ukraine's Incursion Into Russia will cost Ukrankian manpower.

 

[GhostZ06]

lol @ putler


you know its bad if UA airforce is operating over russia

 

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[SandisLL]

It will be hard for Putin to spin this one. The strongman image is hard to maintain when the country you're invading invades you and takes over 400 square miles of your territory.

Sure. Russian mentality is like 15 y.o HS bully lying when talking. Hypocryte , always lying and cocky bully....

One thing is if some prisoners or pros had dies, no one in reality will gave a f**, especially if foreigners or minorities from remote areas....

Another thing is to see drone in Kursk, Moscow, Voronez....

Next limit might be when Putin will start to send conscripts from Moscow to deNazify Ukraine and coffins will arriwe in Moscow....

Thus far Putin had managed to avoid disappointment in Moscow by hiring prisoners and pro contractors...
You had job and get paid, now are disabled? Piss off and cope, poor idiot... such approach.

While when they will start to send 19 y.o mandatory service conscripts from Leningrad, Moscow, then ....it will be end for Putin .....

Additionally he can't declared war because then loans contracts ....does have fm clauses and borrowers might stop to pay. So bailout procedures for commercial banks....in row....

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Tbf the Ukrainians want to fight, the West is just arming them to do so

Not the ones who grew up in households with 2 decent cars. The poor ones fight the wealthier ones run.

 

[GhostZ06]

if American politicians would be this fucking cool

 

[SandisLL]

Ukraine had relocated enginnering machinery, I.e trenches digging machinery...
IF they will manage to dig a lot of trenches and install minefields .....then to kick them out from areas in Kursk oblastj will be costly stuff.

Ukr also had asked to supply anti tank mines etc stuff.
Unlike with F-16 some 2-6 old jets versions....about this there are little talks.
Europe will deliver some batches and Biden most likely this month will deliver at least 60000 arty shells designed to plant anti tank mines....for distance minelaying small special operations.

 

[deviake]

Whatever side of this you're on, however you feel about the US giving Ukraine aid, obviously the US government sees a strategic benefit to helping Ukraine, whatever that is.

Meow don't cry about Ukraine aid if you support aid to Israel and have no issues with them cucking our government.

 

[Osculater]

Why don’t you answer the question instead of projecting? It’s pretty straight forward…Ukraine’s leader is literally Jewish too so your weird take that “we are funding the nazis” is indeed retarded.

Both sides have Nazis so it should cancel that out

 

[Osculater]

Ukraine makes bank, U.S.A. makes bank, and Russia makes none.

 

[CorninginChristianburg]

It's a feint, and I agree with your point, but the message to Russia is clear: they've got a lot of border that they need to start defending, and if they're pretending that's not going to affect man power, they're lying to themselves.

Which, to be fair, isn't unusual.

But they can't be complacent about their own border any longer.

For sure. And I think, from the Russian perspective, they're probably under-committing troops in the rotation right now.

From the Russian perspective, rotating any troops out of the Chasiv Yar/Pokrovsk axis would be essentially a tacit admission that the Ukrainian offensive has been a success. But as they've this far failed to even stop the offensive, much less to reverse it, I think they'll slowly have to start pulling in more and more troops. I think they would probably deplete the troops on the Kharkiv front (which, to be clear, they will not need to do that to achieve the desired effect) before rotating out of Donetsk.

Regardless, I think if Ukraine is able to execute a timely, orderly withdrawal, this operation will have been a resounding success. Even if the upper limit of the invasion size (15k) is to be believed (I think it is not), it will be a low commitment move that will force a significant reaction from Russia. Clearly, rotating a dozen battalions or so is insufficient to address the threat from the Russian perspective. How significant, remains to be seen, but if the invading force retreats intact then they can rest and reconstitute while troops from the Kharkiv front rotate down to Donetsk. As you suggest, Russia may also need to change its force allocation ratios, and also it s material deployment ratios.

That's without mentioning all the collateral stuff that factors in, despite not being tied directly to military performance. Over 100k people having to evacuate their homes is pretty significant. Also, after a few months of, let's be real, pretty dismal headlines, this is a nice story to bring in front of potential western backers, who might be on the fence about future Ukrainian support.

This opinion will be unpopular here, and I get it, because I too am wildly excited at this recent development. But if I was Ukraine, I would be very cautious about throwing in significant resources into Kursk. What makes this move so ingenious right now is that it's very low committal. A way to turn a great situation into a bad situation very quickly would be to throw a bunch of resources at the Kursk front in an attempt to seize a lot of territory which, let's be real, Ukraine doesn't need nor intend to keep. And then get cut off, encircled, or held up in a bloody and costly conflict where the ratio of losses becomes unfavorable.

 

[Cid]

If I shoot a gun at you and you you grab some other guy and use his head to catch the bullet. Who killed him?

What drugs are you on?

And can you hook me up?

 

[PEB]