International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[Goonerview]

You don't remember the Cuban missile crisis. It was 60 years ago. You weren't even born.



I love the logic system you China/Russia chuds employ:

America did this bad thing x decades ago.

Therefore it is OK for China/Russia to do this bad thing now and if America disagrees they're hypocrites.


Like times don't fucking change.



"Yeah, Russia and China have decided to go enslave a couple million people but America also had slavery 160 years ago so we should just let it slide"

After all hypocrisy is worse than the slave trade....

I’m literally not saying any of that at all.

Strawman post.

 

[Cid]

I’m literally not saying any of that at all.

Strawman post.

It's exactly what you're doing.

You're just too dumb to recognize your own hypocrisy.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I mean considering losses heres something to ponder

This is an artillery war where most casualties come via artillery, one side has had artillery fire rate of about 3x to 5x compared to another through entire conflict so it would seem logical whos taking more casualties

Ukrainian manpower issue is being reported all over currently, heres even defence minister saying it

That’s a massive oversimplification of things and it’s not going to give you the real answer

 

[Blayt7hh]

You don't remember the Cuban missile crisis. It was 60 years ago. You weren't even born.



I love the logic system you China/Russia chuds employ:

America did this bad thing x decades ago.

Therefore it is OK for China/Russia to do this bad thing now and if America disagrees they're hypocrites.


Like times don't fucking change.



"Yeah, Russia and China have decided to go enslave a couple million people but America also had slavery 160 years ago so we should just let it slide"

After all hypocrisy is worse than the slave trade....

That guy is a real doofus. Essentially his stance always revolves around America being the bad guy. The Cuban missile crisis thing is not even close to the same issue

 

[The XL]

You don't have to look very far if you want to find examples of the immorality of the US government. Two of their biggest allies are Israel and Saudi Arabia. The American government and the powers that be that run them couldn't give two shits about human live, sovereignty, or whatever else.

 

[PEB]

Big Rumor:
"The Brits have signaled that they may send troops to Ukraine if EU or US cannot come up with a deal. They apparently are tired of the lack of coming to some kind of deal to aid Ukraine. That is pretty stunning if this is not a BS rumor. Something along these lines anyways."

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www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[PEB]

Abramovich Pledged $3 Billion for Ukraine War Victims. The Money Is Frozen in the U.K.​

 

[Cid]

You don't have to look very far if you want to find examples of the immorality of the US government. Two of their biggest allies are Israel and Saudi Arabia. The American government and the powers that be that run them couldn't give two shits about human live, sovereignty, or whatever else.

Goddamn Soros at it again!

 

[Cid]

That guy is a real doofus. Essentially his stance always revolves around America being the bad guy. The Cuban middle crisis thing is not even close to the same issue

I dunno, IIRC he had pretty strong opinions on immigration in America and their need to retain their culture.

While living in a country he wasn't born in.

I think he's just a chode.

 

[Cid]

 

[ferrisjso]

Have you seen the loses they have taken and are still taking in Avdiivka? It's insane and for a few KM...do you really think they will take back the 4 annexed regions?

Unless the Ukranian military collapses no but they will get some of Kharkov to compensate.

 

[SandisLL]

Russia is open to the negotiations under Russian terms. I don’t see where you heard otherwise.

Russia doesn’t need to conquer Ukraine, how many times do I have to repeat myself, Russia needs to achieve their political goal - Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporizhie, and then continue the war of attrition. Eventually there will be a military or civil revolt against Zelensky and some one more adequate will step in and negotiate.

Putin had told in open text that Odessa is Russian city.
However I might surprise you that relatively high % of mullahs are thinking that Crimea is Muslim World.
Therefore Putin most likely will be forced to cede some part of Crimea to Muslim World and negotiate with muslim world about this.

Funny how Kiev had founded Moscow and muscovites institution per SE in core and after this muscovites during 600+ years are attempting to subjugate Ukraine while real Russians are Ukrainians not Muscowites.

 

[Goonerview]

It's exactly what you're doing.

You're just too dumb to recognize your own hypocrisy.

Re-read my posts. I’m not saying that at all.

To bullet point my positions:
- China and Russia do not necessarily have to be enemies of the west.
- We can peacefully coexist with mutual respect and open dialogues.
- Under Trump, we had 4 years of just this, open dialogues, respect, no needless provocations.

The democrats and Biden fundamentally view Russia and China as enemies that need to constantly be undermined.

Trump did not and we had 4 years of peace.

 

[SandisLL]

ECB will start assessment process how to help Ukraine in....February 2024 th......damn bad news for Ukraine.
The same looks that will be with supposed next instrument 50 b bill in EU.

Warrant letters for loans Ukr are expecting to get in January from EU countries aren't yet signed too.
Ukr wants that EU/EEZ countries should sign warrant ( guarantee ) letters for Ukr supposed next loans from IMF, EBRD, WB, IBRD and other financial institutions...

Additionally also macro financial assistance bill for January 2024 th injection portion isn't signed......
These are monthly money portions Ukr needs in order not to get default de facto....

 

[SandisLL]

Re-read my posts. I’m not saying that at all.

To bullet point:
- China and Russia do not necessarily have to be enemies of the west.
- We can peacefully coexist with mutual respect and open dialogues.
- Under Trump, we had 4 years of just this, open dialogues, respect, no needless provocations.

The democrats and Biden fundamentally view Russia and China as enemies that need to constantly be undermined.

Trump did not and we had 4 years of peace.

I agree U.S in general should accept that there will be new world hegemons and actually I think that for Europe better is to be friends with Iran, NK and China and accept that U S is done deal.....
Russia and Ukraine btw too are done ....long ago.

 

[SandisLL]

I think that last fatal de facto Zelensky administration failure was after successful Kharkov etc stuff they started to talk that they will need xxx b EUR for reconstruction.

As eurozone taxpayer I don't agree that my tax money will be used to rebuild Ukraine and looks that EU Realpolitik is the same therefore better is to let Putin annex more UKr lands in order to save their electorate ......

Therefore obiviously Ukraine had did dozens of fatal mistakes during 30 years in row. In all fields from defense ( loud talks and actually de Militarization done with vigor ) till finances.


Ukr should had to keep agenda: Russia supported by Iran and North Korea and Belarus is attacking us, please help Ukraine ASAP.
While Zelensky administration had added to this that we should bear expenses for supposed reconstruction....

I don't agree that we should pay more than 100b EUR for Ukr reconstruction .....

So my stupid opinion also is reality what Ukr is getting today from EU.

 

[Videer]

Oh lawd some of the replies lately have been stupid. But muh 5 bilioon artillery shells.

 

[Cole train]

That’s a massive oversimplification of things and it’s not going to give you the real answer

Not really, we dont know whats the kill rate between troops outside artillery is, all we do know is that artillery plays the biggest role in casualties, that has been established since last year summer.

Sheer fact that ukr is under constant mobilization says something is wrong


But i might be wrong, opinions are like assholes and every retard has one

 

[SandisLL]

West had threw Ukr under the bus, only Huelensky can't admit reality...they even never needed to see Ukr win.

According to colonel Gregson during war in general sanctions didn't had impacted Russia's ability to produce weapons and ammunition while there aren't proofs that they managed to boost up production...expect Lancet type stuff. While Belarus and Iran together with North Korea are boosting up support for Russia, West is reducing and delaying support for Ukraine .....months in row...


Russia had started regrouping procedure that might indicate that there is possibility that Russia will attempt some kind of big push.....

Ukraine is starting to limit artillery rounds and mortars ammo usage for a reason....

 

[SandisLL]

Not really, we dont know whats the kill rate between troops outside artillery is, all we do know is that artillery plays the biggest role in casualties, that has been established since last year summer.

Sheer fact that ukr is under constant mobilization says something is wrong


But i might be wrong, opinions are like assholes and every retard has one

The same is for Russia while ....Putin had started to think how to use mobiks according to their previous work and military experience & education. Long road for Ukr to start think.

Russia also is allowing to maintain PMC Redut and other stuff like this and are using Storm Z units with prisoners etc type of ppl.....