International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[Anewt]

Think that's mainly because of a couple of reasons:

-the big difference in the nature of the fight. The war in Ukraine is largely a conventional army vs conventional army. (with some obvious exceptions)
While the war in Gaza is an conventional force vs insurgents/terrorists who attempt, and succeed, to use the civilian populations as human shields in an effort to maximize civilian casualties and thus bad PR for Israel

-The official number of civilian deaths in Ukraine is likely alot higher than the official number. What the true number is is a bit of a mistery, but just looking at the number from the siege of mariupol:
UN:1348 Russian: 3K+ Ukrainian 30K+

Siege of Mariupol - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-The "official" number from Gaza is coming from Hamas itself (even the UN doesn't deny this). And for the record, i don't think anyone can blame the UN as an organisation for having to go along with it. I doubt they get to choose.
The weird thing is, 10.000 casualties, all civilian ofcourse, not more than a few confirmed Hamas terrorists have been killed. You're free to believe what you want ofcourse.
To put it mildly that number should be taken with a grain of salt.

That doesn't mean there isn't a tragedy going on for civilians in Gaza ofcourse, they are living in a hell on earth and alot of innocent people are dying.

Oh without a doubt there's no accurate information. ( well if there is its impossible to tell which is accurate) so for all intents and purposes it's unknown.

I don't think the war is that different personally. The techniques that ( rightfully imo ) are loudly and publicly denounced by most people of all ideologies that hamas is using ( weapons in hospitals schools etc ) are fucked up.

But they are exactly what Ukraine utilised that had plenty of posters decrying Amnesty as putin shills for pointing out the war crimes being committed by Ukraine.

I'm just dumb founded by the hypocrisy. Also quite frustrated at 2 years of propaganda of how evil and genocidal Russia and Putin are yet the blind eye that frustrated me at the beginning ( conditions and condoning of evil shit like saudi arabia and Yemen and other atrocities caused by western war industry ). We Decry Russia based on " morality " ( yet our actions show a complete lack of morality )

 

[Hog-train]

But they are exactly what Ukraine utilised that had plenty of posters decrying Amnesty as putin shills for pointing out the war crimes being committed by Ukraine.

War crimes by Ukraine? It's Russia that is doing that. How delusional are you?

 

[Blayt7hh]

Did they put a map of the Russian-controlled territoy of Ukraine in that video?

Why would he do that? Everyone following his videos knows the situation. Is it just to assuage your butthurt?

 

[Anewt]

War crimes by Ukraine? It's Russia that is doing that. How delusional are you?

Of course Russia is by far committing the more heinous warcrimes. ( in terms of rus/ukr. ) This doesn't mean amnesty international lied nor is a putin shill in regards to military amongst civilian buildings. Nor does it mean Ukraine hasn't committed war crimes. Just like the Israel Hamas situation. All sides are committing warcrimes , seems to be a pretty standard response in times of war.

 

[Wetarmpits]

I will add some background info to ex us spec ops stuff above since i find analysis provided in book interesting in topic why ex green berets were so well suited for this type of foreign volunteer stuff over other guys

So author interacted mainly with ex rangers, ex seals, problem with these 2 groups were that they were a bit too much like a rockstar or primadonna, basically thought too much of themselfs.

In international enviroment with god knows how many nationalities this type of behaviour raised some pulses and emotions. Yeah you can shoot wings of a fly but nobody likes you which is a problem in this kind of enviroment.

Ex Green berets on the other hand, had training in foreign cultures and how to act in foreign enviroment. They managed to lessen amount of conflicts due to communication/culture reasons and made units more united as a team due to their ability in communication.

When arriving on third rotation, author writes that ex green beret guys were gone and amount of arguing between nationalities had gone up.

Interesting shit in my opinion since communication skills is usually overlooked in military stuff.

(Random note i find it hilarious when author is in bad spot he starts running a list of "what person x would do in this situation" and one of these persons is dan henderson lol, author used to spar with him)

Noone likes fake machismo american tool bravado nowhere. No suprise these guys had problems outside their little echo chamber.

 

[Rholk]

Ukraine blows up 2 railway connections between Russia and China

Kyiv’s saboteurs strike deep in enemy territory, with Russian media reporting that authorities are investigating it as a terror attack.

www.politico.eu

Don't know if this has been posted yet.
But with the conventional war grinding to a halt (in terms of territory anyway), could we see an influx of insurget tactics/strikes by UA?

Wouldn't be a terrible move at this point with how terribly costly recent attempts at offensives have been for both sides.
All in on reinforcing the UA defensive lines, while hoping sabotage and attrition will make Russia's position in occupied parts untenable.

If the west decides to heavily invest in Ukrainian insurgents striking in Russia itself, it'd be a considerable pain in the ass for Russia.

 

[SandisLL]

It is rumoured that Ukraine does have

Ukraine blows up 2 railway connections between Russia and China

Kyiv’s saboteurs strike deep in enemy territory, with Russian media reporting that authorities are investigating it as a terror attack.

www.politico.eu

Don't know if this has been posted yet.
But with the conventional war grinding to a halt (in terms of territory anyway), could we see an influx of insurget tactics/strikes by UA?

Wouldn't be a terrible move at this point with how terribly costly recent attempts at offensives have been for both sides.
All in on reinforcing the UA defensive lines, while hoping sabotage and attrition will make Russia's position in occupied parts untenable.

If the west decides to heavily invest in Ukrainian insurgents striking in Russia itself, it'd be a considerable pain in the ass for Russia.

Yeah.
Main problem for both sides are minefields.
Both countries does have very huge stockpiles with anti tank and anti infantry mines, also are using IEDs on industrial scale and complicated bobby traps.

Also to dispress mines are used MRLS systems like Grad and Uragan ( they does have wide variety with different mines models, some are specially designed as cluster ammo manufactured in order to distribute anti tank or anti infantry mines ).
Dear Lord, number of different mines and IEDs in Ukraine is creating real hell......it is very difficult to deal with them .....

 

[SandisLL]

Europe.
Austria soon will make decision about possible financial assistance for Ukr for 2024 th.
They will discuss some 300+ pages with different documents, in total 95 supposed bills.
& Ukrainians should know reality: Austria in reality doesn't want to see Ukraine in EU. Talks doesn't matter any bare thing. Them doesn't likes EU expansion and IF then ...they better will accept Albania rather than Ukraine.

While if about this war, they were more helpful than Hungary.
Unlike Hungary, Austria allowed weapons transit for Ukr.....since first day of war. A lot of Ukrainians doesn't know this reality.

 

[curryjunkie]

Why would he do that? Everyone following his videos knows the situation. Is it just to assuage your butthurt?

meme thread isnt working at the moment, so all the chuds are wandering about stinking up threads..

 

[SandisLL]

Orban.
Ukraine never will be nor in EU nor in NATO during timeframe when Orban will have power in Budapest and cos simple reason.
Complicated things sometimes are in reality plain and simple.
When Orban had talks with Aliev, he told phrase: " we have land border with Russia." Mr Aliev looked confused and there was moment of silence.....Orban continued with phrase; Ukraine is Russia..
So get reality.
Approx like Lavrov in India. Lavrov told that Russian Federation never had invaded any foreign country. When he was asked about Ukraine he had simple answer: Ukraine is Russia.
There we easily might see how useless will be any treaties and contracts with Russia for Ukraine in long term.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Wtf




How many civilians have been killed in Ukraine?
At least 10,000 civilians, including more than 560 children, have been killed and over 18,500 have been injured since Russia launched its a full-scale armed attack against Ukraine on 24 February 2022, the United Nations Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine (HRMMU) said today.21 Nov 2023

What is the civilian death toll in Gaza?
By 20 November, a total of 13,000 civilians had been confirmed killed in Gaza since 7 October according to Palestinian health authorities in the strip – regarded reliable by UN agencies. However, other sources set the number significantly higher.6 days ago

Ukraine blows up 2 railway connections between Russia and China

Kyiv’s saboteurs strike deep in enemy territory, with Russian media reporting that authorities are investigating it as a terror attack.

www.politico.eu

Don't know if this has been posted yet.
But with the conventional war grinding to a halt (in terms of territory anyway), could we see an influx of insurget tactics/strikes by UA?

Wouldn't be a terrible move at this point with how terribly costly recent attempts at offensives have been for both sides.
All in on reinforcing the UA defensive lines, while hoping sabotage and attrition will make Russia's position in occupied parts untenable.

If the west decides to heavily invest in Ukrainian insurgents striking in Russia itself, it'd be a considerable pain in the ass for Russia.

I agree that would be the most realistic thing for UKR to do at this point. No major offensive push would be worth the loses of men and equipment. But to build strong defensive lines while using drones long and short range, long range missiles to hit key logistic hubs, ammo and oil depots etc. Also the use of RC machine guns is great just mowing down the meatwalls with not having to risk a single soldiers life is big.
That destruction of that tunnel is huge and very costly just like every other factory and key targets they hit .Like you said the cost of trying to win this war for Putler is really untenable but Russia being Russia they will soldier on until they collapse.
If UKR can keep their loses minimal as possible they will likely never be forced to "Negotiate" will Putler.

 

[SandisLL]

Latvian parliament ( it is like Congress and Senate together )had get budget bill for 2 Nd voting session ....
They needs 3 positive voting sessions in order to accept budget otherwise they will work on provisional budget.
This means that each month they will need 3 voting sessions in order to approve budget for next month and this is real nightmare.

First version is with aid for ukr, next is without this listed in bill and then only emergency funding might be used to help ukr.

 

[SandisLL]

I agree that would be the most realistic thing for UKR to do at this point. No major offensive push would be worth the loses of men and equipment. But to build strong defensive lines while using drones long and short range, long range missiles to hit key logistic hubs, ammo and oil depots etc. Also the use of RC machine guns is great just mowing down the meatwalls with not having to risk a single soldiers life is big.
That destruction of that tunnel is huge and very costly just like every other factory and key targets they hit .Like you said the cost of trying to win this war for Putler is really untenable but Russia being Russia they will soldier on until they collapse.
If UKR can keep their loses minimal as possible they will likely never be forced to "Negotiate" will Putler.

RC also is possible for 30 mm and 40 mm automatic grenade launchers.....
Will see how it might work in real life. Because even IF Ukr claims about 1000-1200 Russian KIA cases on daily basis are reality .....sadly Putin still does have money and huge propaganda resources usable to hire ppl....therefore lack of meat Russia will not feel at least till end of February 2024 th.

 

[Hog-train]

IDK how the hell all of Europe isn't stepping up big time to help Ukraine as much as possible.

Russia is literally the only reason they even have militaries. It's been their #1 threat for decades.

 

[PEB]

IDK how the hell all of Europe isn't stepping up big time to help Ukraine as much as possible.

Russia is literally the only reason they even have militaries. It's been their #1 threat for decades.

What else oh I know oil and natural gas and Germany. They are still buying oil in some NATO countries from Russia there is a balancing act in their eyes.

 

[Cole train]

IDK how the hell all of Europe isn't stepping up big time to help Ukraine as much as possible.

Russia is literally the only reason they even have militaries. It's been their #1 threat for decades.

Anyone bordering Russia doesnt want to risk their own stuff too much

Anyone not bordering Russia is underequipped already thanks to demilitarization and armies mainly exist for peacekeeping stuff

 

[Hog-train]

Anyone bordering Russia doesnt want to risk their own stuff too much

Anyone not bordering Russia is underequipped already thanks to demilitarization and armies mainly exist for peacekeeping stuff

Poland can kick the shit out of them by themselves IMO.

 

[Cole train]

Poland can kick the shit out of them by themselves IMO.

With weapon deliveries like in ukr might have a shot

 

[PEB]

 

[SandisLL]

What else oh I know oil and natural gas and Germany. They are still buying oil in some NATO countries from Russia there is a balancing act in their eyes.

Germany actually does have a lot of natural resources and Poland too. Each from these countries in reality does have not lesser coal and salt resources than Ukraine had with it's 2013 the borders.
Problem is about " too low supply with cheap workforce and crying about " we are worried about climate change ".. .while all this war creates more CO2 than we might imagine...additionally also minefields, looks that harvest might be really healthy....sadly.

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Anyway Germany now had found some balls and together with Netherlands had signed drilling permit for one project. It will not be able to compensate all demand ofc, still if it will reach peak it will be 2 bcm natural gas per 1 year....

Also in reality if we are talking about real life, Germany and Poland and Estonia should remove mining quotas.
For Germany and Poland it will be coal mining quotas and for Estonia oil shale mining quotas: they does have largest oil shale mines and oil shale powered power plants in .....
just Europe should act like China: develop renewables and energo effectivity solutions plus to use local fossil fuels too and gave fuck about Greta's......