International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[SandisLL]

EU does have tradition to invite to attend summit in person if they had decided to accept country in EU.
With Zelensky they decided not to invite attend summit in person.

Obiviously Ukraine doesn't have ability to read diplomatic signals.
To talk with them is like to talk with wall.

All this started long ago, in early 1990 ies Vitautas had told them: don't reduce number of tanks, sooner or later you will need them.
Outcome: Ukraine had reduced their tanks stockpile from approx 4200 main battle tanks to ....lesser than 900.

Gabriel had told them that they will not receive roadmap to prepare to be NATO candidate IF they will apply in 2008 the and they will be ...
Again nothing here to listen.


Ukraine also had ignored advises to refubrish Kub and S-125 complexes, to install new ammo factory after separatists took factory in Luhansk.....
8 years in dreams and begging for 7,62 mm ammo as outcome.....

 

[ViD]

Pultler: Comrades I said the special operation would be over in 4 days I was wrong. I am almost out of cannon fodder/meat wall bodies, please allow more of your sons an daughters to be used.

Moscow residents don't worry I will just send FSB into Western Russia to drag out future meat wall bodies. Thank you for your conscription an you will have a beautiful body bag waiting for you.

The whole “3-4 day” thing actually came from an American general yet you clowns keep repeating it like Putin said it himself

 

[PEB]

Thank you EU for stepping up they remember Nazi Germany an Russia nuclear fear. We know now Ukraine is lost to the US as a business partner. They develop some of the most advanced hardware, software an sitting on vast land for food, natural gas an oil.

ExxonMobil oil deals dead no doubt, military hardware contracts dead advance jet engine work dead "Fun fact Ukraine developed the powerful engines for Turkish advanced fighter jet gone.

EU stepped up before US in time of Ukraine need. But Jugheads in Congress will never agree to any deal before elections. Because Trump said so.


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BRUSSELS (AP) — The European Union failed to agree on a 50 billion-euro ($54 billion) package in financial aid that Ukraine desperately needs to stay afloat, even as the bloc decided Thursday to open accession negotiations with the war-torn country.

The aid was vetoed by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, delivering another tough blow to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy after he failed this week to persuade U.S. lawmakers to approve an additional $61 billion for Ukraine, mainly to buy weapons from the U.S.

The start of accession talks was a momentous moment and stunning reversal for a country at war that had struggled to find the backing for its membership aspirations and long faced obstinate opposition from Orban.

Hungary’s leader decided not to veto the

 

[SandisLL]

There are instruments capable to by pass Orban's decision because Hungary doesn't have EUR as National currency..
Hungary can't impact eurozone decisions and if ECB will agree, then ....even 60 or 100b might be printed ..

Bad thing for Ukr is that looks that EU wants to postpone decisions about macro financial assistance till January...
Ukr foreign currency reserves are declining 4 months in row and weapons & ammo supplies are declining as had been predicted. While Russia is getting more and more support from Belarus, Iran and North Korea.

 

[Goonerview]

The whole point of arming Taiwan to the teeth is so that it remains a status quo. Make it so painful and hard to conquer Taiwan, that it's not worth the risk - the porcupine strategy.

Selling weapons is one thing, sailing warships along the coast of China and through the Taiwan straights is provocation.

You may argue that it’s “international waters”, but If the Chinese sent warships around Hawaii or along the coast of California … it would be seen as highly provocative, perhaps even an act of war.

 

[SandisLL]

Selling weapons is one thing, sailing warships along the coast of China and through the Taiwan straights is provocation.

You may argue that it’s “international waters”, but If the Chinese sent warships around Hawaii or along the coast of California … it would be seen as highly provocative, perhaps even an act of war.

Elect Donald and you will be below Pakistan after this.
You will do this and most likely you don't understand Realpolitik at all. As average MAGA guy.

 

[SandisLL]

Taiwan and SK are most important chips suppliers in world and " village " Europe according to some MAGA shills is most important litography machinery producer ......
Poor, stupid etc .....
Isolationism and MAGA yelling.

" We will continue to discuss GI bills and healthcare problems for vets next year.". Donald ...MAGA.

 

[curryjunkie]

Bro, you could feed the homeless in downtown SF from the safety of San Jose with these bad boys.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/Yq96vaHKeM

Just think how far you could throw kitchen towel with a howitzer!

 

[Darkballs]

Selling weapons is one thing, sailing warships along the coast of China and through the Taiwan straights is provocation.

You may argue that it’s “international waters”, but If the Chinese sent warships around Hawaii or along the coast of California … it would be seen as highly provocative, perhaps even an act of war.

I'll never understand cowardly logic like this. You timid posters always apply this to dictators. The standard being, if we piss them off, we must be in the wrong.

You don't put international waters in quotation marks. The sea between China and Taiwan IS international waters, by any working definition of the term. China doesn't take routine trips off the coast of Hawaii because they lack the capacity to fuel their ships that far without a major undertaking of their fleet to refuel along the way. But it would still be within their right to do so, so long as they didn't some within our waters.

Bottom line, these are the laws the world bodies in question agreed to. So why abandon them just because someone's provoked? Do you never ask them simple question: "Are they in the wrong to take this as a provocation?" Apparently not.

For a group that insists we must elect republicans because they are tough on China, Russia, etc.; you guys sure do want to bend over for them all the time.

 

[Videer]

Roketsan UMTAS ATGM with some wings and a propeller instead of rocket motor and a SZ-6 demolition charge results in a frankenloitering munition.

 

[Goonerview]

I'll never understand cowardly logic like this. You timid posters always apply this to dictators. The standard being, if we piss them off, we must be in the wrong.

You don't put international waters in quotation marks. The sea between China and Taiwan IS international waters, by any working definition of the term. China doesn't take routine trips off the coast of Hawaii because they lack the capacity to fuel their ships that far without a major undertaking of their fleet to refuel along the way. But it would still be within their right to do so, so long as they didn't some within our waters.

Bottom line, these are the laws the world bodies in question agreed to. So why abandon them just because someone's provoked? Do you never ask them simple question: "Are they in the wrong to take this as a provocation?" Apparently not.

For a group that insists we must elect republicans because they are tough on China, Russia, etc.; you guys sure do want to bend over for them all the time.

You have a smooth brain if you think the Chinese send a fleet of battleships around Hawaii and the US military say “hey, it’s still international waters, bro” …

 

[SandisLL]

I'll never understand cowardly logic like this. You timid posters always apply this to dictators. The standard being, if we piss them off, we must be in the wrong.

You don't put international waters in quotation marks. The sea between China and Taiwan IS international waters, by any working definition of the term. China doesn't take routine trips off the coast of Hawaii because they lack the capacity to fuel their ships that far without a major undertaking of their fleet to refuel along the way. But it would still be within their right to do so, so long as they didn't some within our waters.

Bottom line, these are the laws the world bodies in question agreed to. So why abandon them just because someone's provoked? Do you never ask them simple question: "Are they in the wrong to take this as a provocation?" Apparently not.

For a group that insists we must elect republicans because they are tough on China, Russia, etc.; you guys sure do want to bend over for them all the time.

Russia is China's vassal supported by North Korea, Belarus and Iran .....
This is reality and while Russia is dreaming about world hegemony, China, India, Brasil etc are " milking " Russia dry by imposing their own rules for sales contracts ......literally to purchase cheaper and to sell for higher price than before war.......while accumulating weapons and ammunition s stockpiles, gold and foreign currency reserves and ....doesn't waste their manpower plus additionally unlike Russia are getting foreign investments......and increasing foreign reserves.

Literally BIC and Co are happy for each day this war is done.

China does have ambitions to subjugate Russia and ofc to use North Korea and Iran & Co to bully west indirectly........
Russia too is happy with North Korea, Assad, HAMAS, Iran and nice Lukashenko....in Belarus.
BTW Lukashenko had racked up supplies to Russia very seriously and it is awful for Ukraine.

 

[Rational Poster]

Selling weapons is one thing, sailing warships along the coast of China and through the Taiwan straights is provocation.

You may argue that it’s “international waters”, but If the Chinese sent warships around Hawaii or along the coast of California … it would be seen as highly provocative, perhaps even an act of war.

Not that we have to worry about that. Chinese navy is shit and only a handful of vessels actually have the ability to even travel more than 1000km from their coast.

 

[Rational Poster]

You have a smooth brain if you think the Chinese send a fleet of battleships around Hawaii and the US military say “hey, it’s still international waters, bro” …

Fleet of battleships lmao.

You really are just making shit up as you go.

 

[MTT]

You have a smooth brain if you think the Chinese send a fleet of battleships around Hawaii and the US military say “hey, it’s still international waters, bro” …

It happens i.e. Alaska. The Russian and Chinese navies pass within miles of the US coast to do training exercises. Alaska not hawaii/ca? Not a fleet of battleships? So no act of war? Your position is strange.

 

[SandisLL]

Not that we have to worry about that. Chinese navy is shit and only a handful of vessels actually have the ability to even travel more than 1000km from their coast.

China is continuing to subjugate their vassal in Russia....

Why they needs to fight for example for Havaii when there is Siberia with damn huge natural resources?

In order to subjugate Russia they needs to prevent foreign investments in Russia and with this war started this goal already is achieved. BTW not cos sanctions but cos fear what stuff with your investments will do Hitler and Co.

Next mission: to reduce manpower in Siberia.
This special operation is done smoothly because Hitler prefers to hire workforce for special operation in ....remote areas, also in Siberia.


Next special operation: to reduce Russia's foreign assets and to accumulate more gold, silver, platinum etc incl lithium, copper etc and foreign assets actives: China is doing this.....special operation is successful.

Special operation called renewables bubble too is going as had been planned: China boosted up solar panels, accumulators, invertors, wind turbines equipment sales.....worldwide ....


Special operation is going as planned....

 

[Hog-train]

Selling weapons is one thing, sailing warships along the coast of China and through the Taiwan straights is provocation.

You may argue that it’s “international waters”, but If the Chinese sent warships around Hawaii or along the coast of California … it would be seen as highly provocative, perhaps even an act of war.

The only reason the US is doing that is because China keeps doing it to everyone else in the area with their bullshit nine-dash line.

 

[AWilder]

Lmao, Russian combined arms....

 

[Scerpi]

What in the holy f….

Ukraine grenade incident: Councillor tosses explosives into meeting​

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67729343
A deputy village councillor in western Ukraine has thrown grenades on to the floor of a council meeting wounding 26 people, police say.

The attack took place on Friday morning at the village council headquarters in Keretsky in the western Zakarpattia region.

Police have not yet commented on a possible motive for the attack, which has left six seriously wounded.

The meeting was being livestreamed on Facebook when it took place.

Footage shows the man entering the room during a heated discussion about 90 minutes into the meeting.

He then stands next to a door for around 30 seconds before tossing three grenades into the middle of the room.

"As a result, 26 people were wounded, six of whom are in a grave condition," the police statement said, adding that medics were trying to resuscitate the man who threw the grenades.

Video - Not graphic, but disturbing

Spoiler

No motive reported as of yet… But why?

 

[SandisLL]

What in the holy f….

Ukraine grenade incident: Councillor tosses explosives into meeting​

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67729343
A deputy village councillor in western Ukraine has thrown grenades on to the floor of a council meeting wounding 26 people, police say.

The attack took place on Friday morning at the village council headquarters in Keretsky in the western Zakarpattia region.

Police have not yet commented on a possible motive for the attack, which has left six seriously wounded.

The meeting was being livestreamed on Facebook when it took place.

Footage shows the man entering the room during a heated discussion about 90 minutes into the meeting.

He then stands next to a door for around 30 seconds before tossing three grenades into the middle of the room.

"As a result, 26 people were wounded, six of whom are in a grave condition," the police statement said, adding that medics were trying to resuscitate the man who threw the grenades.

Video - Not graphic, but disturbing

Spoiler

No motive reported as of yet… But why?

Maybe was drunk and angry.