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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

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This sums it up for Republicans:

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Putin loyalists in Moscow celebrated when Republicans voted to block Ukraine aid last week.

The host of one Kremlin-run show literally said: “Well done, Republicans!"

Folks, if you’re being celebrated by Russian propagandists, it might be time to rethink what you’re doing."
The republicans are putting US issues before foreign countries issues and that’s the right thing to do.

For idiots saying once Russia is done with Ukraine, it will attack NATO countries, this is such a horse shit scare mongering statement. Russia has no real need nor the capacity to take over western Ukraine let alone NATO countries.
 
Ukraine's ability to stay competitive is dependent on America sending weaponry. Americans are starting to not care, Israel is the new thing.

This is on all of Europe, both East and West, for not taking their militaries seriously.
Shitty trumpers don't care.
 
The republicans are putting US issues before foreign countries issues and that’s the right thing to do.

For idiots saying once Russia is done with Ukraine, it will attack NATO countries, this is such a horse shit scare mongering statement. Russia has no real need nor the capacity to take over western Ukraine let alone NATO countries.
Lol
 
To the final point that’s where I am curious if it’s depreciated costs or not.

I obviously know we didn’t just send them 75 billion in cash. Also much of the aide is not in loan form
It's kind of like asking how much does it cost to fly an f-35 for an hour. Do you count training hours, room, board, salary for every single person in the logistics train to R&D, prototype, serialize production, accept it for mil usage, etc. etc. there's a zillion ways to make the calculation. Right wing dorks are trying to include as much as that supply chain in the calculation and pass it off as suitcases full of cash being handed to zelenksy. That's why it's not an easy to answer question.
 
It's kind of like asking how much does it cost to fly an f-35 for an hour. Do you count training hours, room, board, salary for every single person in the logistics train to R&D, prototype, serialize production, accept it for mil usage, etc. etc. there's a zillion ways to make the calculation. Right wing dorks are trying to include as much as that supply chain in the calculation and pass it off as suitcases full of cash being handed to zelenksy. That's why it's not an easy to answer question.
Obviously.

It doesn’t mean that the way in which it’s calculated should be non- transparent.
 
Shitty trumpers don't care.
You don't really care either, you just believe it gives you some sort of moral high ground to pretend you do. No one other than a complete sociopath could look around and say our money couldn't be spent better here then fighting a proxy war with Russia.
If conservatives were pro war suddenly, you'd be on the opposite side of the argument, thats just who you are.
 
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Dismayed by Moscow's war, Russian volunteers are joining Ukrainian ranks​

The Siberian Battalion is unique in many ways
By VASILISA STEPANENKO Associated Press
December 14, 2023, 3:05 AM


KYIV, Ukraine -- When Russia’s invasion of Ukraine ignited into war, back in Moscow, a young Russian who now goes by the name of Karabas was plunged into despair. Shocked by images of what was happening to Ukrainians in Russian-occupied areas, he decided to act — against Russia, his home and country.

Karabas said he knew that what he was doing was drastic. He packed his bags and decided to find a way to get to Ukraine to join the ranks of Kyiv’s troops fighting Russian forces.

It took him almost a year to make it happen.

Today, he is part of the Siberian Battalion, a unit made up of Russians who have joined Ukrainian military ranks to fight against their homeland, hoping someday to help oust Russian President Vladimir Putin. Its members hail mostly from ethnic minorities from Russia’s far east.

“I was disillusioned with my own people," recounted Karabas, who like other fighters in the battalion spoke to The Associated Press on condition that only his military call sign be used.


"That is why I wanted to come here ... and fight for a free Ukraine,” he added.

When Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022, Karabas said he was dismayed by how most Russians he knew either blindly supported Putin or were indifferent to the war.

Sometimes, Karabas said his grief felt so overwhelming, he would break down and cry.

Unlike other volunteer units in Ukraine that have Russian nationals — such as the Freedom of Russia Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps — the Siberian Battalion is officially part of the regular Ukrainian army.

Its fighters undergo lengthy security checks, which sometimes take up to a year, before they are trained and deployed to the front lines in eastern Ukraine, which has seen some of the most ferocious fighting of the war and where Ukrainian and Russian forces are locked in a grinding battle for control.

Karabas went to Armenia first. There, he sought out Ukrainian friends and learned the language, which he now speaks fluently, refusing to utter a word in his native Russian.

On Wednesday, at a training exercise outside Ukraine's capital of Kyiv, over a dozen Russians from the battalion fired their machine guns during a firing practice, sprinkling cartridges all over the snow blanketing the ground.

Fighters in the battalion from eastern Siberia hope a Ukrainian victory will bring them one step closer to dismantling Moscow's political control over their region, among the poorest in Russia. Those from the area's Yakut and Buryat ethnic communities complain of racism and oppression in Russia, which has driven some activist calls for independence.

Another Russian fighter, who goes by the call sign Holod, openly says he wants Putin's administration removed from power.

"When this happens, we can talk about victory,” he said. “Russia will at least cease to be a source of sudden aggression.”


Russians like Karabas left their entire lives, including families and friends, behind. They first had to escape to a third country before they could travel on to Ukraine but they say they had no other choice.

Integration into the Ukrainian forces was a lengthy process, they said — their documents were scrutinized, and if they passed this step, they were questioned at length upon arrival in Ukraine.

The battalion, which numbers a few dozen, was created six months ago. Ukrainian military leaders are hopeful more will come to join its ranks and based on applications that have come in so far, they are aiming to have a 300-man-strong battalion of Russian fighters.

Some from the battalion have already been deployed near Avdiivka, a Ukraine-controlled city in the Donetsk region, which Putin's forces have long tried to overrun.

Karabas says “there must be tens, hundreds of thousands of” other Russians like him, willing to fight with Ukraine.

“I think we should have a lot more (Russian fighters)," he said.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-volunteers-joining-ukrainian-ranks-105648729

- A russian baby-face turning is awesome. Gotta love those guys!

 
You don't really care either, you just believe it gives you some sort of moral high ground to pretend you do. No one other than a complete sociopath could look around and say our money couldn't be spent better here then fighting a proxy war with Russia.
If conservatives were pro war suddenly, you'd be on the opposite side of the argument, thats just who you are.

It's really cute for you to say this while conservatives also support literally zero social spending and want to cut what already exists.
 
It's really cute for you to say this while conservatives also support literally zero social spending and want to cut what already exists.
But we should spend it on Ukraine instead, is whet you're saying. A tad hypocritical, no?
 
But we should spend it on Ukraine instead, is whet you're saying. A tad hypocritical, no?

No, we're wealthy enough to do both especially when you consider the overwhelming majority of the aid is just giving Ukraine weapons that are just collecting dust in a warehouse.

It's not binary. Giving weapons to Ukraine isn't going to prevent us from carrying out domestic policies.

The reality is conservatives want to do neither and use both as an excuse to do nothing and then do even less.
 
Can’t wait for EU to accept Ukraine and Moldova, then I’m assuming we will witness Spanxit, Franxit etc

Imagine accepting countries poor as fuck and more corrupt than Russia that they’re “opposing”. And that’s when Poland, Slovakia, Hungary are blocking Ukrainian goods from their markets :D

EU are officially cuckolds.

Personally I think Russia, China, India should be celebrating, that’s the end of Europe as we know it.
More corrupt than Russia? Damn I guess the propaganda machine really works over there
 
You don't really care either, you just believe it gives you some sort of moral high ground to pretend you do. No one other than a complete sociopath could look around and say our money couldn't be spent better here then fighting a proxy war with Russia.
If conservatives were pro war suddenly, you'd be on the opposite side of the argument, thats just who you are.

Completely agree. All those Bradley Fighting Vehicles and HIMARS missile launchers we had in storage should definitely be used at home instead of overseas.
 
No, we're wealthy enough to do both especially when you consider the overwhelming majority of the aid is just giving Ukraine weapons that are just collecting dust in a warehouse.

It's not binary. Giving weapons to Ukraine isn't going to prevent us from carrying out domestic policies.

The reality is conservatives want to do neither and use both as an excuse to do nothing and then do even less.
I agree mostly. We can do both. We just don't.
 
You don't really care either, you just believe it gives you some sort of moral high ground to pretend you do. No one other than a complete sociopath could look around and say our money couldn't be spent better here then fighting a proxy war with Russia.
If conservatives were pro war suddenly, you'd be on the opposite side of the argument, thats just who you are.
GOP: "That money could be spent better here."
Everyone else: "Ok, here are some things we should spend money on."
GOP: *blocks all attempts at useful legislation*
Everyone else: "But you said we should spend that money here."
GOP: "I said it could be spent better here, not that it should be spent here."
 
(because conservatives in congress have had a policy of government obstruction for the past 30 years)
Its not the Trump admin sending 100's of billions to Ukraine while people are freezing on the streets. Admit none of us have any high ground on this and perhaps we could agree.
For me, I'd like to help the people first and zing the opposition later. You?
 
GOP: "That money could be spent better here."
Everyone else: "Ok, here are some things we should spend money on."
GOP: *blocks all attempts at useful legislation*
Everyone else: "But you said we should spend that money here."
GOP: "I said it could be spent better here, not that it should be spent here."
Why does liberal Utopia California have such a homeless issue if its all the GOP?
 
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