International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14

[curryjunkie]

<45> <Lmaoo><45>

what a crock of shit

 

[SandisLL]

It's OK, my friend - so, instead of Latvian citizens in need, money will go to greedy politicians to buy more western real estates and feel their pockets even more.

There is also another thing why Putin is wrong to bully some countries.
For example Lithuania had sent to Ukr 36 anti aircraft autocannons, Latvia after Arestantoweich visit decided to sent 0 while might had sent the same ammount easily.
They aren't Kurds No2 ( west should forget to dream ) nor also dumb like some ppl about Kremlin's Realpolitik and western Realpolitik. Not told in open manner.... propaganda is for workforce....and electorate ...
Therefore 0 autocannons for Ukr, banks and mortgage sold to western friends, asiats and Russians etc and instead stuff in other countries purchased if possible....

 

[method115]

This fear mongering shit is getting out of control. It’s the same idiots that said Russia planned to take Kiev in 3 days. Yes, the same Russia with 190k military against 450k Ukrainians was about to take Kiev, a 3 million city, in 3 days. Good lord.

Putin’s initial plan was to encircle Kiev, get Zelensky to sign the neutrality docs and forfeit Crimea and then leave without even taking the 3 new regions Russia is now annexing.
And then Russia and Ukraine HAD the agreement and Russia pulled the forces back from Kiev, but Boris Johnson told Zelensky “look, these cowards are retrieting, let’s keep fighting and take Crimea” and here we are now.

Russia has no intention nor the capacity to attack NATO members, people need to understand it

It amazes me how many people seem to know exactly what Russia's plan was. Before this whole thing started I remember people were accusing the US of scare mongering people and saying Russia wasn't going to invade. Even Ukraine was basically telling us to STFU. Then everyone said Ukraine would be done in a week or so. Now this guy knows the whole Russian plan from start to finish.

 

[Denter]

It amazes me how many people seem to know exactly what Russia's plan was. Before this whole thing started I remember people were accusing the US of scare mongering people and saying Russia wasn't going to invade. Even Ukraine was basically telling us to STFU. Then everyone said Ukraine would be done in a week or so. Now this guy knows the whole Russian plan from start to finish.

I think the reality is that there probably was no real plan, except to scare political concessions out of Kiev quickly and go home. After that did not work I think Russia has been improvising basically, and a lot of the chaos is because there wasn't much of a plan.

 

[ViD]

Wow. It’s not often you see cope like this <45>

I really wonder if you believe the shit you write. I feel like you don’t. I feel like you just can’t admit to Russian defeats. Let me be the first to tell you then, they got their ass The hooped trying to get to Kyiv.

Once again, by every military book the attacking party must have at least a 3 to 1 ratio in manpower, Russia was outnumbered 2 to 1, that’s all you need to know

 

[PEB]

This is wild.

 

[Cole train]

Once again, by every military book the attacking party must have at least a 3 to 1 ratio in manpower, Russia was outnumbered 2 to 1, that’s all you need to know

Eh thats really if tactical situation is similar, plenty of battles where outnumbered one won, bahmut being latest likely example with wagner (likely because theres no official number and i just base info on what i gathered)

Original invasion was just incompetence by higher ups in command or more accurately failure to adress electronic warfare

 

[Rod1]

Once again, by every military book the attacking party must have at least a 3 to 1 ratio in manpower, Russia was outnumbered 2 to 1, that’s all you need to know

US was outnumbered during Iraq war and it still pushed the shit out of Saddam.

But the US is an actual superpower so.

 

[grimballer]

wasn't paying too much attention to what's happening in ukraine, so i want to get input from all the geopolitical and military geniuses in here

whats the deal? are kiev comedian troops fully in charge now and closing in on moscow? is putin gonna get ousted soon?

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

<45> <Lmaoo><45>

WTF has happened to Tucker? he was always over the top but now he's an unhinged Putin shill.

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

wasn't paying too much attention to what's happening in ukraine, so i want to get input from all the geopolitical and military geniuses in here

whats the deal? are kiev comedian troops fully in charge now and closing in on moscow? is putin gonna get ousted soon?

Of course not , Russia is about to make UKR surrender because that's what the people really want anyhow.

 

[Rod1]

WTF has happened to Tucker? he was always over the top but now he's an unhinged Putin shill.

Now? the guy literall said "I want Russia to win" the guy is either a Putin cocksucker or a paid shill or both.

 

[grimballer]

US was outnumbered during Iraq war and it still pushed the shit out of Saddam.

But the US is an actual superpower so.

what a dumb comparison...

1st iraqi mostly dry terrain and and warm climate made the invasion much easier to pull off

2nd iraq was under sanctions since 1st golf war and was getting no help from outside,

3rd majority of iraqis are shia muslims (around 70%), while saddam is/was sunni (30%).

4th americans were actually in a coalition

5th iraq was also dealing with kurds in the north

 

[grimballer]

WTF has happened to Tucker? he was always over the top but now he's an unhinged Putin shill.

maybe hes just tried of neocons creating conflicts all over the world, but then sell it to the naive american public as "pro democracy" initiative.

 

[grimballer]

Now? the guy literall said "I want Russia to win" the guy is either a Putin cocksucker or a paid shill or both.

oh on! he doesn't share msm and biden administration view on this conflict?

arrest him!

 

[Rod1]

what a dumb comparison...

1st iraqi mostly dry terrain and and warm climate made the invasion much easier to pull off

2nd iraq was under sanctions since 1st golf war and was getting no help from outside,

3rd majority of iraqis are shia muslims (around 70%), while saddam is/was sunni (30%).

4th americans were actually in a coalition

5th iraq was also dealing with kurds in the north

Gee its almost as if a random ass ratio like 3-1 had absolutely no importance and it all depended on context.

 

[Rod1]

maybe hes just tried of neocons creating conflicts all over the world, but then sell it to the naive american public as "pro democracy" initiative.

Right, neocons invaded Ukraine...

 

[grimballer]

Right, neocons invaded Ukraine...

is this supposed to be a clever response?

how about their involvement in 2014 coup that got democratically elected president removed or their continuous support of anti russian neo nazis in the east?

 

[grimballer]

Gee its almost as if a random ass ratio like 3-1 had absolutely no importance and it all depended on context.

and yet you ignored the context and tried to pass it as simply:

"us good, russia sucks!"

but its not like its 1st time you act like a dishonest hack and when you get called out for it you go:

"qué? a mí? no señor! no habla ingles"

 

[Rod1]

and yet you ignored the context and tried to pass it as simply:

"us good, russia sucks!"

but its not like its 1st time you act like a dishonest hack and when you get called out for it you go:

"qué? a mí? no señor! no habla ingles"

Are you high or something?

If some "rule" depends on context then such a rule is useless because reality on the ground is different in every single conflict, there is no such thing as a 3 to 1 rule, it always depends on context.


Also the whole "Russians weren't serious so they didn't send as many troops" is even more retarded because Russia couldn't properly supply 200k troops, we saw a 40 mile long convoy of Russians who ran out of gas, tractors were stealing Russian tanks because they ran out of gas.


But somehow having 400k troops would had been much better? If anything having LESS troops would had been more advantageous because it would had permitted Russia to actually get to Hostomel in time to reinforce the bridgehead they wanted to build.


Russia would had won if it had not run out of gas, that's not something you would fix with more soldiers it would actually make shit worse, instead of a 40 mile convoy you would have an 80 mile convoy.