International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V14
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If about Europe Ukr government I think had lost when did fatal mistake.
Politicians are with ethics for public announcements and Realpolitik is done without words.
Despite all talks by Russian propaganda about poor Europe collapsing ( they are paying well for such propaganda since autumn 2008 th ) and empty warehouses. ....
Eurozone is huge financial empire.....not a world hegemon but still 3 Rd largest financial empire in world.
When Ukraine had told that Europe should pay for reconstruction after war ....next day ECB had refused to " print money " for Ukraine.....
Because IMHO taxpayers ( electorate ) might agree to support some country in order to repel invasion, while not likely will be willing to fund oligarchs construction businesses in some village somewhere.....
Otherwise some additional bill 60+ b EUR IMHO they had get and then. .....
Politicians are with ethics for public announcements and Realpolitik is done without words.
Despite all talks by Russian propaganda about poor Europe collapsing ( they are paying well for such propaganda since autumn 2008 th ) and empty warehouses. ....
Eurozone is huge financial empire.....not a world hegemon but still 3 Rd largest financial empire in world.
When Ukraine had told that Europe should pay for reconstruction after war ....next day ECB had refused to " print money " for Ukraine.....
Because IMHO taxpayers ( electorate ) might agree to support some country in order to repel invasion, while not likely will be willing to fund oligarchs construction businesses in some village somewhere.....
Otherwise some additional bill 60+ b EUR IMHO they had get and then. .....
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This is a pointless argument as you are not based on reality. Russia, China, Iran, North Korea are currently allied against the west in the Ukrainian conflict. Russia has not minced words in their overt nuclear threats against basically anyone since the beginning. For that alone you and Russia can eat a bag of dicks.
BRICS goal is to topple the dollar and us power. Russia is an enemy as the European countries quickly learned from Russia's blackmail using fossil fuels. They should not make that mistake again.
Gerhard and Angela are funny
story.While actual bill for this war is paid by real money from European taxpayers pockets .....with actual money I mean real money transfers not old weapons etc sent to Ukr.
German Realpolitik since 1990 ies was;
1. To talk
nice talks.2. Real job done; A. better to purchase cheap salt from Ukraine or Belarus rather than to pay salary for German local lads .....
B. German local coal is bad for climate and salaries local coal miners are asking for .....too high, therefore better to import electricity = IF coal is burned in other country then climate will not suffer.
C. Russian natural gas is
good, local drilling permits= bad for climate.D. Nuclear power plants in Germany are bad thing while to purchase electricity generated in other countries by using coal and nuclear power plants = good.
Gerhard even get high post in Rosneftj and had official ties with Gazprom. Angela just continued this trend, additionally seriously increased benefits for immigrants....
If about " empty 
" warehouses I will post one funny thing.
During Cold War era recommended ammunition for 1 main battle tank for wartime stocks was at least 1000 " shells ".
So if Germany had 3000 main battle tanks, they should have at least 3m " shells " for tanks from Cold War era stockpile.
" warehouses I will post one funny thing.During Cold War era recommended ammunition for 1 main battle tank for wartime stocks was at least 1000 " shells ".
So if Germany had 3000 main battle tanks, they should have at least 3m " shells " for tanks from Cold War era stockpile.
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There big problem for US guys is to get Realpolitik Europe does.....
In order not to make voters mad they doesn't report all expenses and assistance as total sum but instead are using multiple batch with different instruments and are reporting stuff peace by peace on monthly basis and are separating reports from each source , looks that in order for voters not to see total picture and numbers....
Also governments assistance is reported separately from centralized EU funding .....
Donations done by individual citizens and charities aren't reported as EU or EU countries assistance.....
More than this, it is difficult to tell cost of used items, tools etc donated by charities and individual citizens.
For example the same Germany: in 2022 th average Joes in Germany had donated from their personal pockets Ukraine at least 850 000 000 EUR as money transfers ( according to Ukr central bank )....Value of donated by average Joes civilian items etc is assessed as approx 1,5-5 b EUR ....
In order not to make voters mad they doesn't report all expenses and assistance as total sum but instead are using multiple batch with different instruments and are reporting stuff peace by peace on monthly basis and are separating reports from each source , looks that in order for voters not to see total picture and numbers....
Also governments assistance is reported separately from centralized EU funding .....
Donations done by individual citizens and charities aren't reported as EU or EU countries assistance.....
More than this, it is difficult to tell cost of used items, tools etc donated by charities and individual citizens.
For example the same Germany: in 2022 th average Joes in Germany had donated from their personal pockets Ukraine at least 850 000 000 EUR as money transfers ( according to Ukr central bank )....Value of donated by average Joes civilian items etc is assessed as approx 1,5-5 b EUR ....
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Dont know know anything about trump or us politics but hes not wrong in that statement in my opinion
Less help from US would force countries west of poland/baltics/fin to actually start taking military seriously again and reverse demilitarization process that has occured.
Basically brute force solution to a problem or be left with massive security issue.Buut usa umbrella works fine currently for nato countries so who knows.
Was thinking more Europe centric lol
Less help from US would force countries west of poland/baltics/fin to actually start taking military seriously again and reverse demilitarization process that has occured.
Basically brute force solution to a problem or be left with massive security issue.Buut usa umbrella works fine currently for nato countries so who knows.
Was thinking more Europe centric lol
Decision making process in Europe is very slow.
For example 12 months discussions and decision making process to launch 1 small 35 mm ammo production line. While when after these 12 months company get papers signed ....they after 6 months had launched production line.
So potential might be enough underrated.
Also I suspect that some European countries yet even didn't had inspected their Cold War era stockpiles.....unfortunately for Ukraine....
Ofc countries with borders vs Russia, Ukr or Belarus can't afford to deplete their stockpiles ....while countries located in western Europe might afford to do this.
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NATO has they topped the US in military aid the last 3 months I believe? Only Italy has fallen short vs the 2 percent total and Poland has blown right past to nearly 5 percent.
EU 80 billion
US 72 billion
You have to factor EU as one and countries are much lower because they are smaller then the US. EU will continue to push for billions but that will not be enough as Putin war machine is financed with Billions from oil some say 3-5 billion a day. Putler does not care about the meat wall as long as it achieves what he wants getting Trump in office.
I don't trust Council of Foreign Relations numbers because I believe EU has given even more.
How much aid the U.S. has sent to Ukraine, in 6 charts
Six graphics illustrate the extraordinary level of support the United States has provided Ukraine in its war against Russian invaders.
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So did Obama, and Bush, and Clinton, and Bush.
US Presidents cajoling the EU into adhering to their NATO obligations isn't something special Trump did.
(In fact Obama secured an agreement to get them to adhere to the standard within 10 years during his second term https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ion-address/nato-allies-spending-has-gone-up/)
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Can check EU military spending here GDP wise here, lithuania at 2.5 dam
Overall though theres basically been collapse in spending since 1960 for EU zone overall
Overall though theres basically been collapse in spending since 1960 for EU zone overall
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Obama, bush and Clinton weren't specifically mentioned in the post I quoted. Trump was, ergo mentioning Trump.
But seriously Nato, get your shit together. Looking at you Canada.
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Was saying this over a year and a half in these threads. That the longer this goes on, Ukraine will lose support, run out of troops faster than Russia, and that Putin dig in and reinforces the East, he will look to take more than just the east. Of course, each time, I was told I am a Putin bot and there is no way Putin would even be alive by this time, and Ukraine would have won by now.
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edit: the little post snippet in the preview is not my posts by the way lol, but the links are to my posts. Those threads are crazy to look back on in retrospect. IMO, Zelensky should have reached peace back then, giving up the East. Then do what he ordered them to do last week, which is no dig in themselves with their own trenches and defense line, to prevent Putin from pushing further West, as they may try and do now. Just then, they would have had tens of thousand more troops alive, and all those arms and ammo we sent over.
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Nothing you posted has been a surprise to anyone paying attention. Most pro west have been surprised at Ukraine's resolve and disappointed at the the lack of committed support.Was saying this over a year and a half in these threads. That the longer this goes on, Ukraine will lose support, run out of troops faster than Russia, and that Putin dig in and reinforces the East, he will look to take more than just the east. Of course, each time, I was told I am a Putin bot and there is no way Putin would even be alive by this time, and Ukraine would have won by now.
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Last time I checked US soldiers were discussing pronouns and it will be soon introduced in Europe as well so not sure what 'toughness' you are refering to Russian forces have suffered more loses in one week than the US has suffered in 30 years fighting a non-stop insurgency in multiple...
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Racism. Soon they will be rounding up all Russian and Russian Americans like when FDR sent FDR's stormtroopers to round up Japanese Americans and throw them in concentration camps. Not racism
edit: the little post snippet in the preview is not my posts by the way lol, but the links are to my posts. Those threads are crazy to look back on in retrospect. IMO, Zelensky should have reached peace back then, giving up the East. Then do what he ordered them to do last week, which is no dig in themselves with their own trenches and defense line, to prevent Putin from pushing further West, as they may try and do now. Just then, they would have had tens of thousand more troops alive, and all those arms and ammo we sent over.
What is common sense and logical is that any peace deal with Putin is meaningless...it seems that Ukrainian was always between capitulation and war. With any luck Ukrainian support will turn around and they can keep up the fight as long as they feel the need to.
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